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England Cricket - Summer of 2018

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  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,734
    Buttler should have been dropped IMO.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Buttler should have been dropped IMO.

    This
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    I think it is well out of order, to drop Sam Curran, man of the match to games ago, last match he's partnership with Woakes, helped us to get a big lead, in my opinion we should have kept the same team
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,927
    Unless Curran has a bit of a knock, it's the wrong choice and sends the wrong message - hardly a meritocracy dropping Curran and not Buttler.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,309
    That's absurd
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Johnnysummers5 said:

    I think it is well out of order, to drop Sam Curran, man of the match to games ago, last match he's partnership with Woakes, helped us to get a big lead, in my opinion we should have kept the same team

    Very harsh on him

    I wonder if they'll try to dress it up "we're managing his workload" etc
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,599
    Great message.........play well, train hard, do your stuff on the pitch....nah, we'll drop you for someone he gets pissed up & likes a scrap.

  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,905
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Erm, not quite sure how to say this... they've dropped Sam Curran.

    Joke decision
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Buttler should have been dropped IMO.

    Team should be unchanged IMO
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,905
    Ben18 said:

    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Buttler should have been dropped IMO.

    Team should be unchanged IMO
    I'm with this one. Winning side has done well. The 2 players Stokes is competing with have put in MOTM performances in the last 2 games. You might rest broad or Anderson but not at tent bridge given their records there and they haven't even bowled thay many overs this series. Stokes form with the bat has been poor for about 6 months so I wouldn't consider him ahead of any of them.

    Left arm variation is key too. As long as he is fit and his form doesn't drop I would always play Sam for the left arm option.

    Sends entirely the wrong message to Sam.
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  • Southendaddick
    Southendaddick Posts: 5,312
    ECB are running scared

    I wouldn’t have changed the team at all but very very harsh on Curran who won us the first test

    Pope or Butler should have made way instead, Pope would have been the easier call as plenty of time on his side
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,894
    i think stokes should have sat this out ..very sorry for curran ..

    be interesting to see who will get more wickets and runs over the longterm in test cricket
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    edited August 2018
    Batting average/bowling average
    Curran 36.75/23.50
    Stokes 34.28/32.97
    Flintoff 31.77/32.78
    Botham 33.54/28.40

    Sam Curran doesn't deserve to be dropped. He averages 13 more with the bat than the ball in Tests, whereas Stokes is less than +2. I have included Flintoff's and Botham's career averages by comparison. Sam Curran, so far, isn't just an exceptional prospect - he already compares well against some of England's greatest-ever al-rounders.

    Wrong decision in my view. I hope the selectors have made it very clear to Stokes that he has to perform if he wants to keep his place.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    lolwray said:

    i think stokes should have sat this out ..very sorry for curran ..

    be interesting to see who will get more wickets and runs over the longterm in test cricket

    I think Curran will make more runs, and Stokes will take more wickets. I can't imagine Curran's bowling being that effective in Australia or Asia
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Sam Curran, has come into test cricket this summer and done very well, I think he should have played in all 5 tests, Stokes should have to wait he's turn, it is he's own fault he missed the last match and we never missed him as Chris Woakes came in and played so well.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Sam Curran, has come into test cricket this summer and done very well, I think he should have played in all 5 tests, Stokes should have to wait he's turn, it is he's own fault he missed the last match and we never missed him as Chris Woakes came in and played so well.

    Not really Stokes' fault, he was found not guilty. But Buttler should definitely have been the one to go, Stokes at 6, Woakes at 7, Curran 8 and Rashid 9 is a more than good enough batting line up.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,298
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    Erm, not quite sure how to say this... they've dropped Sam Curran.

    That's outrageous!!
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    very unfair on Curran .. mind you, Stokes was the main man in the first test
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    cafcfan1990 said:

    Johnnysummers5 said:

    Sam Curran, has come into test cricket this summer and done very well, I think he should have played in all 5 tests, Stokes should have to wait he's turn, it is he's own fault he missed the last match and we never missed him as Chris Woakes came in and played so well.

    Not really Stokes' fault, he was found not guilty. But Buttler should definitely have been the one to go, Stokes at 6, Woakes at 7, Curran 8 and Rashid 9 is a more than good enough batting line up.
    I think Jos Buttler should have the gloves and move Bairstow, to 4 with Pope at 5, Buttler played well against Pakistan and I don't think we need to drop anyone, we have just crushed India, so no need to make changes
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Hard decision but can't see it's the right one. Curran has performed well and the variation of a left armer shouldn't be underestimated. Poor decision imho.
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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Only justified if Sam Curran is carrying a knock or, at just 20, struggling with the physical and mental demands being made of him.

    In any other circumstance either Buttler or Rashid should have made way (Trent Bridge is not a spinners' paradise and Root can chip in if needed) or Stokes himself sat it out.
  • greenwichred68
    greenwichred68 Posts: 277
    I cant believe Sam Curran has been dropped.Great little player and offers something different to what we've got bowling wise.I would of dropped Buttler.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Cant see what the big problem is tbh. Stokes is obviously currently the better player, and Sams chance will come again very soon, and he'll be playing for England for best part of 2 decades.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,659
    Dropping a Surrey player can never be justified. :wink:
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,818
    blackpool72 said:

    Dropping a Surrey player can never be justified. :wink:

    Even at 2nd slip?
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,345
    edited August 2018
    Looking on the bright side of course, if it all comes on top after the match the ginger Rocky will be handy to have around...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,816
    Rishabh Pant makes his debut for India. He replaces Karthik behind the stumps, who's batting has been pants this series...

  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    The thing with Curran being drop, I agree it's harsh but feel it is correct.

    If you left out rashid or butter one of the 3 all rounders would bat at 9 and one would not bowl many overs. It's highly likely that Anderson, Broad plus 2 will bowl them out. Also possible that no 9 won't bat. 5 seamers at trent Bridge in this weather is pointless.

    No one not Sam, Tom, Mr and Mrs Curran, grandma Curran or Great aunt flo would argue that Sam is CURRENTLY better than either Woakes or Stokes.

    Harsh but fair and hope that it was done in as positive fashion as possible.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,956
    But we'd be on a slippery slope with butter.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    We win the toss and invite India to bat, or try to at least.

    32-6 at lunch?

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