January (2017) Transfer (Rumours) Thread - (Deadline Dayfrom page 67)
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Is he "not playing" by his choice or ours? I'm guessing that he's not saying "I'll only play with kids".Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.
I never rated him but never heard that he'd refused to play.
It appears we are trying to force him to leave but don't want to pay him off as much as he wants.
He's an expensive mistake which we are still paying for and can't as yet shift.
Yes, he being stubborn holding on to the contract Meire gave him shock horror! Should he just rip up his contract because the club don't want him? Why should he?
The club need to make an offer attractive enough for him to move on but having paid way over the odds that will be expensive so they make him play with the kids to try and force him out. But seems that so far it's not working, pretty much like everything this regime tries.
Yet another in the catalogue of errors made by Driesen and Meire eating up wages Robinson could spend elsewhere. Now they are trying to spin in that he's a greedy bastard and you've fallen for it.24 -
He's 23. He has another 18 months on his contract so 24/25 when it expires. Hardly likely clubs won't touch him with a barge pole when the likes of Ched Evans and the gangsta bloke at Southend still get contracts. If I had a short career and a contract that would set me up for life that I could not replace elsewhere I would not walk away from it and nor would most.Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.6 -
Fair enough. But most players are professional footballers because they like playing football.Athletico Charlton said:
He's 23. He has another 18 months on his contract so 24/25 when it expires. Hardly likely clubs won't touch him with a barge pole when the likes of Ched Evans and the gangsta bloke at Southend still get contracts. If I had a short career and a contract that would set me up for life that I could not replace elsewhere I would not walk away from it and nor would most.Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.
Even if he's content to sit on his Charlton contract until it runs down, wasting career as he's currently doing can only lead to him soon not having any decent career at all.
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Scored 1st goal tonight.Henry Irving said:2 -
Said it before, but I think in the right formation Ba has something to offer. He's too light weight for a 4-4-2 but strangely I think he could work in Robinson's preferred 4-2-3-1.
He looked good in his first pre season and started ok. He also looked ok in this pre-season and was basically mugged off by Slade.
Doubt there is anyway back for him now, but slagging him off for seeing out what if Meire was involved will be a ridiculously over the top contract, is not fair imo.
He's gone on trial in Holland so is clearly trying to sort something else out, if they are offering him pittance why would he take it and walk away from the meal ticket our glorious leader is supplying?13 -
I slightly disagree, yes there will be many players who do it because of the love for playing. But I firmly believe there are much, much more players than people realise who just see it as a job so will only think of the money and how they can better themselves that way.Oggy Red said:
Fair enough. But most players are professional footballers because they like playing football.Athletico Charlton said:
He's 23. He has another 18 months on his contract so 24/25 when it expires. Hardly likely clubs won't touch him with a barge pole when the likes of Ched Evans and the gangsta bloke at Southend still get contracts. If I had a short career and a contract that would set me up for life that I could not replace elsewhere I would not walk away from it and nor would most.Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.
Even if he's content to sit on his Charlton contract until it runs down, wasting career as he's currently doing can only lead to him soon not having any decent career at all.
We obviously don't know the full story about Ba. He would add something to the team if he was apart of it, but he's not, so it's wrong to call him greedy or his attitude is bad or that it is the club. Ultimately we don't know. But his wages are taking up some that could be used better elsewhere on someone else who will play.2 -
If Ba was a really good player ( premiership standard ) I would think he was being foolish , but as an average player on a good contract , maybe 10k a week I don't blame him for not walking away from that , would you ?1
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No chance he's on 10kcharltonnick said:If Ba was a really good player ( premiership standard ) I would think he was being foolish , but as an average player on a good contract , maybe 10k a week I don't blame him for not walking away from that , would you ?
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Would you put it past them if he was?sam3110 said:
No chance he's on 10kcharltonnick said:If Ba was a really good player ( premiership standard ) I would think he was being foolish , but as an average player on a good contract , maybe 10k a week I don't blame him for not walking away from that , would you ?
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All I know @Henry Irving is that we are looking to sign Reeves on a free at the end of the season. Also there is still interest in Dawson even though Slade has gone.2
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Oh and Anfernee will probably sign a new contract.2
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Merci Henri Rouge6
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Just seen this - if both fit I'd take Watt all day long. Igor's just a standard run of the mill modern footballer. You can't teach what Watt has. Watt's attitude may be shit and that may never change but he'll probably still give you more than Vetokele imoSELR_addicks said:A choice of Igor or Watt?
Igor wins that all day long. Maybe he's on higher wages though.
That's the most frustrating thing about Watt. It's pure talent with a great touch. Such a waste.
The Vetokele's of this world are ten a penny. Athletic. Who cares? that's the standard prototype factory line footballer. I see so much of this these days. Talking up bang average, athletic players. Not having a pop at anyone specifically on here, just saying there's too much hype around footballers' athleticism over true, pure talent. We're very good in England at doing this3 -
Very unfair on Igor.
He had and maybe still has a lot more than athleticism.
He could score goals for one, he could play up top and off a main striker, could pick out a pass and yes he was also strong and fairly fast.
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Igor when fully fit was 2x the player Watt will ever be. He can head the ball for one8
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I'm just not sure henners. I appreciate that was a really bad injury and yes I'm probably coming across too strong but if you gave me them both fully fit, even with Watt's attitude I'd take him over IgorHenry Irving said:Very unfair on Igor.
He had and maybe still has a lot more than athleticism.
He could score goals for one, he could play up top and off a main striker, could pick out a pass and yes he was also strong and fairly fast.1 -
Igor in the first 3-4 months of his spell with us looked electric. I can't remember being as excited by a striker since Mendonca.
Teams were allegedly sniffing round him after that start and I thought we'd struck gold.
Look at his finish for the second goal away at Brighton it was class.
He was destroyed mentally and physically by being forced to play through a bad achilles injury and then criminally mis-managed after the diagnosis - how long did they wait before operating?
People should remember how young he was when he came to us as well. 22 or 23?
Watt has never been consistent for us and never will be. He will end up in the Scottish 3rd division, 2 stone over weight and scoring 15-20 a season in the 20 odd games he plays.
If Igor had stayed fit we'd have sold him for big money at the end of that first season. He was nailed on for 20+ goals.19 -
Igor didn't seem to do much in his first loan, but apparently played well for Sint Truiden in his first game there, and looked pacey0
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Way too strong.cabbles said:
I'm just not sure henners. I appreciate that was a really bad injury and yes I'm probably coming across too strong but if you gave me them both fully fit, even with Watt's attitude I'd take him over IgorHenry Irving said:Very unfair on Igor.
He had and maybe still has a lot more than athleticism.
He could score goals for one, he could play up top and off a main striker, could pick out a pass and yes he was also strong and fairly fast.
Thing is that they are both our players yet both were out on loan while we paid most of their wages.
Cawley was given a line about Robinson having the choice and picking Watt which is nonsense and Hearts sent him back.
We could have Igor and Watt playing upfront together V Bolton if the club was run semi-sensibly9 -
I've not fallen for anything. I'm saying what I see. A footballer wasting his careerHenry Irving said:
Is he "not playing" by his choice or ours? I'm guessing that he's not saying "I'll only play with kids".Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.
I never rated him but never heard that he'd refused to play.
It appears we are trying to force him to leave but don't want to pay him off as much as he wants.
He's an expensive mistake which we are still paying for and can't as yet shift.
Yes, he being stubborn holding on to the contract Meire gave him shock horror! Should he just rip up his contract because the club don't want him? Why should he?
The club need to make an offer attractive enough for him to move on but having paid way over the odds that will be expensive so they make him play with the kids to try and force him out. But seems that so far it's not working, pretty much like everything this regime tries.
Yet another in the catalogue of errors made by Driesen and Meire eating up wages Robinson could spend elsewhere. Now they are trying to spin in that he's a greedy bastard and you've fallen for it.
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I just have an appreciation for the type of magic Watt can do over the qualities Igor can bring that's all. I can't really explain it. Agree re: the farce that's gone on with both of them (and others). I guess the difficulty is Igor through no fault of his own got that shitty injury and looked pants when he came back, and Watt is lazy prat that needs more than a kick up the arse. Frustrating all round and handled badly by the club5
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And what an exciting attack that would be in this division if they were both here and both fit.Henry Irving said:
Way too strong.cabbles said:
I'm just not sure henners. I appreciate that was a really bad injury and yes I'm probably coming across too strong but if you gave me them both fully fit, even with Watt's attitude I'd take him over IgorHenry Irving said:Very unfair on Igor.
He had and maybe still has a lot more than athleticism.
He could score goals for one, he could play up top and off a main striker, could pick out a pass and yes he was also strong and fairly fast.
Thing is that they are both our players yet both were out on loan while we paid most of their wages.
Cawley was given a line about Robinson having the choice and picking Watt which is nonsense and Hearts sent him back.
We could have Igor and Watt playing upfront together V Bolton if the club was run semi-sensibly
Totally agree that with Igor, he started off so brilliantly it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth the way he was essentially neglected by the club, physically and mentally.
If they were both fit and playing well, I am sure they would both get into most championship teams, let alone ours.
A real shame, and I still hope that he comes back to us in future and picks up where he was before the injury. Maybe very unlikely but as long as he's contracted with us, there's always a chance.
Seems a very nice man too and happy with his wife and young daughter. Good luck to him.0 -
As has been alluded to above the recent update from Dr Kish http://www.cafcpicks.com/cgi-bin/drkish/display.pl?month=201701&date=20170125&time=0505 just shows the very long and ongoing train wreck of our mismanaged transfer policy over the years. How any right minded person can have faith in this lot beggars belief, and new mistakes are added daily.3
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Too many young players treated with zero respect by the regime.
If we are customers, players are merely numbers to this lot.
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The issues with Ba, Watt, Igor, Sarr and Tex (although the latter and TW have been reprieved due to desperation) is that despite being on our books under 3,4 or 5 managers they have been sidelined for non footballing reasons.1
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Watt isn't allowed to play for another club this season is he? Hardly a choice for Robinson.4
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To be fair, Ba looked very good in the 2-0 win against Sheffield Wednesday, but then so did Simon Makienok.
Fox looked good in some games and so did Nick Pope - would I want them back in the team? No, I wouldn't.
I don't blame Ba for sticking around, it's Meire's incompetence that keeps him here.
He may be able to offer something in a 4-2-3-1 but I am perhaps guilty of the same old thing of "a player is always gets better when he is out of the team".
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It's all about money at the end of the day.Oggy Red said:
Fair enough. But most players are professional footballers because they like playing football.Athletico Charlton said:
He's 23. He has another 18 months on his contract so 24/25 when it expires. Hardly likely clubs won't touch him with a barge pole when the likes of Ched Evans and the gangsta bloke at Southend still get contracts. If I had a short career and a contract that would set me up for life that I could not replace elsewhere I would not walk away from it and nor would most.Swisdom said:
We don't know his exact circumstances but By not playing he is irreparably damaging his future career. Clubs won't touch with a barge pole him because he's proving he doesn't trust his ability and is more interested in money.Athletico Charlton said:
Not sure if this is a serious comment but if I was a League Two quality player who in the market could command a £1K per week, 2 year contract but some plonker had given me a 5 year contract on £5K a week which had 3.5 years to go and was now offering me £50K to leave early I would probably sit tight.Swisdom said:I love the way the picture shows the team walking away from him. Nicely done!
If you were a half decent player would you be happy to sit and play with the kids? Or would you take the settlement and sign for someone on a Bosman and kick start your career. The fact he is content to sit back and get paid to not play tells me a lot about him as a person. By the age of 23 he should have a lot more than 50 appearances under his belt and this, I suspect, is part of the reason the manager(s) don't rate him.
Of course, all my numbers above are made up but the thing is we do not know the finances to put the thing into context so should definitely not be jumping to conclusions about a players attitude here.
If he was on a ridiculous contract then maybe it's more understandable but it's unlikely to be life altering even with our owners.
He should be at the peak of his powers right now and he's knocking about with the u18's of a middling 3rd tier club.
Even if he's content to sit on his Charlton contract until it runs down, wasting career as he's currently doing can only lead to him soon not having any decent career at all.0 -
I agree, it looks like he can produce a moment of magic.cabbles said:I just have an appreciation for the type of magic Watt can do over the qualities Igor can bring that's all. I can't really explain it. Agree re: the farce that's gone on with both of them (and others). I guess the difficulty is Igor through no fault of his own got that shitty injury and looked pants when he came back, and Watt is lazy prat that needs more than a kick up the arse. Frustrating all round and handled badly by the club
And generally speaking, before laying in to Watt too much it'd be good to wait a few games and see what he can do now. It's possible that he'll have changed for the better. You never know.
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