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Did anyone really do that about Cameron's child? It's hard to comprehend the mindsets of some. I wonder if the internet is making some people so horrible or if it was always that way.
The Farage joke isn't as bad as that, but if a UKIP candidate made a joke about a woman who'd had a mastectomy ("I bet her husband feels a right tit" or something), we'd be hearing plenty of calls for his resignation. It's fair to apply the same standards.1 -
(I can't tell you how much I am trying to resist the urge to say that if Farage really is upset about a joke tweeted by a member of another party, he really needs to grow a pair).-1
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Don't forget that when Maggie died, people were dancing in the streets - what's the difference from a respect point of view?
Camerons child
Farage at lunch
Thatcher dying
People said/did things about the above that were upsetting to others.
Is anything off limits?
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Maybe he could borrow one off your intersex mates?Chizz said:(I can't tell you how much I am trying to resist the urge to say that if Farage really is upset about a joke tweeted by a member of another party, he really needs to grow a pair).
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Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
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Quite happy to laugh at cancer but goes into meltdown if anyone uses a commonly used term to describe gypsies.Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
Farage had to have a testicle removed due to cancer2 -
Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
Farage had to have a testicle removed due to cancer
I've got a mate who survived testicular cancer and has an implant to replace the one he lost. He makes a huge joke out of it because he refuses to let that horrible disease hang over him like a spectre. I remember a time he hung it out his fly and whacked it with a spoon to freak out a lad who was unaware of his ''loss" and it still remains one of the funniest things I've ever seen (there was a lot of alcohol involved tbf).2 -
Yes but thats your mate taking the piss out of himself. I wonder how he would feel about a stranger coming up and pinging his ping pong ball?3
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That's fair enough. Each to their own.Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
Farage had to have a testicle removed due to cancer
In fairness, I think the joke is more about his political aspirations and persuasions than it is about "suffering" from cancer.
I wouldn't mock someone about life-threatening illness. I just reflected that there's a huge gulf between a joke about Farage and a "joke" about Cameron's child. Farage is a public figure and quite able to look after himself; Cameron's son should never have been the subject of mockery, jokes or, for that matter, political debate.0 -
I am not "laughing at cancer". Far from it. If you think the joke is about cancer, then you've mis-read it.DaveMehmet said:
Quite happy to laugh at cancer but goes into meltdown if anyone uses a commonly used term to describe gypsies.Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
Farage had to have a testicle removed due to cancer
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I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.0
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His condition is a result of cancer though.Chizz said:
I am not "laughing at cancer". Far from it. If you think the joke is about cancer, then you've mis-read it.DaveMehmet said:
Quite happy to laugh at cancer but goes into meltdown if anyone uses a commonly used term to describe gypsies.Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
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Curb_It said:
Yes but thats your mate taking the piss out of himself. I wonder how he would feel about a stranger coming up and pinging his ping pong ball?
About as well as if he heard a stranger referring to his implant as a 'ping pong ball'...........
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Well the other part of the joke is comparing him to Adolf Hitler, or calling him a Nazi, which again is not on for a politician to do. Especially a Green, given that a lot of their policies that would be keystones of a National Socialist party's manifesto, and people only compare Farage to a Nazi because they've run out of other ways to attack him since there are no similarities between Farage and a Nazi.Chizz said:
That's fair enough. Each to their own.Fiiish said:
Fair enough. Don't know if you've ever met a cancer survivor but when you do feel free to mock them about their life-threatening illness and see how well they react. I've lost close friends and family to the disease and don't think it is something a politician should be joking about.Chizz said:
I think these two things are miles apart. The joke about Farage - whilst it's in bad taste - is actually quite funny. Jibes about Cameron having a disabled child; and mocking the child's death; are beyond the pale.Fiiish said:
Just like those who mocked Cameron for having a disabled child, and then mocking him after he died. The thing is if they're having to resort to attacking a person like this, it means they have run out of arguments on their policies.brogib said:More nonsense from a prospective Green Party MP.
A Ukip source said: "Ms Ross should probably resign her candidacy and donate her deposit to a cancer charity.”
Ross has responded: “No surprise Kippers don’t like dark humour…”
Farage had to have a testicle removed due to cancer
In fairness, I think the joke is more about his political aspirations and persuasions than it is about "suffering" from cancer.
I wouldn't mock someone about life-threatening illness. I just reflected that there's a huge gulf between a joke about Farage and a "joke" about Cameron's child. Farage is a public figure and quite able to look after himself; Cameron's son should never have been the subject of mockery, jokes or, for that matter, political debate.2 -
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See, less than flattering but hey, it's a photo so obviously defines the man.
The camera never lies Fiiish 0 -
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Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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Disabled people have frequently cited the damage caused to them by the bedroom tax.Fiiish said:
Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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Which, under its correct name and not the propaganda name under-occupancy penalty, was introduced by IDS, not Cameron personally.seth plum said:
Disabled people have frequently cited the damage caused to them by the bedroom tax.Fiiish said:
Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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DLA has been abolished and replaced with PIP, which has much more stringent criteria for the highest levels of support, and the assessment process is widely reputed to be horribly flawed. And that's before we get into all the issues surrounding the way the disabled have been hit by the various other welfare reforms.Fiiish said:
Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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Ian Duncan Smith, former leader of the Conservative Party, but has nothing to do with David Cameron, and is a maverick politician able to introduce penalties he has thought up quite independent of the party he previously ran, but is now run by David Cameron?Fiiish said:
Which, under its correct name and not the propaganda name under-occupancy penalty, was introduced by IDS, not Cameron personally.seth plum said:
Disabled people have frequently cited the damage caused to them by the bedroom tax.Fiiish said:
Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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It's certainly a new twist on how I understood cabinet government was run!seth plum said:
Ian Duncan Smith, former leader of the Conservative Party, but has nothing to do with David Cameron, and is a maverick politician able to introduce penalties he has thought up quite independent of the party he previously ran, but is now run by David Cameron?Fiiish said:
Which, under its correct name and not the propaganda name under-occupancy penalty, was introduced by IDS, not Cameron personally.seth plum said:
Disabled people have frequently cited the damage caused to them by the bedroom tax.Fiiish said:
Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government, so really his dead son was being used as propaganda to support a lie.aliwibble said:I'd also suggest there's a difference between mocking Cameron for having a disabled child, and pointing out the hypocrisy of him claiming DLA for his own son and then removing that support for many disabled people once in Government.
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So if you end up with only one bollock, does that make you one of those 'intersexers'?0
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It's been pretty standard practice for Government that the buck stops with the minister of you're looking to blame someone, hence why Blair never stepped down but had a Home Secretary revolving door for all the cock-ups that occurred in that department. I suggest if you're a novice regarding conventions and procedure in UK government there are a range of textbooks which are suitable for Key Stage 4 and upwards.0
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Wonder if that Green bird's tasteless tweet will make the national news the way it would if a UKIP candidate had tweeted the same thing about any other party leader? I'll have a look at ten pm and see.
Wonder if Bennet will have suspended her by then. No doubt the Beeb will enlighten me at ten.3 -
I think this might be addressed to me.Fiiish said:It's been pretty standard practice for Government that the buck stops with the minister of you're looking to blame someone, hence why Blair never stepped down but had a Home Secretary revolving door for all the cock-ups that occurred in that department. I suggest if you're a novice regarding conventions and procedure in UK government there are a range of textbooks which are suitable for Key Stage 4 and upwards.
My post was in reply to this:
'Except he didn't remove support from any disabled people in Government'
So are you saying that 'conventions and procedures' operated by Ian Duncan Smith are not under the auspices of David Cameron?
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Fiiish, I have to say that I am more right than left, but on this occasion, you are being ridiculous.
You can't say that the PM is not responsible for govenment policy.2 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_ministerial_responsibilityCovered End said:Fiiish, I have to say that I am more right than left, but on this occasion, you are being ridiculous.
You can't say that the PM is not responsible for govenment policy.
Individual ministerial responsibility is a constitutional convention in governments using the Westminster System that a cabinet minister bears the ultimate responsibility for the actions of their ministry or department.0 -
Most religion is mumbo jumbo. Or was Darwin wrong?Jints said:
Honestly wouldn't know where to start and it would be pointless too anyway. If you really think that e.g. "we can no longer have religion in our schools", nothing I can say will persuade you otherwise.WayneK said:
What's wrong with the content?Jints said:Jeez, Granpa. I don't know what's worse in that rant, the content or the formatting.
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