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Looking for Harry Goldfinch - A Story of Charlton and WW1 and WW2

The museum are very lucky with the donations we receive and last week the family of Ron Harper sent us his wonderful collection of 1950s programmes and some rare, we'd neve seen many of them anyway, original press photographs.

We asked them for more details on Ron and this is what they told us.

Ronald William Harper 
Born 13 September 1933 Deptford
Died 24 March 2023 Brockley
Served in the Royal West Kent Regiment on National Service in Malaya between 1951 and 1954.
Bookbinder by trade from 1948 until 1995.



Keen amateur footballer who played for Old Oarolians (not sure if this is a typo or not HI) FC until he could not play when he chose to become a referee!!
He enjoyed watching local football including Charlton and Millwall and he would alternate between them depending on who was playing at home.
He was involved in a re-enactment group with the Royal West Kent Regiment based in Maidstone and was a regular at the march past in November at the Cenotaph usually pushing a wheelchair !

We'll put some more of the photos Ron's family passed on to us soon but this isn't about Ron Harper but two photos that he had owned that stood out and intrigued us.

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  • edited December 2024
    This is the opening game of the 1944 season in the Football League South

    A scratch Charlton side are facing Reading.  Some Charlton regulars are in the Army and stationed in the north. Duffy, Shreeve, Robinson and Chilton have been in the "thick of it" EG fighting in Europe although Chilton has been wounded, Harold Phipps and Sid Cann are said to be "chasing the Hun out of France".

    Sadly, Geoff Reynolds death, following wounds suffered in Normandy, is announced.

    The programme tells fans there is a spotter present who will alert the ref if a V1 rocket is spotted so they can take cover.

    V1 rockets had been targeting London since June 1944.

    As @Blitzwalker has informed us this was a real threat.

    On the day of the game there were no incidents in Greenwich or Woolwich.

    But Charlton Station had been hit on 23 June in one of the first such incidents and only two days before game, so on 24 August, a V-1 had demolished 5 houses at the junction of Indus Road/Charlton Dene, with 2 fatal casualties, plus 11 taken to hospital. 

  • So these are the two photos we received from Ron Harper.

    A Civil Defence spotter on the overgrown East Terrace looking out for V1 rockets as the game goes on below.  He is looking south over the open end as that is where the rockets would be coming from.

    If you look to the right you can see the bomb damage to the Covered End roof.

    The info from the back tells us his name is Harry Goldfinch.

    But who was Harry?

    Thanks to @Blitzwalker and his records we know quite a lot about him
  • Magical - thanks for sharing. 

  • For a moment there I thought it was another Nicky Bailey’s penalty picture…
  • edited December 2024
    Thanks to Steve Hunniset AKA @Blitzwalker we know that Harry was born on 4 July 1884 in Woolwich, He was married to Emma who was born on 19 July 1882.

    He died in 1966.

    He served in WW1 with the East Surrey Regiment and then the Labour Corps.  This suggests that he was wounded in some way but while not fit enough to fight he could still do manual work in the Labour Corps.  His medal card tells us he won the Victory Medal and the British War Medal or Squeak and Wilfred as they were nicknamed.

    In 1939 he is registered as an Air Raid Precaution Warden (later changed to Civil Defence hence the CD on his uniform in the pictures above) and is living at 606 Woolwich Road, roughly where Charlton Lane meets the Woolwich Road so the Horse and Groom would have been his local.

    His warden's post was Wardens' Post "Common 1", which just a short walk from his home, adjacent to The Victoria Public House, 757 Woolwich Road. It is now a pizza parlour.The Victoria now a Dominos Pizza shop


  • edited December 2024
    Harry's occupation was given as "cable maker" which probably means he worked at one of the big cable making firms that lined the river at Charlton, such as Siemans (modern picture below), Johnson & Philips or Enderby's (now Alcatel).

    Remains of the Siemens Factory in Charlton
  • These industrial works and the Woolwich Arsenal made Charlton and Woolwich a prime target during the earlier blitz and Johnson and Phillips suffered much damage.

    Johnson  Phillips cable factory March 1945 following a V-2 attack
  • Reading's Busby was the immortal Matt, playing as a guest, he also played for Aldershot,Chelsea, Middlesborough, Brentford, Bournemouth and Hibernian.

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  • PS - The bomb damage on the Covered End roof was most likely caused on the night of 19 March 1941 when incendiary bombs fell on and around the ground. These would have penetrated the roof and burned harmlessly on the terracing below, or perhaps been extinguished by firewatchers. There was also a report of a UX High Explosive bomb in the road outside on the night of 15/16 October 1940. This later exploded causing minor splinter damage and breaking the water main, so it was possibly fragments from this that caused the damage.
  • edited December 2024
    Thanks Ben and Tom. A fascinating read. I would love to have used Harry's picture as a warden when we did the. Bartram, Blitz and Beyond project.  I park near the old Victoria on match days. It's sad it's not a pub anymore, but at least Dominos saved the lovely shell of the building rather than demolish it. I always thought it so sad that it was a burnt out wreck as along with the Old Maryon Park school building its one of a few survivors from the time CAFC was born there.  It's interesting to think of the Blitz here when the once residential area where the club started was destroyed. I imagine in ten years time the land by the pub will be a residential area again and maybe they can bring the pub back.
  • So Harry's stint as a spotter at the Valley was a very local job for him.

    Was he a Charlton fan?  It seems possible but who knows?

    We'd love to trace some of Harry's living relatives, if there are any.

    It is an unusual surname so maybe not too hard to track someone down.  

    Do you know a Goldfinch?

    And BTW, with so many of the first team away fighting or serving elsewhere we lost 2 - 8 to Reading.

    The original owner of this programme helpfully pointing out what the team would have been had they all there.

    Key Charlton players not available! Some things never change.


    Yes I do know a Goldfinch! And what's more she is/was a Charlton supporter .I lost touch with her when she retired which was about 20 years ago 
  • lolwray said:
    So Harry's stint as a spotter at the Valley was a very local job for him.

    Was he a Charlton fan?  It seems possible but who knows?

    We'd love to trace some of Harry's living relatives, if there are any.

    It is an unusual surname so maybe not too hard to track someone down.  

    Do you know a Goldfinch?

    And BTW, with so many of the first team away fighting or serving elsewhere we lost 2 - 8 to Reading.

    The original owner of this programme helpfully pointing out what the team would have been had they all there.

    Key Charlton players not available! Some things never change.


    Yes I do know a Goldfinch! And what's more she is/was a Charlton supporter .I lost touch with her when she retired which was about 20 years ago 
    it's a lead @lolwray

    What was her first name?
  • lolwray said:
    So Harry's stint as a spotter at the Valley was a very local job for him.

    Was he a Charlton fan?  It seems possible but who knows?

    We'd love to trace some of Harry's living relatives, if there are any.

    It is an unusual surname so maybe not too hard to track someone down.  

    Do you know a Goldfinch?

    And BTW, with so many of the first team away fighting or serving elsewhere we lost 2 - 8 to Reading.

    The original owner of this programme helpfully pointing out what the team would have been had they all there.

    Key Charlton players not available! Some things never change.


    Yes I do know a Goldfinch! And what's more she is/was a Charlton supporter .I lost touch with her when she retired which was about 20 years ago 
    it's a lead @lolwray

    What was her first name?
    Barbara...lived in Sidcup,foots cray end ..she would be late 70s possibly early 80s.She worked in hr for a bank in the City but used to go home and away when she was young and started going again when we were in the prem.
  • Tom_Hovi said:
    PS - The bomb damage on the Covered End roof was most likely caused on the night of 19 March 1941 when incendiary bombs fell on and around the ground. These would have penetrated the roof and burned harmlessly on the terracing below, or perhaps been extinguished by firewatchers. There was also a report of a UX High Explosive bomb in the road outside on the night of 15/16 October 1940. This later exploded causing minor splinter damage and breaking the water main, so it was possibly fragments from this that caused the damage.
    Have to say a big thank you to @Tom_Hovi for his knowledge on our local world war 2 history and answering my question so quickly.
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