Trashing a football culture - spare a thought for our friends in Sint-Truiden
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From the reports I heard, they were also very concerned.
Under German law, Duchatelet cannot own more than 50% but he is looking to exert soft power to gain control.
A proportion of the discussions were around Charlton and the disaffection his ownership has created.0 -
I don't know about you guys, but I start to think that Jena looks like a more fruitful target than Ujpest, if we are looking to extend our protests further0
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You could well be right.PragueAddick said:I don't know about you guys, but I start to think that Jena looks like a more fruitful target than Ujpest, if we are looking to extend our protests further
I've been trying to understand the issues at Ujpest in order to know how best to connect with any fan protest groups, but there is not much info out there is seems.
One thing I have learned is that Duchatelet was royally ripped off by previous owners in the first year or so, after taking over, but little else.0 -
@PragueAddick - do you have a grasp of fan's attitude towards Duchatelet at CZJ?0
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I only really have a perspective from Anders, when we were there in 2015 (you met him too, in S-T, right?). But by a strange coincidence my neighbour (see Prague protests thread) has a Jena supporting buddy who has always been one of the anti-RD crew. I could try to follow that up.Big in Brasov said:@PragueAddick - do you have a grasp of fan's attitude towards Duchatelet at CZJ?
I was thinking that in Germany, as in Belgium, the media, local authorities and police will listen calmly to our case and judge it on its merits. There is also a lot of disquiet in German football about businessmen seeking to overturn or get round the 50+1 rule. Unfortunately I don't think any of that that applies in Hungary today. Furthermore, in a big city like Budapest it will be hard to have the impact we can make in a smaller city. Jena's bigger than S-T but it has a compact centre where everything happens.
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Sum very good points here regarding Budapest.PragueAddick said:
I only really have a perspective from Anders, when we were there in 2015 (you met him too, in S-T, right?). But by a strange coincidence my neighbour (see Prague protests thread) has a Jena supporting buddy who has always been one of the anti-RD crew. I could try to follow that up.Big in Brasov said:@PragueAddick - do you have a grasp of fan's attitude towards Duchatelet at CZJ?
I was thinking that in Germany, as in Belgium, the media, local authorities and police will listen calmly to our case and judge it on its merits. There is also a lot of disquiet in German football about businessmen seeking to overturn or get round the 50+1 rule. Unfortunately I don't think any of that that applies in Hungary today. Furthermore, in a big city like Budapest it will be hard to have the impact we can make in a smaller city. Jena's bigger than S-T but it has a compact centre where everything happens.
Just now I get the feeling there is still unfinished business in Sint-Truiden. Nevertheless, now would might be a good time to make an approach to any disaffected CZJ fans.
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Actually I do have a CZJ fan group contact. I had forgotten about it because I found it a bit confusing, trying to get to the bottom of their main complaints. I will forward you the details and the dialogue.
Same re Ujpest, couple of contacts there, if I didn't already forward you them?0 -
Posted on the STVV forum earlier this week:
Full of disbelief staring at the revolving-door policy on Staaien (yes, because the stadium used to be called that before it became a full-time shopping mall and a part-time pigeon ball), I asked myself this morning, "What's up with my club?", Then pretty soon Realizing that STVV 'my' club no longer exists. Admittedly, the colors remain the same, the logo has not changed and the address of the stadium remains the same. But that's where it stops ...
In fact, STVV is no longer 'my' club. It may be the team where my grandfather played for a few seasons, through the youth series, and where I've been hopelessly smitten since the season 1986-1987, with all peaks and falls ... It is now, and remains the Roland team Duchatelet. Account for the supporters? Not necesarry. The Circus Rolando simply continues, with or without the approval of those who have the club in their hearts.
This means, however, that I do not have any obligation over this meat-loving Scrooge. I do not need to prolong any season-ticket. Therefore, I do not need a free sweater, and I don't have to look out for the next pitiful transfer or loan.
And yet…. stupidly I hope Scrooge ... euh..Roland, the club with all the bricks sells to the first best buyer, starts his Citroën and disappears with the northern sun. Because this is not going to happen, I hope instead for a quick and worthy end of the club and then a miraculous resurrection, whether or not at a lower level. But preferably without the despicable methods of Duchatelet and within a framework that is worthy, that reflects on the tandem of Jaques Kingambo and Ivan Cvjetkovic, the warrior heart of the Polleunis clan and the technical powers of Isaias Magalhaes Da Silva. When STVV was still my club.
A human may dream. Until so far, there's nothing else but watching and counting down slowly ... because everything comes to an end, including the empire of a dictator.
The parallels with the feelings of many of our fans are striking.
Duchâtelet hasn't a clue.26 -
The fact that you obviously care about your club yet would prefer to see it bottom out and start again rather than carry on with the clown that RD is, speaks loud and clear about Duchatelet. Sounds like your club are already dead. My fear is that CAFC are heading the same way unless we get rid of him.
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I'd 'like' Big in Brasov's post, but I hate everything about it and what's in store for Charlton.
Truly depressing.1 - Sponsored links:
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Feel sorry for STVV fans, sounds like that club is not the one they've grown up supporting0
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Last night I realised that STVV will have playing for them next season:
Igor Vetokele
Christian Ceballos
Jorge Teixara
Now I've seen STVV play last season, Igor looked great in that league, as good as he did in the championship before he got injured.
Ceballos, from what I remember, looked good, was not surprised to hear he had a good pre-season with us.
Teixara will be probably the best centre back in the league.
Roland is shoring up his home base. I would not be at all surprised if STVV do pretty well next season.3 -
Perhaps, but as well as the players they've brought in, they've shipped out quite a few, and have a new coach, who requires an interpreter to communicate with the Dutch speakers.Alwaysneil said:Last night I realised that STVV will have playing for them next season:
Igor Vetokele
Christian Ceballos
Jorge Teixara
Now I've seen STVV play last season, Igor looked great in that league, as good as he did in the championship before he got injured.
Ceballos, from what I remember, looked good, was not surprised to hear he had a good pre-season with us.
Teixara will be probably the best centre back in the league.
Roland is shoring up his home base. I would not be at all surprised if STVV do pretty well next season.
Like us, STVV tend to have an annual revolving-door party. They may come good, but under Duchâtelet's stewardship, I think it could just as well go pear shaped.2 -
I went to their home game on March 4th and as soulless and depressing a stadium would be hard to contemplate.
Together with a predictable plastic pitch, the place was numbingly boring, and the armosphere non existent.1 -
But it's the legosphere that makes all the difference.SoundAsa£ said:I went to their home game on March 4th and as soulless and depressing a stadium would be hard to contemplate.
Together with a predictable plastic pitch, the place was numbingly boring, and the armosphere non existent.
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If I read this a natural football fan, I'd be thinking it couldn't happen over here. *****Having been to STVV and seen 150 fans trying their hearts out get some sort of atmosphere, having gone below and seen 50% of the concourse which incidentally has lovely glass doors I assume to keep the cold or the noise away from what I would consider to be a poorly attended disco, complete with music and associated flashing lights. Having walked to the other end of the concourse to find what I would call the quiet area, staff wandering around serving people who sat around in shirt sleeves in what appeared to be a heated environment, occasionally glancing up at tv's to see how the game was progressing. Having seen the hotel, the shops and other moneymaking schemes strapped to the soulless remains of a once proud football club. Having sat and listened over a beer or three to passionate football fans who told me "he will do to you what he did to us, he will destroy your football club". *******Big in Brasov said:Posted on the STVV forum earlier this week:
Full of disbelief staring at the revolving-door policy on Staaien (yes, because the stadium used to be called that before it became a full-time shopping mall and a part-time pigeon ball), I asked myself this morning, "What's up with my club?", Then pretty soon Realizing that STVV 'my' club no longer exists. Admittedly, the colors remain the same, the logo has not changed and the address of the stadium remains the same. But that's where it stops ...
In fact, STVV is no longer 'my' club. It may be the team where my grandfather played for a few seasons, through the youth series, and where I've been hopelessly smitten since the season 1986-1987, with all peaks and falls ... It is now, and remains the Roland team Duchatelet. Account for the supporters? Not necesarry. The Circus Rolando simply continues, with or without the approval of those who have the club in their hearts.
This means, however, that I do not have any obligation over this meat-loving Scrooge. I do not need to prolong any season-ticket. Therefore, I do not need a free sweater, and I don't have to look out for the next pitiful transfer or loan.
And yet…. stupidly I hope Scrooge ... euh..Roland, the club with all the bricks sells to the first best buyer, starts his Citroën and disappears with the northern sun. Because this is not going to happen, I hope instead for a quick and worthy end of the club and then a miraculous resurrection, whether or not at a lower level. But preferably without the despicable methods of Duchatelet and within a framework that is worthy, that reflects on the tandem of Jaques Kingambo and Ivan Cvjetkovic, the warrior heart of the Polleunis clan and the technical powers of Isaias Magalhaes Da Silva. When STVV was still my club.
A human may dream. Until so far, there's nothing else but watching and counting down slowly ... because everything comes to an end, including the empire of a dictator.
The parallels with the feelings of many of our fans are striking.
Duchâtelet hasn't a clue.
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Alwaysneil said:
Last night I realised that STVV will have playing for them next season:
Igor Vetokele
Christian Ceballos
Jorge Teixara
Now I've seen STVV play last season, Igor looked great in that league, as good as he did in the championship before he got injured.
Ceballos, from what I remember, looked good, was not surprised to hear he had a good pre-season with us.
Teixara will be probably the best centre back in the league.
Roland is shoring up his home base. I would not be at all surprised if STVV do pretty well next season.
Prrrrlease. I like Tex, but this is the league that brought us Vincent Kompany, and is in a country whose national team would expect to cruise past England if they met.
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But Kompany and most of the national team don't play in the Belgian League.
Think he means Tex will probably be the best centre back playing in the Belgian League this season.0 -
Better than any of the CBs that are playing for the Belgian clubs that qualified for Europe? Unlikely. He wasn't that convincing in League 1 last season.3
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I understood that perfectly well thank you. I just happen to think that @Alwaysneil is underestimating the quality of clubs like Club Brugge and Anderlecht, Genk, and Gent. Check their European records.iaitch said:But Kompany and most of the national team don't play in the Belgian League.
Think he means Tex will probably be the best centre back playing in the Belgian League this season.
They were not exactly rioting in the streets when Tex was shifted to us from Standard, either.0
