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Conceding Goals From Distance

Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas
in General Charlton
A couple more goals conceded earlier in the week, from shots outside the box.

Surely our ‘statistical analysis’ would pick up on this, and put it in plain language to our coaching team.

Is it a weakness of the goalie (doesn’t like shots from distance) or the midfield not doing their job properly and closing people down?

I thought this would be a simple thing to correct, and work on, but obviously not.

Cmon lads we need the points, you’ve got to put in a shift and get the job done (Apologies for turning into Mike Bassett).
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  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    Has Mannion actually saved a shot on target from outside the box? 
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    I think it is hard to blame Mannion. You can ask should we close them down better but ultimately it is a bit crazy, against us, the percentages for league one players being able to do this. Look at our shots to get a better idea what should be happening.
  • StigStig
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    A couple more goals conceded earlier in the week, from shots outside the box.

    Surely our ‘statistical analysis’ would pick up on this, and put it in plain language to our coaching team.

    Is it a weakness of the goalie (doesn’t like shots from distance) or the midfield not doing their job properly and closing people down?

    I thought this would be a simple thing to correct, and work on, but obviously not.

    Cmon lads we need the points, you’ve got to put in a shift and get the job done (Apologies for turning into Mike Bassett).

  • RothkoRothko
    The closing down has been terrible, and given players the chance to pick a spot, Mannion can't have done much about any of them
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    But if we have a penalty, I'd tip us to miss it. Even average teams at this level have players who can shoot accurately from distance, we don't even have players who can shoot accurately from close range!
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    They are not "from distance" ffs ! Tuesday nights goals were from the edge of the box. Standard goals imo. "Distance" goals are from 25 yards plus.

    Just because we don't shoot from that range doesn't mean there is anything special about them. Standard fare imo.

    We did actually have a shot "from distance" as you would say. Free kick just before half time. Would have said their players & keeper were at fault if that had gone in ?  Nah....doubt it.

    It's just that we have been accustomed to seeing our players not scoring from the edge of the box. 
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  • BedsaddickBedsaddick
    I don’t think Mannion is at fault for any of those long distance goals . 
  • LeuthLeuth
    fenaddick said:
    Not sure it’s on Mannion, purely from memory the actual strikes have been pretty good and hard to save. Sinclair’s was right in the corner, Savage’s hit the post and went in etc. There’s something structurally wrong, I think our defence sits too deep and then the midfield naturally sit really deep too which leaves enough of a gap to take a touch and get an accurate shot away
    I think this is closest, although Berry barely having a defensive bone in his body is another factor. And yeah, sheer bad luck
  • LeuthLeuth
    Lincsaddick said:
    lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot
    How were any of the shots saveable? Name one 
  • jonseventyfivejonseventyfive
    Give it a day and there'll be another one to worry about.
  • MartinCAFCMartinCAFC
    edited October 4
    Lincsaddick said:
    lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot
    Agreed, would need to see the Bristol Rovers 1st and 2nd goals again feel Mannion’s footwork or lack of it may have been a factor for both goals. They were not worldies you’d like to think your keeper would be getting a hand to those efforts.

    ultimately though the midfield giving the players all the time in the world to pick there spot is the root cause of these goals.
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    MartinCAFC said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    lack of closing down near out areas and a keeper either too slow to see the shot or too slow to move his feet in the right direction in an attempt to save a long distance shot
    Agreed, would need to see the Bristol Rovers 1st and 2nd goals again feel Mannion’s footwork or lack of it may have been a factor for both goals. They were not worldies you’d like to think your keeper would be getting a hand to those efforts.

    ultimately though the midfield giving the players all the time in the world to pick there spot is the root cause of these goals.
    The extended highlights here show that both goals were pretty much right next to the post, very hard to save those. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmfsI6mprM


  • fenaddickfenaddick


    Screenshots of the above
  • ElthamaddickElthamaddick
    nothing wrong with the keeper, the closing down is abysmal

    I think the Rotherham one was the worst from memory, the fella had 20 yards to run into and pick his spot unchallenged 

    the defence aren't blameless, but the closing down 30+ yards out has to start with the frontmen/midfield 
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  • ChunesChunes
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Uh oh. Is Mannion already going down the Ben Amos route with some supporters?

    Think once Amos left we realised how good he actually was and that a lot of those long range efforts that went past him were pretty much unsavable.
    Hard agree. Amos was top drawer at this level. Unfairly blamed for those goals IMO. 
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    fenaddick said:


    Screenshots of the above
    It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close down
  • LeuthLeuth
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:


    Screenshots of the above
    It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close down
    The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew it 
  • ChunesChunes
    edited October 4
    fenaddick said:
    Leuth said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:


    Screenshots of the above
    It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close down
    The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew it 
    It’s proper youth player trying too hard stuff and should be easy to fix. If he can improve those elements of his game I think fans would rate him higher 
    He also needs to stop giving simple passes directly to the opposition.

    And stop being caught so badly wrong side of his man that he ends up running directly behind him.
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Leuth said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:


    Screenshots of the above
    It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close down
    The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew it 
    It’s proper youth player trying too hard stuff and should be easy to fix. If he can improve those elements of his game I think fans would rate him higher 
    He also needs to stop giving simple passes directly to the opposition.

    And stop being caught so badly wrong side of his man that he ends up running directly behind him.
    Of course, I wasn’t saying that’s his only issue but if your positioning allows you to make noticeable blocks our fan base will lap it up. It’s one of the things people loved Pearce for
  • arthurarthur
    Leuth said:
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:


    Screenshots of the above
    It’s the first time I’ve seen longer versions of these goals. The first one is annoying because someone is tight to him and then Berry just lets him run across him into space. The second one we’re just too slow to close down
    The second one, Anderson's starting position is basically the penalty spot. In his effort to drop back and help us defend he actually blew it 
    I agree. Anderson follows their No.7 for 1 stride too far and then was probably 1 stride away from getting a block in on the shot or at least force the scorer to miss or pass the ball wider.  We dont seem to be able to make the most of these small errors when the opposition makes them. 
  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    Still undecided re Mannion but in my heyday I’d have looked a shorter version of him making a dive and being nowhere near the ball as well
    footwork and positioning is a massive part of it , I’m not convinced one way or t’other just yet 


    imagine one day when we have players who can grow a pair and can actually shoot with some power and accuracy regularly , I suppose we need a wooden defence and midfield closing us down to achieve that 
  • shirty5shirty5
    The midfield not willing to take one and put their bodies in the way of the shot. 
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