RIP to Virginia Giuffre as I said earlier, but prescience words when a person goes on the record to say if I die young it won't be suicide but of course it can be the depression that led to her death in Australia where she was attempting to move on from her past. The millions that came from 'No sweat Windsor' couldn't soothe her troubled mind after her teenage years of abuse.
We can move on from the shocking death of Diana. So no one on here thinks there's anything suspicious about Epstein death in his cell ? Just another nutty conspiracy?
95% *of conspiracy theories are bonkers and the non moon landings are in the same category as the flat earth believers.
Maybe a thread offering condolences to a shamefully treated victim of horrendous crimes losing her life isn't the right place to squabble like juveniles about conspiracy theories.
If I believed the family of Virginia Giuffre would be taking comfort from the condolences offered on this thread, then I'd tend to agree.
If this thread were critical of Virginia Giuffre, then I'd tend to agree.
But it's neither.
What it is is a discussion on one of a number of forums linked to a 3rd division football club.
In about 3 days time this thread will slip rapidly down the rankings into oblivion, alongside thousands of other threads.
Don't get too stressed, eh.
Well said 👏🏼
Now I have to defend myself about being called a nutter; though slightly eccentric I confess.
You believe ALL conspiracy theories are nutters where I believe a few especially concerning Royalty, Church and Governments shouldn't just be dismissed as that what they tried to do with the Post office scandal which led to suicides and prison sentences against individuals who were wronged.
You and anyone are naive if you don't believe that loyalists to Church, Royalty and Governments don't turn a blind eye to shocking abuse.
John Smyth the abuser who was sponsored by the last Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby in African even after he had been told over 30 years of his abuse of teenage boys in England including his own son who had a breakdown because of the abuse. So that isn't a conspiracy? Plus other Senior archbishops knew. It took the
Conspiracy: A secret plan to do something unlawful or harmful.
These are Welby's own words when he finally quit:
" I have decided to resign as Archbishop of Canterbury. The Makin report has exposed the long- maintained Conspiracy of silence about the heinous abuses of John Smyth.
Maybe a thread offering condolences to a shamefully treated victim of horrendous crimes losing her life isn't the right place to squabble like juveniles about conspiracy theories.
If I believed the family of Virginia Giuffre would be taking comfort from the condolences offered on this thread, then I'd tend to agree.
If this thread were critical of Virginia Giuffre, then I'd tend to agree.
But it's neither.
What it is is a discussion on one of a number of forums linked to a 3rd division football club.
In about 3 days time this thread will slip rapidly down the rankings into oblivion, alongside thousands of other threads.
Don't get too stressed, eh.
Well said 👏🏼
Now I have to defend myself about being called a nutter though many folk who have meet me may agree.
You believe ALL conspiracy theories are nutters where I believe a few especially concerning Royalty, Church and Governments shouldn't just be dismissed as that what they tried to do with the Post office scandal which led to suicides and prison sentences against individuals who were wronged.
Fair enough (but you are a nutter, for supporting Charlton if nothing else ).
I'm of the view that appropriate enquiry and the passage of time ultimately dismisses most conspiracy theories, but I agree that until such point as that is complete then healthy challenge is the right course of action.
The PO is a good example - I could have assumed that the actions of the PO were correct, and that the allegations of a system issue were thieves covering their tracks.
Maybe a thread offering condolences to a shamefully treated victim of horrendous crimes losing her life isn't the right place to squabble like juveniles about conspiracy theories.
If I believed the family of Virginia Giuffre would be taking comfort from the condolences offered on this thread, then I'd tend to agree.
If this thread were critical of Virginia Giuffre, then I'd tend to agree.
But it's neither.
What it is is a discussion on one of a number of forums linked to a 3rd division football club.
In about 3 days time this thread will slip rapidly down the rankings into oblivion, alongside thousands of other threads.
Don't get too stressed, eh.
Well said 👏🏼
Now I have to defend myself about being called a nutter though many folk who have meet me may agree.
You believe ALL conspiracy theories are nutters where I believe a few especially concerning Royalty, Church and Governments shouldn't just be dismissed as that what they tried to do with the Post office scandal which led to suicides and prison sentences against individuals who were wronged.
Fair enough (but you are a nutter, for supporting Charlton if nothing else ).
I'm of the view that appropriate enquiry and the passage of time ultimately dismisses most conspiracy theories, but I agree that until such point as that is complete then healthy challenge is the right course of action.
The PO is a good example - I could have assumed that the actions of the PO were correct, and that the allegations of a system issue were thieves covering their tracks.
I'm guilty as charged 🤷🏻♂️ and pleased we could find some common ground. 🗣️ It's good to talk 👍🏻 Have a nice day.
I’ve not followed the sad life of this women but I still have questions regarding her parents for allowing her to jet off with these people at such a young age. Photos of her with the Prince in London…how was she allowed in this country or other countries. Does flying on a private plane excuse you from immigration controls?
So for anyone who thought Virginia Giuffre just wanted a payout, the multi millions that came from Andrew No sweat Windsor and any other money that came her way from books and interviews after the Epstein and Maxwell sex trafficking ring then I would say the troubled soul never recovered from the demons from her teenage years when she was exploited.
People who upset powerful institutions or know where the bodies are buried do have a habit of turning up dead. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that both Princess Diana and Virginia Giuffre predicted their own demise🤔
RIP Virginia Giuffre
It was probably the lizard Prince Philip, who never really died but is busy in the tunnels under Westminster…
Deary me.
Welcome David Icke🤦🏻♂️ You're talking shit not me even mentioning that rubbish about Foot in the mouth Phil.
As I said it's probably a coincidence that both woman predicted their demise but its never a good career move to upset the powerful institutions.
If you go down the conspiracy route (which you did - don't deny it - see quote below), then I'm going to liken you to any other conspiracy nutter. David Icke will do fine.
"People who upset powerful institutions or know where the bodies are buried do have a habit of turning up dead. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that both Princess Diana and Virginia Giuffre predicted their own demise🤔"
What a naive life you must lead if you didn't think there was anything slightly suspicious about the body guard having his seat belt on and ending up with amnesia while the paparazzi guy who's car clipped the Princesses car committed suicide. The paparazzi guys I know( used to work with a couple at the AP) just don't have the sensitivity to commit suicide but ok the driver was drunk if it suits your narrative.
The comparison between your comments about Lizards are just weird. Does anyone who ever finds it hard to believe the reason given in famous deaths like Princess Diana, JFK and Martin Luther King all nutters if they are a tad dubious with the official statement.
95% of Conspiracy theories are very doubtful but not all of them.
The problem with these types of conspiracy theories is that they ignore one of the most fundamental human impulses; to talk.
If Diana or any of the other people you refer to had been assassinated in some underhanded conspiracy which was then successfully covered up then a multitude of people would need to be involved and almost none of them could be trusted to keep quiet for the remainder of their lives, it’s just human nature.
Conspiracy theories like this are exciting, but completely flawed. Make believe should be a thing we get past after childhood.
Don’t be so naive…
Correct not naive. And as someone said earlier, the time to do Giuffre would have been much sooner. Some people just can't help themselves with conspiracy theories and usually believe in several
There was probably a larger circle of people involved than those who came to be associated through media reports. Among them, Prince Andrew and the Maxwell woman are still alive.
This chap Jean-Luc Brunel i hadn't heard of previously but passed in 2022, by hanging himself in a French prison.
Jean-Luc Brunel: Epstein associate found dead in Paris
prison cell
No doubt there are plenty of other Epstein associates out there still thriving which would help to discourage any conspiracising. But they are probably keeping their heads down, understandably.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers - her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse - including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more - have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers—her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse—including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more—have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
Let us not forget that rather than pursue the matter in court,Virginia took took Andrews money,I personally would have loved to see him on the stand,but that will never happen so justice really has not been served.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers—her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse—including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more—have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
Let us not forget that rather than pursue the matter in court,Virginia took took Andrews money,I personally would have loved to see him on the stand,but that will never happen so justice really has not been served.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers—her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse—including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more—have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
Let us not forget that rather than pursue the matter in court,Virginia took took Andrews money,I personally would have loved to see him on the stand,but that will never happen so justice really has not been served.
he could still be charged and stand trial
Not much point if the main witness is no longer with us.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers - her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse - including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more - have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
I wonder how many troubled souls like Virginia,who dont get in the news because of the celebrity status of their abusers,commit suicide without anyone taking the slightest interest.We have the Rochdale,and Rotherham scandals which were appalling,I am pretty sure some of the victims would have considered suicide.Unfortunately the government have decreed for some reason that sleeping dogs must lie and no further enquiry is needed,and the abuse will no doubt continue unhindered.
It's important not to let this thread drift into unrelated territory. Virginia Giuffre was a courageous woman who helped expose powerful abusers—her death deserves space for reflection, not deflection.
That said, the idea that the government has "let sleeping dogs lie" isn’t accurate. Multiple public inquiries into child sexual abuse—including Rochdale, Rotherham, and more—have taken place. The government continues to fund new investigations, support survivors and strengthen safeguarding laws following the IICSA’s final report. Thankfully, another grooming gang, this time from Greater Manchester, was given very lengthy sentences this week. Curiosity, this seems to have been overlooked by most of the popular media.
Many victims still go unheard—but turning Virginia’s story into a generalised attack on inquiry efforts does a disservice to her legacy and the broader fight for justice.
Let us not forget that rather than pursue the matter in court,Virginia took took Andrews money,I personally would have loved to see him on the stand,but that will never happen so justice really has not been served.
he could still be charged and stand trial
Not much point if the main witness is no longer with us.
Still possible as she was not the only possible witness. They had ample opportunity.
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RIP to Virginia Giuffre as I said earlier, but prescience words when a person goes on the record to say if I die young it won't be suicide but of course it can be the depression that led to her death in Australia where she was attempting to move on from her past. The millions that came from 'No sweat Windsor' couldn't soothe her troubled mind after her teenage years of abuse.
We can move on from the shocking death of Diana.
So no one on here thinks there's anything suspicious about Epstein death in his cell ? Just another nutty conspiracy?
95% *of conspiracy theories are bonkers and the non moon landings are in the same category as the flat earth believers.
*Estimate as it's probably higher.
Well said 👏🏼
Now I have to defend myself about being called a nutter; though slightly eccentric I confess.
You believe ALL conspiracy theories are nutters where I believe a few especially concerning Royalty, Church and Governments shouldn't just be dismissed as that what they tried to do with the Post office scandal which led to suicides and prison sentences against individuals who were wronged.
You and anyone are naive if you don't believe that loyalists to Church, Royalty and Governments don't turn a blind eye to shocking abuse.
John Smyth the abuser who was sponsored by the last Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby in African even after he had been told over 30 years of his abuse of teenage boys in England including his own son who had a breakdown because of the abuse. So that isn't a conspiracy? Plus other Senior archbishops knew.
It took the
Conspiracy: A secret plan to do something unlawful or harmful.
These are Welby's own words when he finally quit:
" I have decided to resign as Archbishop of Canterbury.
The Makin report has exposed the long- maintained Conspiracy of silence about the heinous abuses of John Smyth.
I'm of the view that appropriate enquiry and the passage of time ultimately dismisses most conspiracy theories, but I agree that until such point as that is complete then healthy challenge is the right course of action.
The PO is a good example - I could have assumed that the actions of the PO were correct, and that the allegations of a system issue were thieves covering their tracks.
I'm guilty as charged 🤷🏻♂️ and pleased we could find some common ground. 🗣️ It's good to talk 👍🏻
Have a nice day.
There was probably a larger circle of people involved than those who came to be associated through media reports. Among them, Prince Andrew and the Maxwell woman are still alive.
This chap Jean-Luc Brunel i hadn't heard of previously but passed in 2022, by hanging himself in a French prison.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60443518
Jean-Luc Brunel: Epstein associate found dead in Paris prison cell
No doubt there are plenty of other Epstein associates out there still thriving which would help to discourage any conspiracising. But they are probably keeping their heads down, understandably.