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That last ball is wait we should have been bowling to Washington. Our bowlers dont seem to go into 20/20 mode & bowl slower balls or YorkersKBslittlesis said:Creepy ffs1 -
Duckett and Crawley put on fifty plus opening partnerships in both innings of the current Test. It's the fifth time they've done that.
England openers managed that twice in eleven years prior to Duckett and Crawley coming together as an opening partnership.1 -
Akash Deep scored 66 so the pitch should be conducive to more runs.
I heard someone on site say Crawley has a great average against fast bowlers (with a view to AU), so that's part of why he keeps his place. I don't blame him for the wicket, him and Duckett were trying to play test cricket. Siraj is a bell end but we need characters and villains in all sports.
Woakes is a big miss just for being a 'body', but I think England would be winning this if Stokes was there with a couple of earlier wickets and a few runs.
India fans were fun. They turned the concourse into football style chanting. Unfortunately I think that Crawley wicket's changed all momentum and now we're effectively 50/2.6 -
Eering on the side of us losing this tbh. Pope won’t put up a fight, root might, brook seems to blow hot and cold and is blowing cold, bethell is too much to expect too soon and smith can get quick runs, but eh. Needed a great start and only got a decent one.0
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Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?3 -
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?0 -
I would have given Dawson another game. He's a decent enough No 7 bat.Chizz said:
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?3 -
Jimmy White's grandson on Surrey's books. Is nobody safe from Surrey's grasp?2
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He plays for Surrey? England selectors must be interested then…killerandflash said:Jimmy White's grandson on Surrey's books. Is nobody safe from Surrey's grasp?3 -
It was strange and as I intimated previously I believe that it was McCullum, Stokes and Key's desire to find a place for Bethell, despite his lack of experience as a red ball bowler, that decided Dawson's fate.killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?
It is difficult to understand how you can go into a Test match without a credible fifth option when the four bowlers are all seamers, with one of those playing his fifth match in the Series, another without many miles under the belt in recent times in coming back from injury and a third that has only played one Test match previously and who has a current record of 4-310 and an economy rate of 4.13 in Test cricket?
Of course, Bethell making a match winning contribution with the bat will justify that decision. It always is and always has been what's ultimately in the scorebook.
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That was absolutely plum. Complete waste of a review0
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Does nobody just walk these days? Did Root recommend reviewing because he takes the review each and every time?0
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One of the worst reviews I’ve ever seen0
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Ridiculous review by Pope and Root there. You don't review for the 1% chance it might be missing, when you're only 2 or 3 down. That review might be crucial if England somehow get within 50 of the total.2
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So many reviews get burned by the best top order players, Gill being another. Siraj got a poor one because the top order had burned the reviews.Addick Addict said:Does nobody just walk these days? Did Root recommend reviewing because he takes the review each and every time?2 -
Some of those from the likes of Root and Kohli have been as bad. They never want to be back in the hutch in the knowledge that they might not be out "just in case". Reviews are meant to be for obvious mistakes and with "umpires call" meaning a review isn't lost, perhaps it's time that we went to one review a side. Then the person wasting that opportunity would become far more accountable and less time would be lost.arny23394 said:One of the worst reviews I’ve ever seen0 -
For anyone not watching Sky or are at the match:
Ollie Pope test batting:
1st Innings Average 52.14
2nd innings Average 42.09
3rd innings Average 22.52
4th innings Average 16.70
That is quite an amazing stat.
I would like to see other players average to compare !
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Doesn’t make any sense to bowl him for 50 overs and then drop him first opportunity. Also weird that rehan ahmed no longer gets a look in.killerandflash said:
I would have given Dawson another game. He's a decent enough No 7 bat.Chizz said:
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?0 -
All set up for Bethell to get his maiden FC century and score the winning runs0
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There's an inconsistency, in that while they talk about giving players chance to establish themselves and play their natural game, both Cook and Dawson have had one game only.Diebythesword said:
Doesn’t make any sense to bowl him for 50 overs and then drop him first opportunity. Also weird that rehan ahmed no longer gets a look in.killerandflash said:
I would have given Dawson another game. He's a decent enough No 7 bat.Chizz said:
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?1 -
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Matt Parkinson was another…killerandflash said:
There's an inconsistency, in that while they talk about giving players chance to establish themselves and play their natural game, both Cook and Dawson have had one game only.Diebythesword said:
Doesn’t make any sense to bowl him for 50 overs and then drop him first opportunity. Also weird that rehan ahmed no longer gets a look in.killerandflash said:
I would have given Dawson another game. He's a decent enough No 7 bat.Chizz said:
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?
”hello mate! Welcome to the England team, congrats, you play golf right? …oh..”0 -
Bahahaha siraj the panto villain1
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Not sure it will be enough to save England but that mistake by Siraj was rather amusing1 -
soapboxsam said:For anyone not watching Sky or are at the match:
Ollie Pope test batting:
1st Innings Average 52.14
2nd innings Average 42.09
3rd innings Average 22.52
4th innings Average 16.70
That is quite an amazing stat.
I would like to see other players average to compare !Duckett:
1st Innings Average 46.00
2nd innings Average 48.65
3rd innings Average 31.13
4th innings Average 43.14
Crawley:
1st Innings Average 37.06
2nd innings Average 33.96
3rd innings Average 25.52
4th innings Average 27.66
Pope:
1st Innings Average 52.14
2nd innings Average 42.09
3rd innings Average 22.52
4th innings Average 16.70
Root:
1st Innings Average 50.28
2nd innings Average 60.44
3rd innings Average 47.95
4th innings Average 42.90
Brook:
1st Innings Average 64.53
2nd innings Average 72.75
3rd innings Average 50.45
4th innings Average 19.75
Stokes:
1st Innings Average 42.56
2nd innings Average 29.50
3rd innings Average 32.68
4th innings Average 37.25
Smith:
1st Innings Average 43.40
2nd innings Average 71.12
3rd innings Average 22.00
4th innings Average 59.00
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I keep saying this and have witnessed this at all levels - conscious or unconscious bias will always give the ones a coach or manager fancies far, far more chances to prove themselves than those they feel duty bound to give an opportunity to.killerandflash said:
There's an inconsistency, in that while they talk about giving players chance to establish themselves and play their natural game, both Cook and Dawson have had one game only.Diebythesword said:
Doesn’t make any sense to bowl him for 50 overs and then drop him first opportunity. Also weird that rehan ahmed no longer gets a look in.killerandflash said:
I would have given Dawson another game. He's a decent enough No 7 bat.Chizz said:
Who might have been a better pick?killerandflash said:Bethell has bowled 6 overs across the entire match. If you pick him, it's as a very talented batsman, but he is way off being a Test spinner. Not a threatening red ball spinner, and not a steady, economical one like a Dawson or Giles either.
Which begs the question, was the team selection right, as it basically left us with a 4 man attack, even before the Woakes injury?0 -
Brook will improve that 4th innings average of his massively if he takes us deep into the game.0
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Hope you are right.fenaddick said:All set up for Bethell to get his maiden FC century and score the winning runs
Personally I think Bethell is picked on potential and not on what he has so far achieved.
I know Stokes and the management framework hold him in high regard but he has yet to score a first class Hundred.
I have my doubts he will reach the level they expect of him.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong.0 -
Diebythesword said:Bahahaha siraj the panto villain
Siraj is great value and he bowled one of the best over's that Ben Ducket has ever faced without losing his wicket; five balls that he somehow didn't get a nick on which is unheard of from Ben.
I enjoyed Siraj catching Brooke and then stepping on the boundary. He is entertaining but also an excellent bowler who gives everything.
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Very difficult to hit that first FC century when the ECB decides that you are only going to bat twice prior to August.blackpool72 said:
Hope you are right.fenaddick said:All set up for Bethell to get his maiden FC century and score the winning runs
Personally I think Bethell is picked on potential and not on what he has so far achieved.
I know Stokes and the management framework hold him in high regard but he has yet to score a first class Hundred.
I have my doubts he will reach the level they expect of him.
Obviously I hope I'm wrong.0 -
And bowling all 5 tests at a decent speed is a great effort too.soapboxsam said:Diebythesword said:Bahahaha siraj the panto villain
Siraj is great value and he bowled one of the best over's that Ben Ducket has ever faced without losing his wicket; five balls that he somehow didn't get a nick on which is unheard of from Ben.
I enjoyed Siraj catching Brooke and then stepping on the boundary. He is entertaining but also an excellent bowler who gives everything.1
