FIFA Ban The Poppy
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The English badge itself is a political symbol - the Lions and the Rose are Heraldic symbols for the Royal Family. Republicans take note.4
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How about they design the Goal-Nets a snazzy red design like a flower with a black dot in the middle?
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It is easier to seek forgiveness than permission, and this should have been the approach taken by both FAs. They would have known what fifa's stance would've been well ahead of time.2
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There are much better ways to remember those who gave their lives than having a poppy sown into the international shirt. Seems a lot of fuss about nothing.
Let's remember those who gave their lives by DONATING some money to their causes and saying a silent prayer during the minutes silence.
This is what really matters.5 -
Seeing that they accepted last time (2011) surely means they cant decline this time?
Wonder if this is truly to do with the Poppy or whether it's to do with the English and United States FA's for exposing FIFA last year1 -
Tht is because Fifa is run by a Swiss and the Swiss are in bed with Germans and they are still bitter about the the two wars.5
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Dont forget the World Cup... Do Dah Do DahAddickFC81 said:Tht is because Fifa is run by a Swiss and the Swiss are in bed with Germans and they are still bitter about the the two wars.
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The stupid thing is this should not be an issue at all, and so-called 'poppy fascism' or 'anti-poppy' nonsense always without fail dominates the news cycle this time of year, as opposed to, you know, the actual reason why poppies are even a symbol in the first place.
If you want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to wear one without rebuke.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.20 -
Didn't think you was old enoughForeverAddickted said:
Dont forget the World Cup... Do Dah Do DahAddickFC81 said:Tht is because Fifa is run by a Swiss and the Swiss are in bed with Germans and they are still bitter about the the two wars.
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Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it
b) Engerland
c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)-1 -
Why is James McClean a wally?Fiiish said:
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke12 -
Excellent decision if only for the fact it winds up the mentally retarded Sun reading 'patriots' on here.
Some of them love England so much they don't even live there......1 -
Yes.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Is that what you think then?iainment said:
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.Fiiish said:
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.iainment said:
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.Fiiish said:FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.2 -
The Argentinian federation was fined a paltry 30k Swiss francs by FIFA for this:
So, IMO the FA (and the Scottish FA) should just do it anyway, take the financial hit, donate a similar amount to the Poppy Appeal and issue a joint press release basically saying we don't care what FIFA think.11 -
I agree with you completely.Fiiish said:The stupid thing is this should not be an issue at all, and so-called 'poppy fascism' or 'anti-poppy' nonsense always without fail dominates the news cycle this time of year, as opposed to, you know, the actual reason why poppies are even a symbol in the first place.
If you want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to wear one without rebuke.
If you don't want to wear a poppy, then you should be allowed to do so without rebuke.
Stop giving pointless column inches to poppy burners, that wally James McClean, Jon Snow, or whether Corbyn or whoever should be wearing a poppy.
If you're annoyed over whether or not someone else is wearing a flower, then you're the one with the problem.0 -
Everyone - If you've got something to say, say it quickly, as this thread will presumably be gone in about three hours.3
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I don't wear a poppy.Leuth said:Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it
b) Engerland
c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)0 -
I don't wear a poppy. Apart from anything else, experience tells me it always falls off approximately 10 minutes after you've put it on. (I notice this year they've got wrist bands and other things). BUT I do donate to the British Legion which, of course, runs the appeal and supports ex-service people.Leuth said:Just checking, CL: what do YOU wear the poppy for?
a) The tragedy of the courageous millions sent to slaughter in the name of Empire and Rule, that we might learn from this bitter time and strive as a world never to repeat it
b) Engerland
c) I believe we should live under martial law (see also: b)
Wearing one is the same as wearing any other charity's symbol. Like the little men for the prostate cancer charity which seem to be compulsory wear for football managers and the like.
But while the poppies on football shirts thing is harmless, (don't the shirts tend to be auctioned off for the Legion's coffers?), I do find those little enamel joint club badge/poppy badges a bit odd and a tacky affectation.
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Technically the poppies worn by the English and Scottish are different but I take your point.Uboat said:The fact that both sides want to wear the same thing means that common sense should be applied, though of course it won't be.
I do understand why FIFA don't want the precedent though, as a few well chosen symbols would certainly liven up some games, e.g. former Yugoslavia.
I think it's nonsense from FIFA and I'm sure a compromise could be found.0 -
[Moderator, moderated]Ormiston Addick said:Excellent decision if only for the fact it winds up the mentally retarded Sun reading 'patriots' on here.
Some of them love England so much they don't even live there......6 -
Told ya, here we go;i_b_b_o_r_g said:Ormiston Addick said:Excellent decision if only for the fact it winds up the mentally retarded Sun reading 'patriots' on here.
Some of them love England so much they don't even live there......
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Can anyone else hear the countdown music?4
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Is putting a printed poppy on a football team shirt is showing respect? The players themselves haven't made the choice so it's an empty gesture. Watch what they are wearing when they get off the coach and go to the dressing rooms. If they want to wear a poppy then they can make that decision themselves.
Printing it onto somebody shows no honour. It could even be considered disrespectful in its idiocy.
I suppose that it doesn't do any harm really, but I do think that FIFA, and even other European countries, find it rather incomprehensible how anyone can feel it honours the war dead.
Remember too that prior to this century poppies were never printed onto team shirts. Were we therefore disrespectful between 1945-2000ish?18 -
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!iainment said:
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.Fiiish said:
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.iainment said:
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.Fiiish said:FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.8 -
So it means different things to different people. That's the problem isn't it.bazjonster said:
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!iainment said:
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.Fiiish said:
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.iainment said:
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.Fiiish said:FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.2 -
You think the First World War was a fight for freedom?bazjonster said:
What a load of tosh!! How we mock what we don't understand!iainment said:
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.Fiiish said:
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.iainment said:
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.Fiiish said:FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.
And for others it represents respect for those who fought against tyranny and died to give others freedom! In particular WW1, where the poppy concept was born 'In Flanders Fields'. Have a read of Lt Col John McCrae's poem and maybe even get yourself over to the Ypres Salient for a visit. You may even find it educational and humbling!
PS: Yes, I am ex-military and yes, you got my back up! Good work.
From what?
And if you say 'Prussian militarism' I'll know you're pissing about.0 -
What a load of bollocks. The annual CL poppy debate with the expected combatants sniffing around each others arses for a chance to bite and longing for justified offence.0
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It is only political because of those from the left who want to make a political debate out of it.iainment said:
If it isn't political why the vapours about wearing it? For some it is a way of showing support for UK military adventurism over the years.Fiiish said:
Well it's not. Look up the definition of 'political' and it is pretty obvious that wearing a poppy does not fall under that category.iainment said:
FIFA haven't decided the poppy is a political symbol. They just recognised that it is. And applied their rules. That's all.Fiiish said:FIFA deciding that the poppy is a political symbol is in and of itself a political act. Thought they were meant to be politically neutral?
Now it could be considered a cultural symbol, which is something else entirely.4
