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Chelsea v Spurs

Uboat
Uboat Posts: 12,195
in Other Football and Sports
Already a good old-fashioned mad semi-final. Three goals, dodgy pen, Lloris should be off and it's only half time.
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  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Dodgy pen? Don't think so. For Moses to continue he would have had to jump over Son. That is not in the rules.
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    That looked like a definite penalty to me.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Pen was in a grey area. No contact so technically no foul.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Waiting anxiously for the pundits' verdict.
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Callumcafc said:

    Pen was in a grey area. No contact so technically no foul.

    Grey area? It isn't our pitch from before Roly saved us. ;)
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Looks like I'm in a minority then....
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Uboat said:

    Looks like I'm in a minority then....

    I think I'm with you (Moses saw the leg and went over it) but can see why it was given.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Moses dived and there was no contact - sliding in doesn't mean it was a foul if no contact.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    If you go sliding in like that in the area you are asking for trouble.
  • SOTF
    SOTF Posts: 1,149
    As soon as Son went to ground it was a Pen. The angle meant Moses had to go through him or over him. End result would have been the same.
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  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    If you slide in you have to win the ball. If the attacker wins the ball first, as Moses did, then you are on the ground and impeding the attacker's ability to maintain possession without jumping over you.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    1StevieG said:

    If you go sliding in like that in the area you are asking for trouble.

    I'd agree with that.

    Wasn't a pen though.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    If you slide in you have to win the ball. If the attacker wins the ball first, as Moses did, then you are on the ground and impeding the attacker's ability to maintain possession without jumping over you.

    So at the most it should be obstruction and an indirect free kick. If that - he could have easily carried on but chose to dive.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Chizz said:

    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?

    Presumably the guy with the video would be a qualified ref, rather than a few blokes on the internet.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    North Lower Neil said:

    Chizz said:

    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?

    Presumably the guy with the video would be a qualified ref, rather than a few blokes on the internet.
    So we would all be arguing about *his* decision instead of arguing about the ref's? Is that how it would work?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Chizz said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Chizz said:

    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?

    Presumably the guy with the video would be a qualified ref, rather than a few blokes on the internet.
    So we would all be arguing about *his* decision instead of arguing about the ref's? Is that how it would work?
    Yeah, probably.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Wow. Desmond. What a pass for Alli.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Great goal that.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Spurs have been much the better side.
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  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,866
    COYS
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    North Lower Neil said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    If you slide in you have to win the ball. If the attacker wins the ball first, as Moses did, then you are on the ground and impeding the attacker's ability to maintain possession without jumping over you.

    So at the most it should be obstruction and an indirect free kick. If that - he could have easily carried on but chose to dive.
    He simply continued running in his normal stride for the ball as he had every right to do.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,949
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    North Lower Neil said:

    Red_in_SE8 said:

    If you slide in you have to win the ball. If the attacker wins the ball first, as Moses did, then you are on the ground and impeding the attacker's ability to maintain possession without jumping over you.

    So at the most it should be obstruction and an indirect free kick. If that - he could have easily carried on but chose to dive.
    He simply continued running in his normal stride for the ball as he had every right to do.
    Does he jump over players onto the floor in his normal stride then?

    If he had carried on his normal stride he'd have been tripped and it would have been a penalty. But he didn't, and it shouldn't have been.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Chizz said:

    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gnOfzQE8nY

    Here's the correct application of the law, I believe. For when a player is impeded without contact.

    An indirect free kick inside the area.
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    But there was contact.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Here comes trouble.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    Chizz said:

    So having seen close-up replays from every angle, there are still people who think it was a pen and people who think it wasn't.

    Can anyone who believes we should stop the game to allow for video evidence explain how a video ref would have made a "better" decision in that instance?

    I doubt video refs would over rule a decision like that. More a case of another pair of eyes for the ref and assistants.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Definite pen
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Red_in_SE8 said:

    But there was contact.

    I haven't seen an angle yet that proves contact.
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Thought Spurs should have had a pen. But you can't blame the ref. Ake fouled Alli before he made contact with the ball.

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