The Diane Abbott Thread

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Abbott "Mao did more good than harm"

You'd have more fun with some of BoJo's quotes!

The difference, as I see it, is that everybody (including himself I reckon) know's he is a bumbling buffoon.

How comes he had two terms as mayor of London? Abbott campaigned to be Labour's representative and failed.

As bumbling as Boris is, maybe he's not seen as as much of a liar and a hypocrit as Abbott is

Probably not but he's still a massive idiot that should be nowhere near occupying the job he does.

Big_Bad_World said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Abbott "Mao did more good than harm"

You'd have more fun with some of BoJo's quotes!

The difference, as I see it, is that everybody (including himself I reckon) know's he is a bumbling buffoon.

How comes he had two terms as mayor of London? Abbott campaigned to be Labour's representative and failed.

As bumbling as Boris is, maybe he's not seen as as much of a liar and a hypocrit as Abbott is

Probably not but he's still a massive idiot that should be nowhere near occupying the job he does.

I see him as the biggest liar and hypocrite in politics!!!!!!! There are no shortage of Tories who will tell you so either.

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

Obviously its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

Obviously its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Carry on folks - very entertaining stuff

The PQ she asked about a non-existing state that I posted above was a classic. These are almost as good.

When she was asked about the recommendations in a report on improving London’s terror preparedness, she could not name one of the recommendations, of which there were 127.

Or listen to her interview here - https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-diane-abbotts-police-policy-gaffes-show-chaos-that-would-ensue-under-corbyn-a3528856.html - about the cost of employing more police officers.

And this women could potentially be our Home Secretary? God help us.

Maybe after 10 pints.

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

Obviously its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

I'm pretty certain that all of Chizz, Leuth or SD Addick's heads have just exploded where ever they are. I'm going to check the South Eastern thread for delays.

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

Obviously its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

Speaks volumes when a group of people 'cant help' being racist and instead choose to blame the victim.

Big_Bad_World said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

I hope the highlighted bits are what you wanted to say.

A racist is no more deserving of racial abuse than anyone else. You slide in to their gutter otherwise and are no better than them.

Maybe I didn't phrase it well. But what I mean is you cannot be surprised if you do something horrible and someone does it back.

In both cases they are horrible things, and two wrongs don't make a right, but you cannot be surprised if it comes straight back at you.

I never claimed she deserved it coming back, but I said she cannot be surprised that it does.

SELR_addicks said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

Obviously its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

Speaks volumes when a group of people 'cant help' being racist and instead choose to blame the victim.

I never claimed they can't help being racist back. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Big_Bad_World said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

I hope the highlighted bits are what you wanted to say.

A racist is no more deserving of racial abuse than anyone else. You slide in to their gutter otherwise and are no better than them.

Best keeping out of the gutter - it can be very dirty!

happyvalley said:

Maybe after 10 pints.

Still a no from me .
After 10 pints I couldn't raise a smile.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Abbott "Mao did more good than harm"

You'd have more fun with some of BoJo's quotes!

The difference, as I see it, is that everybody (including himself I reckon) know's he is a bumbling buffoon.

How comes he had two terms as mayor of London? Abbott campaigned to be Labour's representative and failed.

As bumbling as Boris is, maybe he's not seen as as much of a liar and a hypocrit as Abbott is

Boris is a model of honesty and integrity.

See that's not what I said was it?

I was answering the question as to how Boris was elected to be Mayor of London, twice, when Abbott failed to even represent her party, suggesting that maybe he isn't seen as so much of a liar and hypocrite by Londoners, that ain't to say he ain't though.

I'm not quite sure why people think that one has to be one or the other

Big_Bad_World said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

Big_Bad_World said:

JoshrewCAFC said:

SELR_addicks said:

Never understood the obsession with her that some people in the public have.

No more useless than a Michael Gove/Jeremy Hunt, yet the amount of racist comments and death threats she gets online is mind-blowing.

It really is a shame when someone racist receives racist comments isn't it.

its never excusable, but what goes around comes around, she and her supporters surely can't expect any different.

I hope the highlighted bits are what you wanted to say.

A racist is no more deserving of racial abuse than anyone else. You slide in to their gutter otherwise and are no better than them.

Maybe I didn't phrase it well. But what I mean is you cannot be surprised if you do something horrible and someone does it back.

In both cases they are horrible things, and two wrongs don't make a right, but you cannot be surprised if it comes straight back at you.

I never claimed she deserved it coming back, but I said she cannot be surprised that it does.

I don't think racism is anywhere near as nice as being horrible. It's repugnant in all its forms and anyone and everyone should be allowed to be more than surprised if they are the victims of it, and that's regardless of any vile views they hold themselves (something that I and @Leuth may disagree on?).

It's a slippery slope that leads to the idiots amongst us thinking that they're just fighting fire with fire when, in fact, you're backhandedly advocating it.

But where did I advocate that she deserves it? Since when did surprised and deserve mean the same thing?

Also my use of the word horrible doesn't define how strongly I think racism is awful, disgusting, abhorrent, etc. Again trying to suggest my stance on the issue from something I haven't actually said.

OK, first off, I'm no fan of her; I think she's a massive hypocrite on loads of levels. But I do wonder why she, of all politicians, gets singled out. (Well I don't, it's obvious).
When there was the scandal at the last election about the amount of hate-mail, online and through the post, that candidates got because some nasty left wingers had targeted some Tories; the subsequent investigation found that 45% of all abusive tweets to female MPs went to Diane Abbot. Let that sink in - she alone got more abuse than all the Tories and nearly all the other Labour/SNP/LibDems put together.
She's clearly motivated by principle, even if she fails to live up to them at times, she gets held to a far higher standard than any male or white politician. I wonder why. (Again, I don't really).
She's actually been right about Windrush. And somehow she's the problem, not Rudd, or May, or the people who wanted us to be an intolerant country.

And as for her being a racist - of course black people can be racist, but there's a difference between being prejudiced and being in a position to act on those prejudices. People making racist comments online or in an interview is not nice, but is a degree of difference from a government going out of their way to deny a group of people who happen to be mainly black their rights. She may well be in a position to do that in the future, but at the moment it's quite clear who is in a position to act on their prejudices and it isn't her.