Karl Robinson (Ed. Page 79 - GONE- Mutual Consent)
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But if true, then that's as good reason as any to sack a manager.ElfsborgAddick said:Of the lot I preferred Bob Peeters.
I don't think he would have got the tin tack if it was not for the supposed problems at the training ground.
And not surprisingly, in the end he couldn't buy a win at any cost.
Why? Because he'd lost the dressing room.
Peeters had to go.
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Yes sorry, I'm assuming he will resign to take the job at Oxford.ShootersHillGuru said:
Why do you think that. Surely if that was the case compensation would never be paid ? A manager would just resign and change jobs ?Redvaliant said:I took it as the Oxford job, I wouldn't think compo would be payable in such circumstances.
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He had a weak squad that couldn't cope with loss of form and injuries. Not saying he was blameless but when you are not winning it does cause tensions!2
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He had a weak squad that couldn't cope with loss of form and injuries. Not saying he was blameless but when you are not winning it does cause tensions!0
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On the other hand I guess in such circumstances Oxford would have to pay Roly compensation!Redvaliant said:
Yes sorry, I'm assuming he will resign to take the job at Oxford.ShootersHillGuru said:
Why do you think that. Surely if that was the case compensation would never be paid ? A manager would just resign and change jobs ?Redvaliant said:I took it as the Oxford job, I wouldn't think compo would be payable in such circumstances.
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I would imagine that, if and when he goes, his reputation won't have suffered too much as most of the wider football world will just think "with that owner he had no chance" rather than realising that Robinson was actually making a bad situation worse through his own ineptitude.1
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Karl's biggest weakness is that he insists a player must fit his rigid system.
But he doesn't have enough of those players.
Surely the essence of a good manager is to devise a system that gets the best out of the players you have.
And to get each player to play to his strengths.
That way you create a team "greater than the sum of its parts".
All the great managers work this way.
Why don't you, Karl?
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It will be two ways, he’ll eitherse9addick said:I would imagine that, if and when he goes, his reputation won't have suffered too much as most of the wider football world will just think "with that owner he had no chance" rather than realising that Robinson was actually making a bad situation worse through his own ineptitude.
1. go big on how difficult he had it and what a great job him and his stuff did to make the club normal again (even though it was actually Slade that did that), or
2. he’ll say nothing as part of his early release from his contract with no compensation will be for him to keep his trap shut, imo
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Didn't know that.MuttleyCAFC said:I think what did for Peeters was he started blaming the people who run the club!
"He's got no hair but we don't care"0 -
To be honest, the great managers earn the power to buy the best players to fit their preferred system. But in League One you have to look at your strengths and weaknesses as you highlight. One of our weaknesses is we don't have a team full of goalscorers - so we sell a goalscorer in Holmes! That wasn't Robinson's fault and it highlights that there is a greater issue here than him. But you do have to play with the hand you are dealt and try to find a way - and we do have some decent players - whether they are showing that now or not!Oggy Red said:Karl's biggest weakness is that he insists a player must fit his rigid system.
But he doesn't have enough of those players.
Surely the essence of a good manager is to devise a system that gets the best out of the players you have.
And to get each player to play to his strengths.
That way you create a team "greater than the sum of its parts".
All the great managers work this way.
Why don't you, Karl?3 - Sponsored links:
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There isn't a contract on earth that could keep Robinson's mouth shut!AFKABartram said:
It will be two ways, he’ll eitherse9addick said:I would imagine that, if and when he goes, his reputation won't have suffered too much as most of the wider football world will just think "with that owner he had no chance" rather than realising that Robinson was actually making a bad situation worse through his own ineptitude.
1. go big on how difficult he had it and what a great job him and his stuff did to make the club normal again (even though it was actually Slade that did that), or
2. he’ll say nothing as part of his early release from his contract with no compensation will be for him to keep his trap shut, imo17 -
Perhaps I should have said good managers, Muttley.MuttleyCAFC said:
To be honest, the great managers earn the power to buy the best players to fit their preferred system. But in League One you have to look at your strengths and weaknesses as you highlight. One of our weaknesses is we don't have a team full of goalscorers - so we sell a goalscorer in Holmes! That wasn't Robinson's fault and it highlights that there is a greater issue here than him. But you do have to play with the hand you are dealt and try to find a way - and we do have some decent players - whether they are showing that now or not!Oggy Red said:Karl's biggest weakness is that he insists a player must fit his rigid system.
But he doesn't have enough of those players.
Surely the essence of a good manager is to devise a system that gets the best out of the players you have.
And to get each player to play to his strengths.
That way you create a team "greater than the sum of its parts".
All the great managers work this way.
Why don't you, Karl?
I really meant the managers who work with what they've got, with perhaps a well thought out signing or 2 to complete the jigsaw - rather than the glory boy 'look at me' managers with their open checkbook and endless budget.
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So we are in agreement that Robinson is neither a great nor a good manager. As he has gained a promotion, I know followed by a relegation, I suppose he is probably a bang average manager, which given the circumstances is not what we need given the state of our club!0
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Let's be honest - since Chris Powell, they have ALL been shite. Every single one of them, whilst they may have had a little decent patch of form at one point, have all turned out to be rubbish.ElfsborgAddick said:Of the lot I preferred Bob Peeters.
I don't think he would have got the tin tack if it was not for the supposed problems at the training ground.
The one people seem to have a bit of time for is Jose Riga, and we were relegated under him!
Riga, Luzon, Fraeye, Peeters, Slade - all shite. Robinson is the best of a bad bunch, and it is still shite.
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Our League 1 record under Robinson.
Played: 63
Formations: 1
Won: 22
Drawn: 19
Lost: 22
Goals for: 78
Goals against: 80
PPG: 1.35 (62.1pts per 46 games)
Excuses: Lots. Some of them relevant.
KR has struggled since gaining promotion in 2014/15.
Relegation from the Championship --> Sacked with MK Dons in the L1 relegation zone --> underwhelming spell with us.
Personally, I don't care whether he stays or goes. There are only two things that matter at the moment;
1. Duchatelet sells our football club
2. We sink no lower than L1 (we might have avoided this for another season)17 -
To be fair to Riga, by the time he joined as third manager of the season, the damage was already done.cafctom said:
Let's be honest - since Chris Powell, they have ALL been shite. Every single one of them, whilst they may have had a little decent patch of form at one point, have all turned out to be rubbish.ElfsborgAddick said:Of the lot I preferred Bob Peeters.
I don't think he would have got the tin tack if it was not for the supposed problems at the training ground.
The one people seem to have a bit of time for is Jose Riga, and we were relegated under him!
Riga, Luzon, Fraeye, Peeters, Slade - all shite. Robinson is the best of a bad bunch, and it is still shite.
Very few managers could have breathed life into an already dead team, with the clown senior management and players disinterested.
He did his best though. Signed Tex and some very decent free agents who could at least play, but took a while to get match fit.
And the football showed a marked improvement. If he'd replaced Luzon in October, I reckon he'd probably have kept us up.
But in the end he was only a manager, not a miracle worker.
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Fraeye was the reason we got relegated and of course our transfer policy - Riga didn't have the resources to do much about it, whereas he had a number of players with the right character and qulaities the first time.0
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Apologies if already posted...
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Who is James Maddison ?0
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If KR jumps, is ditched, gets a taxi to Oxford it seems not worth getting in a perm manager at this stage of the season. JJ and Lee must bear some responsibility for our poor play, so Euell is most people's favourite. But how about Diarra? Don't know about any coaching badges but unlike JE, knows the squad as he is training with them, has a footballing brain, immense experience and will be highly respected by players.0
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Just another Charlton fan I thinkShootersHillGuru said:Who is James Maddison ?
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Try Google. Most phones & computers have it.ShootersHillGuru said:Who is James Maddison ?
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If there was someone running the club, surely they would sack Robinson for doing this.ForeverAddickted said:Apologies if already posted...
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Try Google. Most phones & computers have it.ShootersHillGuru said:Who is James Maddison ?
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He doesn’t care ... he knows RD won’t pay him off.guinnessaddick said:
If there was someone running the club, surely they would sack Robinson for doing this.ForeverAddickted said:Apologies if already posted...
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If only Meire was here to shake things up.2
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Hmm, you're right ... she'd have had him sacked and 20 interviews done in next to no time.ElfsborgAddick said:If only Meire was here to shake things up.
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Hopefully this is whats stopping him from getting a job, even when he's sacked by Charlton... and that clubs wont want to know because they dont want a Manager who might do the same one day to them!!guinnessaddick said:
If there was someone running the club, surely they would sack Robinson for doing this.ForeverAddickted said:Apologies if already posted...
He'd be first to slag off the likes of Fosu if they started to do this and is even more criminal coming from the Manager!!0 -
To be honest I’m past caring. We couldn’t do worse with no manager in place.ForeverAddickted said:
Hopefully this is whats stopping him from getting a job, even when he's sacked by Charlton... and that clubs wont want to know because they dont want a Manager who might do the same one day to them!!guinnessaddick said:
If there was someone running the club, surely they would sack Robinson for doing this.ForeverAddickted said:Apologies if already posted...
He'd be first to slag off the likes of Fosu if they started to do this and is even more criminal coming from the Manager!!
With no reporting line, no CEO, no CFO, Big Tone as COO, and an absent owner, the role of manager is virtually worthless anyway.6
