Doncaster Rovers v Charlton Athletic post-match views 10th February 2018
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Whether at number 10 or deeper in midfield, Aribo needs to be in the team full stop. He scored three in four games didn't he? And then JFC walks straight back into the team. What more could Joe have done?Exiled_Addick said:If he won’t re think the 4231, he needs to start Aribo in the no 10 position. I agree with trying to get a player in there who wants to pass the ball rather than just run with it, but Reeves just hasn’t done enough to justify a starting place.
JFC seems to be getting into the box less than he did earlier in the season too.4 -
PWR.
Watched the stream but too disappointed to post yesterday.
Two matches in a row ruined by very poor substitutions and in game management. We ought to have been more than one in the lead, but generally played very well with a balanced looking team...even with Reeves playing.
Some of our players were outstanding, very particularly Kashi.
Our fans were awesome.2 -
I can understand making subs in injury time at the end of a game, if you are losing. However if you are winning, why make a change at the back, how can you expect the sub to come on and fit right in?3
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The subs completely imbalanced the left flank. Magennis plus Lennon against a relatively fresh right winger, come on what did he expect?
Reeves should have been nowhere near that second half either. Waste of a shirt.2 -
I've never been a great fan of making defensive substitutions at the end of a game when defending a single goal lead - seems to lead to chaos far too often.guinnessaddick said:I can understand making subs in injury time at the end of a game, if you are losing. However if you are winning, why make a change at the back, how can you expect the sub to come on and fit right in?
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We'd played well and handled everything they threw our way so didn't really see the need for the sub. I can appreciate he's tried a different style of subs this time for last week but it still seemed a lack of tactical awareness with the changes. And although their goal was lucky, they shouldn't have been in the position to get that luck. Why do we sit back defending a 1-0 lead for so long
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Wasn’t at the game but followed the commentary etc. Not surprised whatsoever, but still that gutting feeling, that sinking feeling as soon as I saw it say 1-1.
The change to bring Jackson on was the correct one and should’ve came on last week. That’s fine.
The change to take off Fosu is frustrating when he was clearly playing very well, but I understand we have to protect him as he is still getting back to 100% but instead of Magennis going left midfield, have Kaikai where Fosu was, that doesn’t make sense to me.
But then there is the change to take off Dasilva for Lennon. Not only is that playing someone out of position, not only is that taking off one of our best players for someone who has been performing as one of our worst at the moment, but it also means we change the entire left hand side of the team and invites Doncaster onto us. It’s ridiculous and totally inexcusable. I really like Robinson and do believe he will get us top 6 this season, which has been said is the bare minimum, but I don’t think anyone else other than someone like Fraeye would’ve made a change like that. Piss poor.
We aren’t ruthless enough, we don’t score enough goals in comparison to the chances we create, we don’t keep enough clean sheets, we don’t go into the last 10 minutes of games more than 1 goal up which means we panic and back off, back off, back off, and we concede far too many late goals which cost us vital points. There are a lot of problems but ones that can be easily rectified, and need to be.
Pearce and Sarr will be back soon enough. Hopefully Pearce on Tuesday night. It means as much as I do like Lennon, someone performing that badly won’t be in the squad. We always look more solid when Pearce is playing.
I’d like to see Kaikai or Zyro start the game on Tuesday instead of Reeves. He is lacking so much confidence it’s clear to see, but that pass he made instead of trying to sweep the ball into the corner is again inexcusable.
With the points we have thrown away over the last two Saturdays, it has now made this Bradford game absolutely vital. Pretty much a must win game. We win Tuesday, we’ll be in 6th with two games in hand over Bradford and two in hand over Scunthorpe who play Peterborough away Tuesday night.
One final point is that we probably need a run similar to that Rotherham has gone on. They will drop off again between now and the end of the season, but currently their form is won 8 drew 3 from their last 11. That’s phenomenal.5 -
Robinson did a job for Duchatalet (ie he was willing to take the job and play nicely with Katrien) but it seems the top half of League 1 is the extent of his abilities, allied to a complete lack of a Plan B when Plan A doesn't work. He's here until the Belgian goes (let's face it, which clubs are going to be trying to tempt him to bail) at which point I suspect he will be gently eased out.4
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Whilst we clearly are not great at defending a lead, it is natural to try to hold what you have in the closing moments of a game when your lead is a slender one. Maybe the bigger issue is how often we fail to take chances to kill teams off. This is propably where we miss a BWP type player the most. Ayway,a win on Tuesday and we are decently placed. I just hope that if we get the first we go all out for the second and then the third. I think this approach will gain us more points overall given the sort of team we are.0
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If we have to play there at 3pm on a Saturday next season. Please can we not have it on the same day as two yorkshire derbies such as Sheff U v Leeds, Barnsley v Wendies. We also had Rotherham crossing to Scunthorpe. Doncaster was full of bloody pigs.0
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Reeves rightly getting a lot of stick as he again looked so lightweight and out of his depth.
But is it just me? Am I missing something fundemental when it comes to Forster-Caskey? Maybe I'm in the minority? Maybe the Saudi sun has unbalanced my viewpoint and thought process in some way? I just don't see it in him whatsoever. Slow, cumbersome, lazy and in the main, wholly ineffective. More than happy to (please) be educated.1 -
A play off position is pointless if Robinson is still in charge.
He wants to be the focus of attention and his poor decision making will let us down if we get that far. When has he ever admitted to his own mistakes? He is not slow to blame his players and anything else to deflect criticism from himself. Like all good referees, most good managers go by unnoticed whilst doing an effective job. No matter how well his teams play I fear his game management would let us down as he attempts to impress with some "right field" substitutions when more orthodox decisions could ensure the result.
Sorry KR but your protective BS has just hit the fan with me. You've got the players but you lack the full set of skills to get the best from them.9 -
Agree 100%. I can understand rotating or resting him, but not a pecking order that has him firmly below JFC.HandG said:
Whether at number 10 or deeper in midfield, Aribo needs to be in the team full stop. He scored three in four games didn't he? And then JFC walks straight back into the team. What more could Joe have done?Exiled_Addick said:If he won’t re think the 4231, he needs to start Aribo in the no 10 position. I agree with trying to get a player in there who wants to pass the ball rather than just run with it, but Reeves just hasn’t done enough to justify a starting place.
JFC seems to be getting into the box less than he did earlier in the season too.
I get stick for backing Robbo, and I still think people underestimate what a state we were in before he took over, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed by some of his selections, and one or two of his substitutions recently.1 -
Can sometimes please tell me when the last time was that we were 2-0 up (or 3-1....ie, 2 goals clear) with 10 mins to go. Also, when did we last win comfortably, ie 3-0, 4-0. I know we beat Northampton 4-1 on the 3rd game of the season, but 2 of those goals came in injury time. Have we ever done this under Robinson ???0
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The very least I could do, HG but let's be clear on this.HandG said:
Thank you for doing the collection Fanny-it was a lovely gesture and it's nice to hear that all were generous. I'm sure the family will be very grateful.Fanny Fanackapan said:Regarding the collection today for little Jack Jeffereys, I've just discovered that a total of £379.64 was given today.
Thank you SO much to everyone that contributed.
The fund raising has been instigated by Clare Sadlier , a long term supporter who many will know by sight, if not name.
Clare had been collecting in the Fans' Club at the ground whilst I was meeting up with our gang & having a quick lunch.
At half time, she continued to "work" on the concourse whilst I took my bucket around the away area.
I'm sure this very worthy cause for one of our own will gain momentum over the next few weeks & I'll help whenever I can.
But the thanks should go to Clare.3 -
Fleetwood awaygolfaddick said:Can sometimes please tell me when the last time was that we were 2-0 up (or 3-1....ie, 2 goals clear) with 10 mins to go. Also, when did we last win comfortably, ie 3-0, 4-0. I know we beat Northampton 4-1 on the 3rd game of the season, but 2 of those goals came in injury time. Have we ever done this under Robinson ???
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Disagree. It's not bad luck when you take your two most effective players off and the goal comes from that side.cafcnick1992 said:
You know full well you'd be full of praise if we'd won that 0-1. The fact we didn't is just bad luck.cafcfan1990 said:
in his defence, he cannot be blamed for the goal and the goal was a fluke.cafcnick1992 said:How can people really blame Robinson after seeing the Doncaster goal?
Ridiculous deflection.
Nevertheless, he continues to make poor decisions of which he has to take responsibility.5 -
Didn't realise I'd met Fanny. Dad and I had a quick chat with you after donating. Well done.Fanny Fanackapan said:Regarding the collection today for little Jack Jeffereys, I've just discovered that a total of £379.64 was given today.
Thank you SO much to everyone that contributed.0 -
Aw, wish you'd have introduced yourself ! Next time....The Red Robin said:
Didn't realise I'd met Fanny. Dad and I had a quick chat with you after donating. Well done.Fanny Fanackapan said:Regarding the collection today for little Jack Jeffereys, I've just discovered that a total of £379.64 was given today.
Thank you SO much to everyone that contributed.
Mind you, I may have detected a sharp intake of breath when I revealed my name to @cafctom on the train home.....
( Only kidding, Tom !)3 -
Absolutely this.JamesSeed said:
Agree 100%. I can understand rotating or resting him, but not a pecking order that has him firmly below JFC.HandG said:
Whether at number 10 or deeper in midfield, Aribo needs to be in the team full stop. He scored three in four games didn't he? And then JFC walks straight back into the team. What more could Joe have done?Exiled_Addick said:If he won’t re think the 4231, he needs to start Aribo in the no 10 position. I agree with trying to get a player in there who wants to pass the ball rather than just run with it, but Reeves just hasn’t done enough to justify a starting place.
JFC seems to be getting into the box less than he did earlier in the season too.
I get stick for backing Robbo, and I still think people underestimate what a state we were in before he took over, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed by some of his selections, and one or two of his substitutions recently.
Robinson has done a decent job and I have backed him too. Just feel he has weaknesses letting him down and it can cost points.
Certainly cannot complain at his signings. Would love him as scout or D of F as Dasilva, Fosu, Mavididi JFC all been good signings. Yes we waited for Reeves too long but not many were complaining about him or Marshall despite how poor they have been1 -
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well I was, from day one & even before.cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely this.JamesSeed said:
Agree 100%. I can understand rotating or resting him, but not a pecking order that has him firmly below JFC.HandG said:
Whether at number 10 or deeper in midfield, Aribo needs to be in the team full stop. He scored three in four games didn't he? And then JFC walks straight back into the team. What more could Joe have done?Exiled_Addick said:If he won’t re think the 4231, he needs to start Aribo in the no 10 position. I agree with trying to get a player in there who wants to pass the ball rather than just run with it, but Reeves just hasn’t done enough to justify a starting place.
JFC seems to be getting into the box less than he did earlier in the season too.
I get stick for backing Robbo, and I still think people underestimate what a state we were in before he took over, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed by some of his selections, and one or two of his substitutions recently.
Robinson has done a decent job and I have backed him too. Just feel he has weaknesses letting him down and it can cost points.
Certainly cannot complain at his signings. Would love him as scout or D of F as Dasilva, Fosu, Mavididi JFC all been good signings. Yes we waited for Reeves too long but not many were complaining about him or Marshall despite how poor they have been1 -
So, is that one game in about 60 since he's been in charge. I would say a blind beggar could do better than that then.AddickFC81 said:
Fleetwood awaygolfaddick said:Can sometimes please tell me when the last time was that we were 2-0 up (or 3-1....ie, 2 goals clear) with 10 mins to go. Also, when did we last win comfortably, ie 3-0, 4-0. I know we beat Northampton 4-1 on the 3rd game of the season, but 2 of those goals came in injury time. Have we ever done this under Robinson ???
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Yes, but tbf you complain about everythinggolfaddick said:
well I was, from day one & even before.cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely this.JamesSeed said:
Agree 100%. I can understand rotating or resting him, but not a pecking order that has him firmly below JFC.HandG said:
Whether at number 10 or deeper in midfield, Aribo needs to be in the team full stop. He scored three in four games didn't he? And then JFC walks straight back into the team. What more could Joe have done?Exiled_Addick said:If he won’t re think the 4231, he needs to start Aribo in the no 10 position. I agree with trying to get a player in there who wants to pass the ball rather than just run with it, but Reeves just hasn’t done enough to justify a starting place.
JFC seems to be getting into the box less than he did earlier in the season too.
I get stick for backing Robbo, and I still think people underestimate what a state we were in before he took over, but I'm getting increasingly annoyed by some of his selections, and one or two of his substitutions recently.
Robinson has done a decent job and I have backed him too. Just feel he has weaknesses letting him down and it can cost points.
Certainly cannot complain at his signings. Would love him as scout or D of F as Dasilva, Fosu, Mavididi JFC all been good signings. Yes we waited for Reeves too long but not many were complaining about him or Marshall despite how poor they have been
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Forster - Caskey is a proficient third tier midfielder which is where we find ourselves.bazjonster said:Reeves rightly getting a lot of stick as he again looked so lightweight and out of his depth.
But is it just me? Am I missing something fundemental when it comes to Forster-Caskey? Maybe I'm in the minority? Maybe the Saudi sun has unbalanced my viewpoint and thought process in some way? I just don't see it in him whatsoever. Slow, cumbersome, lazy and in the main, wholly ineffective. More than happy to (please) be educated.
Very few of our players are capable of performing at a higher level in my view. Konsa and Fosu probably but then I'm struggling. Solly has the ability but no longer the fitness thanks to his injuries.0 -
I said this a few weeks ago, maybe in a different context but the thread was closed and put in the post match comments (which I didnt agree with as it was a fairly valid talking point on its own) but queried the desire to get promoted as barely any of our players are good enough for the championship.LenGlover said:
Forster - Caskey is a proficient third tier midfielder which is where we find ourselves.bazjonster said:Reeves rightly getting a lot of stick as he again looked so lightweight and out of his depth.
But is it just me? Am I missing something fundemental when it comes to Forster-Caskey? Maybe I'm in the minority? Maybe the Saudi sun has unbalanced my viewpoint and thought process in some way? I just don't see it in him whatsoever. Slow, cumbersome, lazy and in the main, wholly ineffective. More than happy to (please) be educated.
Very few of our players are capable of performing at a higher level in my view. Konsa and Fosu probably but then I'm struggling. Solly has the ability but no longer the fitness thanks to his injuries.0 -
Can't speak for everyone, but not a very sensible thing to post....especially as you can't prove it.Sillybilly said:Someone I know claims to know Bowyer and says that he (Bowyer) and Jacko think that Robinson is a useless knob and largely ignore him. I’ve always thought that was BS but I’m beginning to wonder.
Your post is entirely unsubstantiated and could possibly lead to discord.
PS....don't be a knob!1 -
That's an interesting take on the situation. I doubt many of them think they couldn't make it in The Championship though.Charltonparklane said:
I said this a few weeks ago, maybe in a different context but the thread was closed and put in the post match comments (which I didnt agree with as it was a fairly valid talking point on its own) but queried the desire to get promoted as barely any of our players are good enough for the championship.LenGlover said:
Forster - Caskey is a proficient third tier midfielder which is where we find ourselves.bazjonster said:Reeves rightly getting a lot of stick as he again looked so lightweight and out of his depth.
But is it just me? Am I missing something fundemental when it comes to Forster-Caskey? Maybe I'm in the minority? Maybe the Saudi sun has unbalanced my viewpoint and thought process in some way? I just don't see it in him whatsoever. Slow, cumbersome, lazy and in the main, wholly ineffective. More than happy to (please) be educated.
Very few of our players are capable of performing at a higher level in my view. Konsa and Fosu probably but then I'm struggling. Solly has the ability but no longer the fitness thanks to his injuries.
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To be fair, he does have a point!cafcfan1990 said:
Players have to take responsibility too but can't disagree with what your saying. He's making poor decisions and he's not taking us up.sm said:
Happy to admit I wasn't at the game and that I don't think Robinson is up to the job - I note for the second week in the row he is blaming the team rather than taking responsibility himself. I said the same last week. This is just a management 101 failure in any field not just football.JamesSeed said:I wonder how many of the above comments come from people who didn't actually watch the game but can't wait to get stuck in to the team or Robinson. Anyone care to admit that?
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We were the pair stuffing our faces with balti pie! Mind you, doesn't really narrow it down!Fanny Fanackapan said:
Aw, wish you'd have introduced yourself ! Next time....The Red Robin said:
Didn't realise I'd met Fanny. Dad and I had a quick chat with you after donating. Well done.Fanny Fanackapan said:Regarding the collection today for little Jack Jeffereys, I've just discovered that a total of £379.64 was given today.
Thank you SO much to everyone that contributed.
Mind you, I may have detected a sharp intake of breath when I revealed my name to @cafctom on the train home.....
( Only kidding, Tom !)1 -
He does. But he also seems to like passing the blame. About time he took accountability when he makes mistakes.SoundAsa£ said:
To be fair, he does have a point!cafcfan1990 said:
Players have to take responsibility too but can't disagree with what your saying. He's making poor decisions and he's not taking us up.sm said:
Happy to admit I wasn't at the game and that I don't think Robinson is up to the job - I note for the second week in the row he is blaming the team rather than taking responsibility himself. I said the same last week. This is just a management 101 failure in any field not just football.JamesSeed said:I wonder how many of the above comments come from people who didn't actually watch the game but can't wait to get stuck in to the team or Robinson. Anyone care to admit that?
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