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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    edited September 2018
    Lincsaddick said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    I see Rory Burns is playing for Surrey today, I would have liked to see him playing for England this week in place of Jennings

    Now that the series is won, I suspect the team will be unchanged as a 'well done and thanks' gesture .. when really this should be the time to experiment
    Vaughan suggested on the radio bringing in Burns at 3 for Rashid, who's barely bowled all series. A bit weird to have matches starting today and overlapping the first day of the Test, as that means any called up players will have to exit half way through a match!
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Lincsaddick said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    I see Rory Burns is playing for Surrey today, I would have liked to see him playing for England this week in place of Jennings

    Now that the series is won, I suspect the team will be unchanged as a 'well done and thanks' gesture .. when really this should be the time to experiment
    as I suspected .. wrong move ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45408539
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,308
    If they give Jennings enough chances he'll scratch a fifty at some point, probably on the road that is The Oval, and we'll have learnt nothing
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,734
    If we're planning to take Denly and Burns to Sri Lanka, then get them in for this Test.

    Jennings has got to go.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Lincsaddick said:

    Lincsaddick said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    I see Rory Burns is playing for Surrey today, I would have liked to see him playing for England this week in place of Jennings

    Now that the series is won, I suspect the team will be unchanged as a 'well done and thanks' gesture .. when really this should be the time to experiment
    as I suspected .. wrong move ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45408539
    Vince released but Pope to join after 2 days of the current Surrey match!

    I wonder if Mooen will bat at 3. In Sri Lanka that might be his position
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,298
    Due to Cook's retirement, I think Jennings will keep his place in the squad for the winter
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:

    Due to Cook's retirement, I think Jennings will keep his place in the squad for the winter

    If they weren't taking Jennings to Sri Lanka he wouldn't be playing this week. He's on the plane. He has a good reputation against spin bowling which has helped him.
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    I think Woakes will come in for Rashid
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,598
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    If we're planning to take Denly and Burns to Sri Lanka, then get them in for this Test.

    Jennings has got to go.

    My thoughts excatly - especislly as the match is at The Oval.....Burns' home ground ffs !! But no.....lets all applaud nice Mr Cook & let Burns' first match be on a dust bowl in Sri Lanka !! Well played selectors !!
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Looking at the County Championship scores, I see 22 wickets fell at Taunton and 18 at Canterbury, wickets like those do not help England to produce test match batsmen
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,925
    golfaddick said:



    Addickted2TheReds said:

    If we're planning to take Denly and Burns to Sri Lanka, then get them in for this Test.

    Jennings has got to go.

    My thoughts excatly - especislly as the match is at The Oval.....Burns' home ground ffs !! But no.....lets all applaud nice Mr Cook & let Burns' first match be on a dust bowl in Sri Lanka !! Well played selectors !!
    I'm OK with Cook playing but Jennings should have been dropped for Burns.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Looking at the County Championship scores, I see 22 wickets fell at Taunton and 18 at Canterbury, wickets like those do not help England to produce test match batsmen

    If you can make runs there, you can make them anywhere.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,734
    North Lower Neil said:

    golfaddick said:



    Addickted2TheReds said:

    If we're planning to take Denly and Burns to Sri Lanka, then get them in for this Test.

    Jennings has got to go.

    My thoughts excatly - especislly as the match is at The Oval.....Burns' home ground ffs !! But no.....lets all applaud nice Mr Cook & let Burns' first match be on a dust bowl in Sri Lanka !! Well played selectors !!
    I'm OK with Cook playing but Jennings should have been dropped for Burns.
    100%
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Cafc43v3r said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Looking at the County Championship scores, I see 22 wickets fell at Taunton and 18 at Canterbury, wickets like those do not help England to produce test match batsmen

    If you can make runs there, you can make them anywhere.
    It's up to you, New Road, Neeeeewww Roooaaadddd
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Looking at the County Championship scores, I see 22 wickets fell at Taunton and 18 at Canterbury, wickets like those do not help England to produce test match batsmen

    Rob key has said as much on Twitter this evening. Very critical of Canterbury.

    It's also the reason our bowlers struggle abroad as it's better to be medium pace and get a but if movement on these pitches than to be genuinely quick.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    cantersaddick said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Looking at the County Championship scores, I see 22 wickets fell at Taunton and 18 at Canterbury, wickets like those do not help England to produce test match batsmen

    Rob key has said as much on Twitter this evening. Very critical of Canterbury.

    It's also the reason our bowlers struggle abroad as it's better to be medium pace and get a but if movement on these pitches than to be genuinely quick.
    Well Taunton was a complete bunsen, though it's the same issue with too many "result" pitches

    But then the CC points system encourages this. A sporty pitch that helps your bowling attack gives you a better chance of getting the 16 points for a win (albeit at the expense of getting batting points)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Looking at some of the lancs wickets it was sod all to do with the pitch
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Just thought of another one Test wonder!

    Essex opener John Stephenson played in the final match of the 1989 Ashes debacle.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,894
    I 'll see you with a tony pigott
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    lolwray said:

    I 'll see you with a tony pigott

    I'll raise you with Alan Wells
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  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    Johnnysummers5 said:

    lolwray said:

    I 'll see you with a tony pigott

    I'll raise you with Alan Wells
    Allan Wells! Of course, how did I not get him!!!????
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,598
    Ormiston Addick said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    lolwray said:

    I 'll see you with a tony pigott

    I'll raise you with Alan Wells
    Allan Wells! Of course, how did I not get him!!!????
    I suppose if Usan Bolt can play football a scottish sprinter can play cricket
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Mark Benson is another one of the vast number of England one Test wonders...
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,894
    did the left pace bowler form gloucs only play 1 test ?

    think it was Smith
  • Ormiston_Addick
    Ormiston_Addick Posts: 8,810
    lolwray said:

    did the left pace bowler form gloucs only play 1 test ?

    think it was Smith

    Yep.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45332379

    BBC quiz, name the 25 Test players used in the last year. I got a disappointing 21
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    regarding the 'bowler friendly' pitches .. the county championship had become so moribund and boring with so many draws that a change was needed, not to the laws/points system but to playing conditions. With bowler friendly conditions, positive results are very likely and have become much more common.
    The decline in the form and ability of batsmen is not confined to England. Pitches aimed at positive results in all forms of the game have led to a totally different mindset and technical awareness of batsman worldwide. The pendulum has partly swung from it being a 'batsman's game' to a better balance twixt bat and ball
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    killerandflash said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45332379

    BBC quiz, name the 25 Test players used in the last year. I got a disappointing 21

    You managed to name 21 disappointing players? Good job - that's nearly all of them.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,903
    killerandflash said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45332379

    BBC quiz, name the 25 Test players used in the last year. I got a disappointing 21

    I missed Westly Ball and Overton.

    All very forgettable to be fair.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    I see in the slightly farcical tie in Taunton, Leach picked up 12 wickets, while Maharaj the saffer spnner picked up 11.

    Not sure what that says about whether Leach should play for England or not, but it does show he can exploit helpful conditions which will be crucial on turning pitches this winter. Weirdly Bess only bowled 4 overs in the match for no wickets

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