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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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More chance of knitting fog!The Red Robin said:Right then, let's draw a line under grown men squabbling and move on shall we.
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Would be a major set back for the Aussie bid if this is the case.Henry Irving said:
Bite size thread suggest Keith Harris might have been one.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Is it not possible that the two conditions were that person a & b drop out or lose their interest in other clubs?PragueAddick said:
So unless anyone can show they have an inside track to the EFL, or can quote someone who clearly has that link, we can declare the "two Aussie investors barred by EFL test" story to be entirely without foundation. Good.Addickted said:
I believe it is.PragueAddick said:
Well? Anybody? This particular story is a load of bollocks. Isn't it?Addickted said:
Has this been confirmed by anybody?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So why else would The EFL knock them back, I wonder?bobmunro said:
Precisely.JamesSeed said:
These guys use lawyers so they’d know anyway.bobmunro said:
That is what I do not get.The Red Robin said:I find it astounding anyone in the Aussie consortium believed they'd get away with that if true / or didn't realise that rule existed.
If they thought they would get away with it, or didn't have the nouse (or seek advice) as to what the EFL fit and proper tests involved then I'm not sure they are any better than the chuckle brothers.
I believe neither is the case - it might be that the two investors had second thoughts but I cannot believe it was for having a significant interest in another English club.
It would appear that it's gone from the EFL are satisfied with the applicants of the fit and proper person test, with 'two qualifications', to the EFL have rejected two people from the consortium because they are linked with other Clubs.
Love to know who actually made that link and if they have, where did they get it from.
There's more smoke and mirrors in this takeover than a Paul McKenna show.
Personally, I have no idea and am just guessing, but unless we know what those actual conditions were, we are only left to guess, those rumours had to have started somewhere and those saying it have a pretty good track record so far.
He was a major driver in this and pretty much heading it up. I know that for a fact.2 -
Suppose we repented
Repented what ?
Oh.... We wouldn't have to go into the details.0 -
But would the EFL care about any of those things?Henry Irving said:
More than one reason.Stu_of_Kunming said:
But I don't know Addickted, nor have I talked with him privately. That doesn't mean Addickted is lying, I don't think for a second he is, but by hi own admission, his contact at the EFL is not involved in the F & P Person test.PragueAddick said:
Well can you help by identifying who these people were. Only@Addickted to my knowledge has been able to show that he has a solid source. I trust him, not least because he is not an ITK type, and Having talked with him privately I have full confidence in his info. He is categoric on this matter. So unless anyone else can come forward to authoritatively provide sourced material to the contrary, I recommend we go with Addickted information and ignore the rumour. Which of course is perjorative to the Aussie bid.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Is it not possible that the two conditions were that person a & b drop out or lose their interest in other clubs?PragueAddick said:
So unless anyone can show they have an inside track to the EFL, or can quote someone who clearly has that link, we can declare the "two Aussie investors barred by EFL test" story to be entirely without foundation. Good.Addickted said:
I believe it is.PragueAddick said:
Well? Anybody? This particular story is a load of bollocks. Isn't it?Addickted said:
Has this been confirmed by anybody?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So why else would The EFL knock them back, I wonder?bobmunro said:
Precisely.JamesSeed said:
These guys use lawyers so they’d know anyway.bobmunro said:
That is what I do not get.The Red Robin said:I find it astounding anyone in the Aussie consortium believed they'd get away with that if true / or didn't realise that rule existed.
If they thought they would get away with it, or didn't have the nouse (or seek advice) as to what the EFL fit and proper tests involved then I'm not sure they are any better than the chuckle brothers.
I believe neither is the case - it might be that the two investors had second thoughts but I cannot believe it was for having a significant interest in another English club.
It would appear that it's gone from the EFL are satisfied with the applicants of the fit and proper person test, with 'two qualifications', to the EFL have rejected two people from the consortium because they are linked with other Clubs.
Love to know who actually made that link and if they have, where did they get it from.
There's more smoke and mirrors in this takeover than a Paul McKenna show.
Personally, I have no idea and am just guessing, but unless we know what those actual conditions were, we are only left to guess, those rumours had to have started somewhere and those saying it have a pretty good track record so far.
Someone I do know and have talked to privately believes, from his contacts, that the bid failed for the exact reason of ownership of other clubs.
The problem is so many people are getting info from so many different places, some of it genuine, some it total lies, so of it spin, that it becomes very, very difficult for anyone to know WTF is actually going on. So no, I don't think we can say the story is without foundation/a load of bollocks, it may turn out to be untrue, of course, but for now, all we know is the bid was knocked back / delayed for a reason and only one reason has been put out.
Lack of funds is one.
Aussies not willing to pay RD valuation another.
Aussies low balling /guzundering RD at the face to face meeting is another.
RD delaying yet again as he thinks the other party, if they even exist, will pay more is yet another.
I've heard all of them from different people.
Not that that makes them any more or less valid but they are all possible reasons for the delay.
Me? I'll believe it when it's on the official site0 -
so my take on the whole shit thing todate:
Facts (actual ones):
1) The club is for sale
2) There is a prospective buyer.
Hearsay,maybes,speculation(NOT FACTS)
1)The buyer is an Aussie consortium.
2)The EFL have reviewed the above.
3)The EFL had queries on two of the above.
4)The EFL REJECTED two of the above.
5)The Aussies dont have the dosh
6)The Aussies do have the dosh
7) Another prospective buyer walked away a month ago
8) There is another buyer prospective buyer hiding behind a sofa
9)RD is buying out the former Directors "friendly" debt
10) RD isnt doing the above
11) RD will hold onto the fixed assets of the club
12) The Aussies are in agreement with this
13)The Aussies are not in agreement of this
14) The club would be sold when we knew what Division we were in
15)The club would be sold after the EFL had reviewed
16)The deadline was a month ago, then a week ago,then last Thursday,Yesterday, Friday.
fed up with the whole bollox to be honest.
Hopeful news--speculation--hearsay--fake news--propaganda ??? No fecking idea anymore
one huge fact of course is RD and Burger Boy are still here
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On being born ?Pico said:Suppose we repented
Repented what ?
Oh.... We wouldn't have to go into the details.1 -
Not to mention the fact that he (or his legal representatives) would absolutely know that it was against the rules and would never be accepted by the EFL.PragueAddick said:I should add that the names bandied around re this alleged disbarred of two individuals are absolutely comical. Why on earth would Usmanvov want a small stake in a random 3rd division club? Come on people,this is bubble thinking.
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PragueAddick said:
I should add that the names bandied around re this alleged disbarred of two individuals are absolutely comical. Why on earth would Usmanvov want a small stake in a random 3rd division club? Come on people,this is bubble thinking.
Comical, or a fact? It's impossible for us to know, but only one of you can be right.carly burn said:
Would be a major set back for the Aussie bid if this is the case.Henry Irving said:
Bite size thread suggest Keith Harris might have been one.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Is it not possible that the two conditions were that person a & b drop out or lose their interest in other clubs?PragueAddick said:
So unless anyone can show they have an inside track to the EFL, or can quote someone who clearly has that link, we can declare the "two Aussie investors barred by EFL test" story to be entirely without foundation. Good.Addickted said:
I believe it is.PragueAddick said:
Well? Anybody? This particular story is a load of bollocks. Isn't it?Addickted said:
Has this been confirmed by anybody?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So why else would The EFL knock them back, I wonder?bobmunro said:
Precisely.JamesSeed said:
These guys use lawyers so they’d know anyway.bobmunro said:
That is what I do not get.The Red Robin said:I find it astounding anyone in the Aussie consortium believed they'd get away with that if true / or didn't realise that rule existed.
If they thought they would get away with it, or didn't have the nouse (or seek advice) as to what the EFL fit and proper tests involved then I'm not sure they are any better than the chuckle brothers.
I believe neither is the case - it might be that the two investors had second thoughts but I cannot believe it was for having a significant interest in another English club.
It would appear that it's gone from the EFL are satisfied with the applicants of the fit and proper person test, with 'two qualifications', to the EFL have rejected two people from the consortium because they are linked with other Clubs.
Love to know who actually made that link and if they have, where did they get it from.
There's more smoke and mirrors in this takeover than a Paul McKenna show.
Personally, I have no idea and am just guessing, but unless we know what those actual conditions were, we are only left to guess, those rumours had to have started somewhere and those saying it have a pretty good track record so far.
He was a major driver in this and pretty much heading it up. I know that for a fact.
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I am going for comical, I cannot see Usmanvov being anywhere near this deal.3
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The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
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I'm talking about Keith Harris.eaststandmike said:I am going for comical, I cannot see Usmanvov being anywhere near this deal.
I know nothing about Usmanov.0 -
No, but they are all possible reasons for a delay.Stu_of_Kunming said:
But would the EFL care about any of those things?Henry Irving said:
More than one reason.Stu_of_Kunming said:
But I don't know Addickted, nor have I talked with him privately. That doesn't mean Addickted is lying, I don't think for a second he is, but by hi own admission, his contact at the EFL is not involved in the F & P Person test.PragueAddick said:
Well can you help by identifying who these people were. Only@Addickted to my knowledge has been able to show that he has a solid source. I trust him, not least because he is not an ITK type, and Having talked with him privately I have full confidence in his info. He is categoric on this matter. So unless anyone else can come forward to authoritatively provide sourced material to the contrary, I recommend we go with Addickted information and ignore the rumour. Which of course is perjorative to the Aussie bid.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Is it not possible that the two conditions were that person a & b drop out or lose their interest in other clubs?PragueAddick said:
So unless anyone can show they have an inside track to the EFL, or can quote someone who clearly has that link, we can declare the "two Aussie investors barred by EFL test" story to be entirely without foundation. Good.Addickted said:
I believe it is.PragueAddick said:
Well? Anybody? This particular story is a load of bollocks. Isn't it?Addickted said:
Has this been confirmed by anybody?Stu_of_Kunming said:
So why else would The EFL knock them back, I wonder?bobmunro said:
Precisely.JamesSeed said:
These guys use lawyers so they’d know anyway.bobmunro said:
That is what I do not get.The Red Robin said:I find it astounding anyone in the Aussie consortium believed they'd get away with that if true / or didn't realise that rule existed.
If they thought they would get away with it, or didn't have the nouse (or seek advice) as to what the EFL fit and proper tests involved then I'm not sure they are any better than the chuckle brothers.
I believe neither is the case - it might be that the two investors had second thoughts but I cannot believe it was for having a significant interest in another English club.
It would appear that it's gone from the EFL are satisfied with the applicants of the fit and proper person test, with 'two qualifications', to the EFL have rejected two people from the consortium because they are linked with other Clubs.
Love to know who actually made that link and if they have, where did they get it from.
There's more smoke and mirrors in this takeover than a Paul McKenna show.
Personally, I have no idea and am just guessing, but unless we know what those actual conditions were, we are only left to guess, those rumours had to have started somewhere and those saying it have a pretty good track record so far.
Someone I do know and have talked to privately believes, from his contacts, that the bid failed for the exact reason of ownership of other clubs.
The problem is so many people are getting info from so many different places, some of it genuine, some it total lies, so of it spin, that it becomes very, very difficult for anyone to know WTF is actually going on. So no, I don't think we can say the story is without foundation/a load of bollocks, it may turn out to be untrue, of course, but for now, all we know is the bid was knocked back / delayed for a reason and only one reason has been put out.
Lack of funds is one.
Aussies not willing to pay RD valuation another.
Aussies low balling /guzundering RD at the face to face meeting is another.
RD delaying yet again as he thinks the other party, if they even exist, will pay more is yet another.
I've heard all of them from different people.
Not that that makes them any more or less valid but they are all possible reasons for the delay.
Me? I'll believe it when it's on the official site
And we don't know for sure that the EFL have blocked it. @Addickted says not and while I wouldn't trust him with my wallet or my wife I don't think he's lying. Maybe his source is wrong or its got distortrd in the retelling but that goes for every rumoury, especially mine.2 -
One of the thieves was saved. It's a reasonable percentage0
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A great summary. It should be pasted onto the Bite Sized thread.Goonerhater said:so my take on the whole shit thing todate:
Facts (actual ones):
1) The club is for sale
2) There is a prospective buyer.
Hearsay,maybes,speculation(NOT FACTS)
1)The buyer is an Aussie consortium.
2)The EFL have reviewed the above.
3)The EFL had queries on two of the above.
4)The EFL REJECTED two of the above.
5)The Aussies dont have the dosh
6)The Aussies do have the dosh
7) Another prospective buyer walked away a month ago
8) There is another buyer prospective buyer hiding behind a sofa
9)RD is buying out the former Directors "friendly" debt
10) RD isnt doing the above
11) RD will hold onto the fixed assets of the club
12) The Aussies are in agreement with this
13)The Aussies are not in agreement of this
14) The club would be sold when we knew what Division we were in
15)The club would be sold after the EFL had reviewed
16)The deadline was a month ago, then a week ago,then last Thursday,Yesterday, Friday.
fed up with the whole bollox to be honest.
Hopeful news--speculation--hearsay--fake news--propaganda ??? No fecking idea anymore
one huge fact of course is RD and Burger Boy are still here0 -
Mr Godot told me to tell you he won't come this evening but surely tomorrow2
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??Pico said:One of the thieves was saved. It's a reasonable percentage
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Beckettsoapboxsam said:Mr Godot told me to tell you he won't come this evening but surely tomorrow
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Dazzler21 said:
The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
Bowyer does have a budget. Yes Taylor would have to be signed off but at present the departures of Konsa, Kashi and Lennon plus the wages of the loans are being saved and that money is what Bowyer has to play with. At present he’s in credit. I’m not saying that he will have all that wages money available but even RD is not stupid enough to think you can let 9 players leave and not replace at least some.
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I suppose Taylor can be signed as it's a free and in theory RD won't be here to pay his contract.0
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Pontius Pilate offered the mob the chance to reprieve on of the three man awaiting crucifixion.LargeAddick said:
They called for Barabbas, rather than Jesus, so he was saved.
Now, if you've read Holy Blood and Holy Grail.....0 -
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Frees aren't really free though. Bigger signing on fee, agent fee and assume some other nominal admin costs. There must be some budget available to keep things ticking over until the takeover is decided one way or another. I certainly can't imagine there is a budget to match Bowyer's ambitions though.The Red Robin said:I suppose Taylor can be signed as it's a free and in theory RD won't be here to pay his contract.
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Life Of HenryHenry Irving said:
Pontius Pilate offered the mob the chance to reprieve on of the three man awaiting crucifixion.LargeAddick said:
They called for Barabbas, rather than Jesus, so he was saved.
Now, if you've read Holy Blood and Holy Grail.....0 -
Remember this is the same man that:ShootersHillGuru said:Dazzler21 said:
The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
Bowyer does have a budget. Yes Taylor would have to be signed off but at present the departures of Konsa, Kashi and Lennon plus the wages of the loans are being saved and that money is what Bowyer has to play with. At present he’s in credit. I’m not saying that he will have all that wages money available but even RD is not stupid enough to think you can let 9 players leave and not replace at least some.
- thought Polish Pete and Reza were adequate replacements for Yann
- appointed Katrien Meire
- paid Roger Johnson's wages on 2 separate occasions
- thinks {...} is part of the English Language
- made a teenager/early 20's man child Charlton's 'chief scout'/ head of the network scouting team
- Paid money for Bergdich
- thought Charlton fans wanted the club to fail because we protested about HE was running the club
have i missed anything?
Regardless, the man has history with Stupid decisions14 -
Pissed money up the wall. He’s spent good money but mostly on dross.cafcwill said:
Remember this is the same man that:ShootersHillGuru said:Dazzler21 said:
The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
Bowyer does have a budget. Yes Taylor would have to be signed off but at present the departures of Konsa, Kashi and Lennon plus the wages of the loans are being saved and that money is what Bowyer has to play with. At present he’s in credit. I’m not saying that he will have all that wages money available but even RD is not stupid enough to think you can let 9 players leave and not replace at least some.
- thought Polish Pete and Reza were adequate replacements for Yann
- appointed Katrien Meire
- paid Roger Johnson's wages on 2 separate occasions
- thinks {...} is part of the English Language
- made a teenager/early 20's man child Charlton's 'chief scout'/ head of the network scouting team
- Paid money for Bergdich
- thought Charlton fans wanted the club to fail because we protested about HE was running the club
have i missed anything?
Regardless, the man has history with Stupid decisions
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I bet it will be about my sandwich....irudd123 said:1 -
The ladies team. TFS is a Twitter bot and copies anything and everything Charlton related.irudd123 said:0 -
New signing i'd imagine?irudd123 said:0 -
I'd bet money that he doesn't even know who Johnson and Bergdich arecafcwill said:
Remember this is the same man that:ShootersHillGuru said:Dazzler21 said:
The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
Bowyer does have a budget. Yes Taylor would have to be signed off but at present the departures of Konsa, Kashi and Lennon plus the wages of the loans are being saved and that money is what Bowyer has to play with. At present he’s in credit. I’m not saying that he will have all that wages money available but even RD is not stupid enough to think you can let 9 players leave and not replace at least some.
- thought Polish Pete and Reza were adequate replacements for Yann
- appointed Katrien Meire
- paid Roger Johnson's wages on 2 separate occasions
- thinks {...} is part of the English Language
- made a teenager/early 20's man child Charlton's 'chief scout'/ head of the network scouting team
- Paid money for Bergdich
- thought Charlton fans wanted the club to fail because we protested about HE was running the club
have i missed anything?
Regardless, the man has history with Stupid decisions1 -
For the first time in my life i'm slightly envious of RDChris_from_Sidcup said:
I'd bet money that he doesn't even know who Johnson and Bergdich arecafcwill said:
Remember this is the same man that:ShootersHillGuru said:Dazzler21 said:
The club are off to Portugal for a training camp - Something happened to earn that sign off.soapboxsam said:Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes, it's awful.
Lyle Taylor has come in - Someone authorised his purchase.
Harry Lennon and several others have gone out - Someone authorised his sale
I can't help but hope that these moves are being orchestrated by someone intending to buy the club...
I don't care who you are
Where you're from
What you did
As long as you buy CAFC
Bowyer does have a budget. Yes Taylor would have to be signed off but at present the departures of Konsa, Kashi and Lennon plus the wages of the loans are being saved and that money is what Bowyer has to play with. At present he’s in credit. I’m not saying that he will have all that wages money available but even RD is not stupid enough to think you can let 9 players leave and not replace at least some.
- thought Polish Pete and Reza were adequate replacements for Yann
- appointed Katrien Meire
- paid Roger Johnson's wages on 2 separate occasions
- thinks {...} is part of the English Language
- made a teenager/early 20's man child Charlton's 'chief scout'/ head of the network scouting team
- Paid money for Bergdich
- thought Charlton fans wanted the club to fail because we protested about HE was running the club
have i missed anything?
Regardless, the man has history with Stupid decisions11
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