Weird penalty (goal or no goal?) : Afghanistan vs Maldives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8TeCUcMiSE Comments
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Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.1 -
Doesn't the ref have the power to decide whether the behaviour is unsporting or not? If I was the ref, I would have deemed it to be - I think, but you can argue that some keepers waving their hands all over the place is unsporting too!1
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How can an accident be unsporting? Also, as per the rule stated above, he didn't feint once at the ball.MuttleyCAFC said:Doesn't the ref have the power to decide whether the behaviour is unsporting or not? If I was the ref, I would have deemed it to be - I think, but you can argue that some keepers waving their hands all over the place is unsporting too!
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You think that was an accident?!2
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It is an old prat fall trick from the theatre, and he glances at the referee too, unsporting behaviour.2
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Nothing at all wrong with that0
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Even if it's in the rules there's quite a lot wrong with that !paulie8290 said:Nothing at all wrong with that
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Booking for Ungentlemanly conduct. Retake of penalty.1
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Then it's confirmed. No goal.paulie8290 said:Nothing at all wrong with that
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So if Suarez did this in the World Cup v England, you wouldn't have anything to say about it?paulie8290 said:Nothing at all wrong with that
Unsporting and cheap.0 -
I wouldn't if Rooney done it...0
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I wouldn't want to win like that - sometimes you get reminders that football has sunk as low as it can. At least we as fans should be outraged.0
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Read the rule quoted above. Perfectly legal. You may not be happy with the morality if it wasn't an accident but as he wasn't at the ball there's no offence even if it was on purpose.0
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Is it legal for the penalty taker to shoot the keeper before taking the penalty? I'm not sure it says you can't in the laws of the game. I think the question mark would be under the ungentlemanly conduct rule. This has to be interpreted by the referee as context is everything in this respect.0
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Shooting the 'keeper would be violent behaviour and therefore a straight red. The three match ban would probably be served whilst on remand.MuttleyCAFC said:Is it legal for the penalty taker to shoot the keeper before taking the penalty? I'm not sure it says you can't in the laws of the game. I think the question mark would be under the ungentlemanly conduct rule. This has to be interpreted by the referee as context is everything in this respect.
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forgot he'd already been awarded a penalty and dived cause he was in the area.0
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Yes, but it would be disallowed under a law outside the penalty one. A ref could deem falling over on purpose to be unsporting behaviour - that is my point. This one clearly didn't. If it wasn't a one off - I'm sure FIFA would cover it by guiding refs that it is unsporting behaviour.AddicksAddict said:
Shooting the 'keeper would be violent behaviour and therefore a straight red. The three match ban would probably be served whilst on remand.MuttleyCAFC said:Is it legal for the penalty taker to shoot the keeper before taking the penalty? I'm not sure it says you can't in the laws of the game. I think the question mark would be under the ungentlemanly conduct rule. This has to be interpreted by the referee as context is everything in this respect.
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Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.1 -
Does it depend on interpretation of the laws of the game though ?Mortimerician said:
Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.
A player should be cautioned for the offence :
Acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game.
In my view this is relevant in the players behaviour. Certainly a trick designed to put the goalkeeper off purely and simply. Lack of respect for the game in my view.
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I agreeShootersHillGuru said:
Does it depend on interpretation of the laws of the game though ?Mortimerician said:
Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.
A player should be cautioned for the offence :
Acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game.
In my view this is relevant in the players behaviour. Certainly a trick designed to put the goalkeeper off purely and simply. Lack of respect for the game in my view.0 -
He didn't feint in the run-up, he fainted.0
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Ok a question then
If he was on a yellow card and then got booked for this - what happens to the penno? Does someone else take it? Don't they have to name the 5 penalty takers?
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Hang on, are you asking if a player could be sent off DURING a penalty shoot-out? Because that would be AMAZING.Swisdom said:Ok a question then
If he was on a yellow card and then got booked for this - what happens to the penno? Does someone else take it? Don't they have to name the 5 penalty takers?
Just wonder if it's ever happened0 -
I presume they move to the next - a player can be sent off after the game so it is possible in the shoot out - just unlikely as players find it difficult to do anything worthy of a red card in this situation.0
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How is it in the rules, he never got to the ball so its not an infringementse9addick said:
Even if it's in the rules there's quite a lot wrong with that !paulie8290 said:Nothing at all wrong with that
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Exactly the point I've been trying to make. Perhaps I was too tactful and should have been more colourful with my vocabulary.Mortimerician said:
Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.0 -
Shooting the keeper would definitely get a red.MuttleyCAFC said:I presume they move to the next - a player can be sent off after the game so it is possible in the shoot out - just unlikely as players find it difficult to do anything worthy of a red card in this situation.
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The rule is quite explicit in allowing attempts to confuse the keeper.ShootersHillGuru said:
Does it depend on interpretation of the laws of the game though ?Mortimerician said:
Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.
A player should be cautioned for the offence :
Acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game.
In my view this is relevant in the players behaviour. Certainly a trick designed to put the goalkeeper off purely and simply. Lack of respect for the game in my view.0 -
Yes that's why I said interpretation of the laws is the thing here. The rules do allow for feinting during the run up but where does the line get crossed into unsporting behaviour ? In this case I think it does.AddicksAddict said:
The rule is quite explicit in allowing attempts to confuse the keeper.ShootersHillGuru said:
Does it depend on interpretation of the laws of the game though ?Mortimerician said:
Sums it up, referencing only the facts. The rest of the thread is just uninformed shite.cafcfan said:Great watch! This is the FIFA rule interpretation:
"Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted
as part of football. However, feinting to kick the ball once the player has
completed his run-up is considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of
unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
So, in this example as the player just fell over, whether on purpose or not, in his run up before getting anywhere near the ball, I reckon the ref was correct to allow the goal.
A player should be cautioned for the offence :
Acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game.
In my view this is relevant in the players behaviour. Certainly a trick designed to put the goalkeeper off purely and simply. Lack of respect for the game in my view.
I ask this question. If Johnnie Jackson did this at a The Valley would you be happy with that or think that he was going too far and acting outside of the spirit of the game ? I know what I think.
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