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  • I heard an interview this morning with some chump from The Unions and Socialist party (or similar) who got 48 votes in this election - up from 24 last time though. What's the point ?

    There was clearly a big agenda against Farage in the election (Public School Working Class Barman Al Murray FFS) but what they do within their party about the leadership shouldn't be a concern for anyone who isn't a member and / or doesn't vote for them.

    Unless 4million votes is beginning to scare a few people.

  • Watched Question Time last night and the amount of bitterness from the fellow panelists and audience about Farage still being a leader was clear to see. He came across very well.
  • The bitterness about Farage continuing as leader appears to be mainly within UKIP itself.
  • Jints said:

    The bitterness about Farage continuing as leader appears to be mainly within UKIP itself.

    Does it? Really?
  • Yes. Really.
  • Oh okay
  • E-cafc said:

    He was head of a branch in 1978? Is that the best you can come up with? What a pile of bollocks!

    Instead of digging up ancient relics try and look a bit closer to the modern day.

    There are dozens of Lab/Lib Con candidates with strong links to the BNP who have stood
    over the last few years. Do you think it's just a UKIP thing then?


    That's interesting. Which ones?
  • Don't shoot the messenger, but Trevor Maxfield for one....
  • ....or maybe it's Maxford
  • ....definitely a Trevor though

    ; )
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  • Maureen Stowe became a Labour councillor having defected from the BNP
  • Margaret Burke is a councillor for Labour in Milton Keynes having been in command of a notorious neo Nazi group
  • Chizz said:

    E-cafc said:

    He was head of a branch in 1978? Is that the best you can come up with? What a pile of bollocks!

    Instead of digging up ancient relics try and look a bit closer to the modern day.

    There are dozens of Lab/Lib Con candidates with strong links to the BNP who have stood
    over the last few years. Do you think it's just a UKIP thing then?


    That's interesting. Which ones?
    You know what? I knew someone would post a request like that instead of getting off their arse and having a look for themselves. So, do you think something from 1978 is relevant to today? Here's a few below for you to have a browse through:

    Peter Moseley Tory Candidate South Kestevan- BNP member 2014
    Lionel Buck Tory Candidate Ashfield Notts- confessed BNP member
    Andrew Emerson Labour candidate Chichester- Joined BNP 2005
    Trevor Maxfield Labour candidate Darwen- BNP member 2004 and a friend of Nick Griffin
    Edgar Griffin aide of Ian Duncan Smith expelled for strong links to BNP
    Anthony Meleady Labour candidate BNP member 2010
    Mathew Martin Tory, stood in Greenwich in 2010 BNP member
    Roger Hogg Tory Maidstone posted on his facebook page about no more mosques. Links to BNP

    There's a few, if you want more go and find them. You can go all the way back to 1978 if you like!
  • Chizz said:

    E-cafc said:

    He was head of a branch in 1978? Is that the best you can come up with? What a pile of bollocks!

    Instead of digging up ancient relics try and look a bit closer to the modern day.

    There are dozens of Lab/Lib Con candidates with strong links to the BNP who have stood
    over the last few years. Do you think it's just a UKIP thing then?


    That's interesting. Which ones?
    Have you ever heard of Google?
  • edited May 2015
    @Chizz

    Here is a box:

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    Now get back in it ;)

  • edited May 2015
    @E-cafc has made a really interesting suggestion, that "closer to the modern day... there are dozens of Lab/Lib Con candidates with strong links to the BNP.

    Lots of people, including @brogib @cafcnick1992 and @E-cafc have come up with some names. So it's worth delving a bit deeper into whether these people who have had in the past (or maybe still have) affiliations with the abhorrent BNP have gone on to become Parliamentary candidates in this year's election.

    Of the names suggested, on the Labour side, Trevor Maxfield was not a candidate at the general election. Nor was Maureen Stowe. Nor was Anthony Meleady. Nor was Margaret Burke. Andrew Emerson appears to have fought the Chichester constituency election, but not as a Labour candidate.

    And of the Conservative names mentioned, I don't think Peter Moseley was a Parliamentary candidate this year. Lionel Buck was Chairman of Ashfield Conservatives before moving to the BNP. Edgar Griffin (Nick's father) was Ian Duncan Smith's advisor, but I don't think he ever stood for Parliament. I don't think Matthew Martin stood for the Tories this time round.

    So, while it's interesting that there are several people with links to the disgusting BNP who have either switched to or from the largest parties, I haven't yet seen any evidence that "dozens" of Labour, Liberal Democrat or even Conservative candidates are former BNP activists.

    I don't know which way your political allegiance lies @e-cafc so I am certainly not suggesting you are an apologist for Ukip. But we often hear when yet another embarrassing, stupid, thoughtless act is perpetrated, tweeted or said out loud by a 'Kipper, that the same goes for all the other parties but "we never hear about it". That is nonsense.

    In this case, someone - or some people - close to Nigel "I am proud to have taken a third of the BNP's support" Farage have been outed as BNP sympathisers. And, in this case, the knee-jerk response is "well it happens to every party". Only it doesn't.
  • What about Tom?
  • brogib said:

    What about Tom?

    Don't think Tom's ever been a BNP member.
  • What's wrong with being a 'ukip apologist' anyway?

    4 million people voted for them and have political opinions that are AS legimitate as anyone else's.
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  • What's wrong with being a 'ukip apologist' anyway?

    4 million people voted for them and have political opinions that are AS legimitate as anyone else's.

    There's nothing "wrong" with being an apologist for Ukip. I merely stated that I wasn't suggesting that @E-cafc was one.
  • Kind of want to drop a 400-word satire-bomb on this thread, kind of can't be asked
  • Leuth said:

    Kind of want to drop a 400-word satire-bomb on this thread, kind of can't be asked

    Oh go on it'll be such a laugh
  • yeah, we'll all like your post in acknowledgement of how much you've enlightened us
  • Leuth said:

    Kind of want to drop a 400-word satire-bomb on this thread, kind of can't be asked

    Oh go on it'll be such a laugh
    Oh you. I won't know whether to rip it out of UKIP, those who criticise UKIP, myself or the political discourse, or all of the above, then hurl myself down a lift-shaft
  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Kind of want to drop a 400-word satire-bomb on this thread, kind of can't be asked

    Oh go on it'll be such a laugh
    Oh you. I won't know whether to rip it out of UKIP, those who criticise UKIP, myself or the political discourse, or all of the above, then hurl myself down a lift-shaft
    Already been done that one...Hatton Garden.
  • brogib said:

    ....definitely a Trevor though

    ; )

    McDonut ?
  • There are 1,400 reasons why you should not trust Labour again. Vote Jack Clarkson for

    @SouthyorkPCC on 30th October pic.twitter.com/IevLUnudis— UKIP (@UKIP) October 25, 2014
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    There are 1,400 reasons why you should not trust Labour again. Vote Jack Clarkson for @SouthyorkPCC on 30th October pic.twitter.com/IevLUnudis

    — UKIP (@UKIP) October 25, 2014

    Just to make this clear: UKIP are using images invoking child sexual abuse to promote their campaign for the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner election. Unbelievable .
  • There are 1,400 reasons why you should not trust Labour again. Vote Jack Clarkson for

    @SouthyorkPCC on 30th October pic.twitter.com/IevLUnudis— UKIP (@UKIP) October 25, 2014
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    There are 1,400 reasons why you should not trust Labour again. Vote Jack Clarkson for @SouthyorkPCC on 30th October pic.twitter.com/IevLUnudis

    — UKIP (@UKIP) October 25, 2014
  • edited October 2016
    So after Diane James quit as UKIP leader after 18 days http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065.

    Today Steven Woolfe is in a serious condition after an altercation with UKIP MEP's. He collapsed afterwards.

    It would appear that he was punched, hit his head on a window & later collapsed with a bleed on the brain.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe--in-serious-condition-af/
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