he wouldn't talk about individuals but said that a few are due back in the next couple of weeks
Why do they treat it like a trade secret these days? It’s just an update on each player.
Will is first and foremost a doctor - patient confidentiality would be fundamental to him.
Let me rephrase then as obviously I don’t mean to reveal confidential details.
However to say player x is expected back by y date is not an issue and only what was often previously said.
The blandness of a few back the next couple of weeks is less than used to be reported.
Probably to avoid giving specific dates. If you say "player x should be fit on y day" but things take a little bit longer than planned, you look like you lied or were wrong - even if the information was correct and accurate when it was given.
"A few back in the next couple of weeks" is enough to say that progress is being made but exactly how many and exactly when might not be set in stone. Medical treatments and plans often change, quite possibly at short notice.
he wouldn't talk about individuals but said that a few are due back in the next couple of weeks
Why do they treat it like a trade secret these days? It’s just an update on each player.
Will is first and foremost a doctor - patient confidentiality would be fundamental to him.
Let me rephrase then as obviously I don’t mean to reveal confidential details.
However to say player x is expected back by y date is not an issue and only what was often previously said.
The blandness of a few back the next couple of weeks is less than used to be reported.
I would suggest that if the playing management wish to convey that sort of message then it is for them to make that call.
Yes but my point is ‘why’?
It’ feels unnecessary and exaggerates how much difference it would make to the opposition.
After all every week Nathan tells us how difficult the opposition / venue are regardless of their league position 🙂
It might be nice to hear more honest updates sometimes.
You may be right, you may be wrong - I wasn't commenting on whether or not the 'club' in the form of the playing management should update the fans on likely returns, I was pointing out that as a medical practitioner, Dr Will Abbott is not the appropriate person to do that based on doctor/patient confidentiality - and it was the said medical practitioner who you were criticising.
I actually said ‘they’ in the context of he was there representing the club. Not there as a medical doctor speaking on confidential matters.
You have chosen that line of defence / explanation when I only questioned / challenged the level of apparent secrecy.
If it’s so inappropriate then why was he allowed to be questioned at all on the status of our teams injuries?
he wouldn't talk about individuals but said that a few are due back in the next couple of weeks
Why do they treat it like a trade secret these days? It’s just an update on each player.
Will is first and foremost a doctor - patient confidentiality would be fundamental to him.
Let me rephrase then as obviously I don’t mean to reveal confidential details.
However to say player x is expected back by y date is not an issue and only what was often previously said.
The blandness of a few back the next couple of weeks is less than used to be reported.
Probably to avoid giving specific dates. If you say "player x should be fit on y day" but things take a little bit longer than planned, you look like you lied or were wrong - even if the information was correct and accurate when it was given.
"A few back in the next couple of weeks" is enough to say that progress is being made but exactly how many and exactly when might not be set in stone. Medical treatments and plans often change, quite possibly at short notice.
Well yes of course it’s non committal but it doesn’t really give any insight at all currently.
By contrast when say the Euros are on we expect to read / learn that Kane or Grealish should be fit for the next match but not this one (as an example).
I was the one that asked the question on the trust AGM, I never expected an exact date time on any specific player, it was put in the context are their players likely to return before or after Christmas. I did mention Miles, because he has had a serious injury, which the whole world knows about, I think it was is 'Miles now full fit (match fit)'. Of course recovery is never really an 'exact science', and I support the club has done the appropriate recovery pathway for the player, but have no inside knowledge, every injury is different. Miles is playing in the first team, and has been introduced gradually. Of course the player is fit, but there is a big difference in being fit, and match fit in my opinion. I never expected an exact date, or time.i.e. player x is expected to be ready for selection on the 15th December. Especially over the Christmas period matches are pretty hectic, and at any time of the season, a player can get a strain or a pull, or some injury by a bad foul (such as the one Miles got at Welling two years ago). Yes, there is patient confidentiality, but the Dr was in his right to decline to answer and protect the right of any player.
I still thought that he could have been non specific, i.e two or three back hopefully before Christmas.
So how was it then? I take it many didn't join? And judging by this thread so far , it doesn't sound like there was much to shout about?
90 registered. About 60-70 attended in the end - with some there for part of it. About par for past CAST AGMs whether in person or on Zoom.
Will was understandably non-specific but overall spoke well and seemed to retain the interest of those following online. His WiFi dropped out a couple of times but Heather Alderson and Paul Breen who hosted the Q&A continued on like pros until he reconnected.
As mentioned above, we’ll post a full write-up of the Q&A on CAST website within the next few days.
Hi @Weegie Addick. When this was first announced I already knew that I wouldn't make it due to a concert. But @Pico invited me to submit a question in advance. So I sent him this:
"Like most Charlton fans I believe that we have for a long time had a very bad record regarding injuries; however like most fans I have no objective benchmark to compare our club with others in the same division. Does the club have such benchmark information, and if so, what does it tell us?"
Did it get asked? I don't mind waiting for the full report to read the answer, but I'd be disappointed if it (or something similar) didn't get asked.
Noting what @killerandflash reports above, that contradicts what Methven said to me in during the interview in May. It was the part off the record but he clearly indicated there is an issue to address.
Hi @Weegie Addick. When this was first announced I already knew that I wouldn't make it due to a concert. But @Pico invited me to submit a question in advance. So I sent him this:
"Like most Charlton fans I believe that we have for a long time had a very bad record regarding injuries; however like most fans I have no objective benchmark to compare our club with others in the same division. Does the club have such benchmark information, and if so, what does it tell us?"
Did it get asked? I don't mind waiting for the full report to read the answer, but I'd be disappointed if it (or something similar) didn't get asked.
Noting what @killerandflash reports above, that contradicts what Methven said to me in during the interview in May. It was the part off the record but he clearly indicated there is an issue to address.
Dr Abbott would have been talking about the current situation, which ought to be an improvement over last May.
What he did say was that at our level comparative numbers are very hard to get, whereas there is more information concerning injuries in the Premier League.
Dr Will advised fans to wrap up warm and jiggle about at matches. Perhaps he should have a word with Nathan regarding wrapping up warm? He has looked like a candidate for pneumonia in the last two matches. At least he is jiggling though.
I had a look on the Club Shop website and couldn't see any Castore winter coats like the Hummel ones. Perhaps that is the problem?
If 'performance'in Dr Abbott's role is focussed on injury and fitness as seems so from the conversation here, does anyone know whose role it would be to interpret player performance using, for example, opta stats?
To put this another way and more closely express what I'm getting at- Clearly us fans know they're performing collectively poorly and can give our subjective views, and player marks for example, but whose job is it to analyse what is wrong objectively? (Obviously Callum has the xg stat covered but anyone in the club, have a role in this aspect of objective performance monitoring?)
If 'performance'in Dr Abbott's role is focussed on injury and fitness as seems so from the conversation here, does anyone know whose role it would be to interpret player performance using, for example, opta stats?
To put this another way and more closely express what I'm getting at- Clearly us fans know they're performing collectively poorly and can give our subjective views, and player marks for example, but whose job is it to analyse what is wrong objectively? (Obviously Callum has the xg stat covered but anyone in the club, have a role in this aspect of objective performance monitoring?)
I think you're probably thinking of an analyst. No idea what we have but we lots of clubs will have an analyst(s) focussed on team performance and an analyst(s) for recruitment. They will then provide the data to coaching/recruitment staff in a report with some findings
Hi @Weegie Addick. When this was first announced I already knew that I wouldn't make it due to a concert. But @Pico invited me to submit a question in advance. So I sent him this:
"Like most Charlton fans I believe that we have for a long time had a very bad record regarding injuries; however like most fans I have no objective benchmark to compare our club with others in the same division. Does the club have such benchmark information, and if so, what does it tell us?"
Did it get asked? I don't mind waiting for the full report to read the answer, but I'd be disappointed if it (or something similar) didn't get asked.
Noting what @killerandflash reports above, that contradicts what Methven said to me in during the interview in May. It was the part off the record but he clearly indicated there is an issue to address.
The question was asked, although not in your precise words.
Basically, he said it was almost impossible to benchmark as clubs are not obliged to publish the data so information has to be gleaned from the media. Further up the pyramid there is more journalist attention so a little more information can be found, but not much at League One level.
His opinion is that it is "not just us" who feel we have disproportionate injuries - he thinks there is a similar belief at a lot of clubs. He said that at present 12 of the 20 Premier league have 8 or more players out with injury.
Players are asked to do much more than in years gone by.Imagine asking Jimmy Greaves to close someone down.Full backs rarely used to venture past the half way line,Centre halfs were there for one reason only,to stop centre forwards scoring.Now you have to be a jack pf all trades.The human body can only takes so much before like any other piece of machinery,it stops working.I also thin k the footwear is a mitigating factor.Their is no protection or support in todays boots,also the shin pads they wear now are very small,and barely meet the required size.
Players are asked to do much more than in years gone by.Imagine asking Jimmy Greaves to close someone down.Full backs rarely used to venture past the half way line,Centre halfs were there for one reason only,to stop centre forwards scoring.Now you have to be a jack pf all trades.The human body can only takes so much before like any other piece of machinery,it stops working.I also thin k the footwear is a mitigating factor.Their is no protection or support in todays boots,also the shin pads they wear now are very small,and barely meet the required size.
So we’d have less injuries if the kit properly protected the players feet and shins. Seems pretty easy to sort out. What is the benefit of the flimsy kit?
Players are asked to do much more than in years gone by.Imagine asking Jimmy Greaves to close someone down.Full backs rarely used to venture past the half way line,Centre halfs were there for one reason only,to stop centre forwards scoring.Now you have to be a jack pf all trades.The human body can only takes so much before like any other piece of machinery,it stops working.I also thin k the footwear is a mitigating factor.Their is no protection or support in todays boots,also the shin pads they wear now are very small,and barely meet the required size.
So we’d have less injuries if the kit properly protected the players feet and shins. Seems pretty easy to sort out. What is the benefit of the flimsy kit?
How about playing the more traditional way then and not doing ‘more’? It’s not as though we are successful by being a Jack of All Trades 😆
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"A few back in the next couple of weeks" is enough to say that progress is being made but exactly how many and exactly when might not be set in stone. Medical treatments and plans often change, quite possibly at short notice.
All fans are asking is how long is that player going to be out for & then updates when fit to train again / fit to be part of the squad.
Not asking for inside leg measurements fgs !
I never expected an exact date, or time.i.e. player x is expected to be ready for selection on the 15th December.
Especially over the Christmas period matches are pretty hectic, and at any time of the season, a player can get a strain or a pull, or some injury by a bad foul (such as the one Miles got at Welling two years ago).
Yes, there is patient confidentiality, but the Dr was in his right to decline to answer and protect the right of any player.
I still thought that he could have been non specific, i.e two or three back hopefully before Christmas.
I take it many didn't join? And judging by this thread so far , it doesn't sound like there was much to shout about?
Obviously players like Chuks will skew the numbers, but he's a lost cause unfortunately.
"Like most Charlton fans I believe that we have for a long time had a very bad record regarding injuries; however like most fans I have no objective benchmark to compare our club with others in the same division. Does the club have such benchmark information, and if so, what does it tell us?"
Did it get asked? I don't mind waiting for the full report to read the answer, but I'd be disappointed if it (or something similar) didn't get asked.
Noting what @killerandflash reports above, that contradicts what Methven said to me in during the interview in May. It was the part off the record but he clearly indicated there is an issue to address.
What he did say was that at our level comparative numbers are very hard to get, whereas there is more information concerning injuries in the Premier League.
I had a look on the Club Shop website and couldn't see any Castore winter coats like the Hummel ones. Perhaps that is the problem?
To put this another way and more closely express what I'm getting at- Clearly us fans know they're performing collectively poorly and can give our subjective views, and player marks for example, but whose job is it to analyse what is wrong objectively? (Obviously Callum has the xg stat covered but anyone in the club, have a role in this aspect of objective performance monitoring?)
Basically, he said it was almost impossible to benchmark as clubs are not obliged to publish the data so information has to be gleaned from the media. Further up the pyramid there is more journalist attention so a little more information can be found, but not much at League One level.
His opinion is that it is "not just us" who feel we have disproportionate injuries - he thinks there is a similar belief at a lot of clubs. He said that at present 12 of the 20 Premier league have 8 or more players out with injury.
the flimsy kit?
https://www.castrust.org/2024/12/the-number-of-injuries-across-the-game-is-increasing/