The Diane Abbott Thread
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I’d rather run my bollocks over a cactus than vote for any of these bellends, but one thing I do notice on twitter etc is when someone dishes out a bit of stick to someone like Diane Abbott, the immediate response from that party’s supporters is to immediately look for criticism at an opposing party member, instead of saying ya know what, she does chat utter dogshit. Tories are the same. Do people have that blind an allegiance to a party?
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It's fairly obvious she gets a fair amount of racist abuse online but that aside whatever colour she is she seems pretty inept.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
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I was going to put '(not you specifically)' after the bit I've highlighted in my post in the chain above.JoshrewCAFC said:
But where did I advocate that she deserves it? Since when did surprised and deserve mean the same thing?Big_Bad_World said:
I don't think racism is anywhere near as nice as being horrible. It's repugnant in all its forms and anyone and everyone should be allowed to be more than surprised if they are the victims of it, and that's regardless of any vile views they hold themselves (something that I and @Leuth may disagree on?).JoshrewCAFC said:
Maybe I didn't phrase it well. But what I mean is you cannot be surprised if you do something horrible and someone does it back.Big_Bad_World said:
I hope the highlighted bits are what you wanted to say.JoshrewCAFC said:
It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.SELR_addicks said:Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.
No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.
its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.
A racist is no more deserving of racial abuse than anyone else. You slide in to their gutter otherwise and are no better than them.
In both cases they are horrible things, and two wrongs don't make a right, but you cannot be surprised if it comes straight back at you.
I never claimed she deserved it coming back, but I said she cannot be surprised that it does.
It's a slippery slope that leads to the idiots amongst us thinking that they're just fighting fire with fire when, in fact, you're backhandedly advocating it.
Also my use of the word horrible doesn't define how strongly I think racism is awful, disgusting, abhorrent, etc. Again trying to suggest my stance on the issue from something I haven't actually said.
It was a collective 'you're'. Sorry for the confusion.1 -
@Big_Bad_World I think we both pretty much believe the same thing here, so I really don't want to argue about it.
I'll give a different and random example to emphasise what I meant for the last time:
In the upcoming 2nd leg of Liverpool vs Roma, I personally wouldn't be 'surprised' to see Liverpool fans hospitalise a Roma fan.
Would the Roma fan or any Roma fan deserve it? No
Would either the Liverpool fan or Roma fan deserve it any more or less than the other? No
Both events would be equally as awful and disgusting, and would warrant the same punishment, etc.
Never did I say or even suggest that Diane Abbott deserves to be racially abused any more or less than somebody else (because nobody deserves its under any condition).0 -
Yeah, if you criticise Labour, you must be a Tory and if you criticise Abbott, you must like Boris. Even though you weren't the one who brought him into the convo
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his pic is of the main man jezza and im mentioning jezza and felatioWheresmeticket? said:
Eh?palarsehater said:
calm yourself down @soapy_jonespalarsehater said:
of course @Wheresmeticket? is keeping his/her/non-binary street cred up of just lol anything i post that doesnt condone performing felatio on jezzapalarsehater said:the woman is a complete doughnut and anyone that disagrees with me is aswell, labour, conservative, monster raving loony, bnp you must agree that how the hell this woman is a politician. not only has she not got a clue but shes quite openly racist and appears to have a chip on her shoulder about something.
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I don't like either of them.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Yeah, if you criticise Labour, you must be a Tory and if you criticise Abbott, you must like Boris. Even though you weren't the one who brought him into the convo
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hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.1 -
Entirely my pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I don't like either of them.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Yeah, if you criticise Labour, you must be a Tory and if you criticise Abbott, you must like Boris. Even though you weren't the one who brought him into the convo
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Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
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As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.2 -
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.1 -
That rules out a lot of posters on here.iainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.
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I felt you were trivializing the abuse against her - that's the way it came across. If that's not what you intended then I apologise.palarsehater said:
As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
I'm sure we both feel strongly that racist abuse of MPs is unacceptable.0 -
MEOWWWWWWiainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.6 -
Excuse me, but racist abuse of ANYONE is completely disgusting.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I felt you were trivializing the abuse against her - that's the way it came across. If that's not what you intended then I apologise.palarsehater said:
As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
I'm sure we both feel strongly that racist abuse of MPs is unacceptable.
I do hope you aren't suggesting that racism towards non-MPs is okay!
Edit: Before anyone gets upset, I'm trying to highlight we can all try and see things that people haven't actually said.0 -
I trust you'll be saying the same to @PragueAddick and others of his school of thought who live abroad too.iainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.
Or is it just those you disagree with who have given up their right to an input?3 -
Racist abuse of anyone, including MPs, is disgusting. I hope that's clear enough.JoshrewCAFC said:
Excuse me, but racist abuse of ANYONE is completely disgusting.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I felt you were trivializing the abuse against her - that's the way it came across. If that's not what you intended then I apologise.palarsehater said:
As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
I'm sure we both feel strongly that racist abuse of MPs is unacceptable.
I do hope you aren't suggesting that racism towards non-MPs is okay!0 -
When I lived in Ireland I refrained from commenting on British politics. I wasn't in a position to know what was going on except at a distanceblackpool72 said:
That rules out a lot of posters on here.iainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.
Silly comment
And I think that is a good position to have. That's all.
I know I'll be called out for my intention to protest against Trump but he actually threatens world peace so I can live with that.4 -
See my edit to my comment, this was just a joke, of course I knew what you meanthoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Racist abuse of anyone, including MPs, is disgusting. I hope that's clear enough.JoshrewCAFC said:
Excuse me, but racist abuse of ANYONE is completely disgusting.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I felt you were trivializing the abuse against her - that's the way it came across. If that's not what you intended then I apologise.palarsehater said:
As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
I'm sure we both feel strongly that racist abuse of MPs is unacceptable.
I do hope you aren't suggesting that racism towards non-MPs is okay!
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PWR. I'm fairly ambivalent about most politicians. There's a few I like, a few I dislike.
But Diane Abbot has a special place in my life.
I hate her with every fibre of my body. She's a political incompetent who's remained in her role because she let Corbyn shag her years ago
She is a total hypocrite who holds racist views.
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I knew it was a joke but just in case....JoshrewCAFC said:
See my edit to my comment, this was just a joke, of course I knew what you meanthoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Racist abuse of anyone, including MPs, is disgusting. I hope that's clear enough.JoshrewCAFC said:
Excuse me, but racist abuse of ANYONE is completely disgusting.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I felt you were trivializing the abuse against her - that's the way it came across. If that's not what you intended then I apologise.palarsehater said:
As far as I’m aware no body on here has said it’s okay.... so don’t really get your pointhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whether you like her or not she's been singled out for a massive amount of racist abuse online. Racist abuse is not the way forward and there is no excuse for it.palarsehater said:
hardly singled out there have been many mock ups of theresa may jacking fellas off under the table, cameron putting his old boy in a pig.rananegra said:OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.
And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.
I'm sure we both feel strongly that racist abuse of MPs is unacceptable.
I do hope you aren't suggesting that racism towards non-MPs is okay!
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For some people mentioning Diane Abbott is a dog whistle.
And guess what? It is on here too.2 -
This has gone ten times better than I could've imagined.13
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Are you seriously suggesting that all the posters on here who live abroad should refrain from giving an opinion on what is happening over here.iainment said:
When I lived in Ireland I refrained from commenting on British politics. I wasn't in a position to know what was going on except at a distanceblackpool72 said:
That rules out a lot of posters on here.iainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.
Silly comment
And I think that is a good position to have. That's all.
I know I'll be called out for my intention to protest against Trump but he actually threatens world peace so I can live with that.1 -
So why is Thornberry and a couple of others being mentioned, Sherlock?iainment said:For some people mentioning Diane Abbott is a dog whistle.
And guess what? It is on here too.0 -
Anyone would think there's an election in a couple of days0
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PWR
She’s a horrible racist cunt. She’s also fat.7 -
So reading British news. Watching British TV. Speaking regularly with my many British friends and Family. Still having a right to vote in UK elections. All of those things are irrelevant to my ability to comment on British politics because I choose to live in Canada.iainment said:
When I lived in Ireland I refrained from commenting on British politics. I wasn't in a position to know what was going on except at a distanceblackpool72 said:
That rules out a lot of posters on here.iainment said:
Says he from France. Hardly someone fit enough to comment on Britain.i_b_b_o_r_g said:So we got Abbott and Thornberry, then there's the shadow Chancellor, who still displays a “H-Block Martyrs” plaque in his office. Hardly someone fit enough to be 2nd in charge of the British government is it?
You gave up your right to an input when you emigrated.
Silly comment
And I think that is a good position to have. That's all.
I know I'll be called out for my intention to protest against Trump but he actually threatens world peace so I can live with that.
Righto.4 -
Nice turn of phrase. You're wasted on here!cafcdave123 said:PWR
She’s a horrible racist cunt. She’s also fat.3
