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Our recruitment process

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in General Charlton
When Steve Gallen was at the club he seemed to have really good contacts; especially with the London clubs. He was responsible for some very fine players coming to our club. We had Mavididi, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher and Rak Sakhi etc.
I know Jones wanted to have a large say in transfers and all I can see is there a preference for a Luton DNA. Gallen had the trust and confidence with Bowyer and Jackson; however, not sure that trust exists between Jones and Scott. 

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  • fenaddickfenaddick
    edited October 3
    Gallen’s hit rate towards the end definitely tailed off. Apart from JRS and maybe Maatsen no one signed after we got relegated in 2020 was particularly great. Some were good L1 players but you need more than that. 
  • cafc999cafc999
    Gallen's hit rate at Millwall isn't that great
  • eaststandmikeeaststandmike
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
  • ScohamScoham
    eaststandmike said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
    By us maybe, but other clubs get it right. We’ve put new structures and teams in place under new owners but consistently get it wrong.
  • MrLargoMrLargo
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Don't forget Hollands too. League One was his level but he was a key part of that promotion team.
    Yeah, I was only picking a couple of examples out - applies to the whole squad though. Kerm for free, BWP £125k, Hayes was a great signing for nothing although he ended up being back-up.

    Was really surprised about Hollands, I expected him to be one of the ones to cope best with the higher level of football in the Championship.
  • fenaddickfenaddick
    eaststandmike said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
    It’s not all stats though, it’s a combination of both usually
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  • MrLargoMrLargo
    eaststandmike said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
    Plus SCP, as Curbs did before him, meeting the players and making sure that they had the personality as well as the ability. I remember John Sullivan, our back-up keeper who hardly played for us, saying how much he loved it at Charlton. Feels like it's just a job for most of the current squad.
  • CallumcafcCallumcafc
    edited October 3
    MrLargo said:
    eaststandmike said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
    Plus SCP, as Curbs did before him, meeting the players and making sure that they had the personality as well as the ability. I remember John Sullivan, our back-up keeper who hardly played for us, saying how much he loved it at Charlton. Feels like it's just a job for most of the current squad.
    NJ talked in the summer about doing exactly the same thing with the likes of Edwards, Docherty and Ahadme.
  • ScohamScoham
    Callumcafc said:
    MrLargo said:
    eaststandmike said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    In those good old days scouts would talk to each other, drive hundreds of miles to physically watch the players and decisions would be made by those that have experience in the game 

    Now it’s all stats, YouTube videos and inexperienced personnel putting suggestions forward to the likes of Andy Scott.
    Plus SCP, as Curbs did before him, meeting the players and making sure that they had the personality as well as the ability. I remember John Sullivan, our back-up keeper who hardly played for us, saying how much he loved it at Charlton. Feels like it's just a job for most of the current squad.
    NJ talked in the summer about doing exactly the same thing with the likes of Edwards, Docherty and Ahadme.
    I’m sure it’s been talked about on here before with previous managers too.

    What helped Powell is signing players he had played with or coached. Morrison and Yann were two as both were at Leicester. After Yann’s penalty miss and poor scoring record at Leicester not many clubs would have given him a chance.
  • hezzlahezzla
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Maybe I’m misremembering but didn’t we bring in a technical director / head scout basically for that window? Jeff Vetere I think? ex Villa, Real Madrid scout.  
  • CallumcafcCallumcafc
    edited October 3
    hezzla said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Maybe I’m misremembering but didn’t we bring in a technical director / head scout basically for that window? Jeff Vetere I think? ex Villa, Real Madrid scout.  
    Wasn’t Vetere’s biggest / most notable contribution that summer Mikel Alonso? Whatever happened to him?
  • shirty5shirty5
    Callumcafc said:
    hezzla said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Maybe I’m misremembering but didn’t we bring in a technical director / head scout basically for that window? Jeff Vetere I think? ex Villa, Real Madrid scout.  
    Wasn’t Vetere’s biggest / most notable contribution that summer Mikel Alonso? Whatever happened to him?
    Alonso was a signing put onto Powell by Tony Jiminez

    Hence his one and only appearance in the Football League Trophy at home to Brentford 
  • ScohamScoham
    I doubt we needed Vetere to identify most of the signings that summer? A lot of them were promising younger L1 players. They’d probably be a lot more expensive these days.
  • hezzlahezzla
    edited October 3
    Callumcafc said:
    hezzla said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Maybe I’m misremembering but didn’t we bring in a technical director / head scout basically for that window? Jeff Vetere I think? ex Villa, Real Madrid scout.  
    Wasn’t Vetere’s biggest / most notable contribution that summer Mikel Alonso? Whatever happened to him?
    I don’t know who gets credit for what, and maybe it’s just coincidence of timing, but does seem like in hindsight his time here coincides with the best 6 months of recruitment we’ve had in 15 years.  We’ve signed plenty of Mikel Alonso’s since, but no more Dale Stephen’s…
  • RedhenryRedhenry
    fenaddick said:
    Gallen’s hit rate towards the end definitely tailed off. Apart from JRS and maybe Maatsen no one signed after we got relegated in 2020 was particularly great. Some were good L1 players but you need more than that. 
    Gallen gets a lot of credit on here for stuff that he shouldn't have...
  • soapy_jonessoapy_jones
    edited October 3
    For a long time i thought our recruitment process consisted of.

    1) Two legs?   
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  • NabySarrNabySarr
    edited October 3
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Can’t really compare the fees as it was so long ago. The £1m+ that we spent back then is probably the equivalent of £3m+ nowadays. Other than Birmingham, no one is spending that much in this league now 

    Though I guess maybe the point is that to do a Powell-summer we need to be spending that kind of money 
  • RodneyCharltonTrottaRodneyCharltonTrotta
    hezzla said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Maybe I’m misremembering but didn’t we bring in a technical director / head scout basically for that window? Jeff Vetere I think? ex Villa, Real Madrid scout.  
    Also spent time playing for Luton! Get him back NJ!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Vetere
  • MrLargoMrLargo
    NabySarr said:
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    Can’t really compare the fees as it was so long ago. The £1m+ that we spent back then is probably the equivalent of £3m+ nowadays. Other than Birmingham, no one is spending that much in this league now 

    Though I guess maybe the point is that to do a Powell-summer we need to be spending that kind of money 
    Agree with that to some extent (although the point still stands about May and Ahadme). However, we had the 5th highest budget in the league the year we won the title, and I think we're still around that mark now. 

    And I don't think the fees have changed hugely, to the point where decent players are out of our reach. Millwall reportedly paid in the region of £700k for Macauley Langstaff, top scorer in League 2 last season (which also puts further question marks over the fee we paid for Ahadme).
  • UEAAddickUEAAddick
    edited October 3
    I'm not going to write off some of the players we've signed this summer totally just yet. As I still firmly believe we need to give Jones and the team side to get it right and make mistakes along the way and their is time to turn this around.

    However one of the many issues with our recruitment for years is that we have bought in different types of managers who also have had different approaches, styles and ways of playing. This has also meant a rapid change of players who have been rated by some managers and yet not by others in such a short space of time.

    Bowyer- Task-master focused heavily on fitness and working hard. Ex Player.
    Adkins-  Older style Motivator, wanted to create a nice environment to work in
    Jackson- Young coach trying to make a name for himself and man-manager. Ex Player.
    Garner- Young coach focused on a certain way of playing that you need certain players for.
    Holden- More of a manager than a coach
    Appleton- Task-master focused on fitness and more fitness. 

    We also have made some signings that looking back had red flags from the start.

    Maddison- Had baggage that Bowyer, Gallen and Sandgaard knew about and it was no surprise it never worked out. In particular him and Bowyer was a massive clash of personalities.

    Kirk- It's probably clear he never really wanted to come down South at a tough time for him. Despite this though, we should have looked more into his character from the start.

    Bonne- The social media stuff before he came back here and the fact his career was in serious decline before we got him back. 

    Fraser- The fact that Ipswich sold him to us after 6 months at the first opportunity was not a good sign at the time looking back.



    There's so many other signings that were poor with clearly very little research done into signing them other than they had small success in the past. Gunter, Arter, Hector etc.

    Their was also others that weren't bad people and gave their all, but were just not good enough. Lavelle and Payne etc.

    You can barely name any players that have improved too over the last 4-5 years. As I say I am excluding the players signed in the summer as its still too early to judge I feel. 

    The few that improved with us.

    May- Although was already a proven goal scorer
    Dobson
    Blackett-Taylor

    Stockley- Did improve initially until the last season, although I concede was limited.
    Clare- Did ok






     

  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    edited October 3
    All I can say about this season is that it was  clear as day what we needed to be successful........

    A creative midfielder or two. Player(s) who can take a free kick or corner. Wide men who can cross without having to check back first.

    None of these were signed. We have strengthen at the back with the signings of Mitchell & Edwards. We have added a bit more to the midfield with Berry & Docherty. 

    But we are still woefully short of anything that resembles a promotion winning squad. 

    PS.

    And that was before we sold our top goalscorer. 
  • GarrymanilowGarrymanilow
    MrLargo said:
    The Powell League 1 title season is always, for me, the barometer against which recruitment should be measured. A Championship standard squad assembled on a decent, but not huge budget. It seemed so easy, picking up out of contact players or low transfer fees. It seemed so simple at the time, I don't really understand how we've made it seem so difficult ever since. 

    Are there no Dale Stephens or Rhoys Wiggins available for £400k anymore? No Michael Morrisons available on a free? Or are we just not good at finding them? 

    Genuinely don't know the answer. But, if Birmingham can pick up Alfie May for £900k, surely we can do better than squandering £1m on Ahadme?
    The Powell season was perfect recruitment, but I wonder how we'd look at some of those signings as they came in now, as I think we scrutinise a lot more, or are more traumatised. Morrison had failed badly at Sheff Wed, Yann at Leicester. Taylor was the equivalent of us signing someone more in the Jones mould, Stephens had been picked up from a pretty poor team, Hayes was unwanted at Preston, Hughes was past it, Pritchard was a random non-league kid we found on work experience, Haynes struggled at Barnsley, Cort at Burnley. In fact, apart from Hollands and Wiggins, two of the most in-form proven L1 players we brought in were Evina and Leon Clarke. Just goes to show that you try and sign the players that will suit your game, which is what Jones has ostensibly done this season, but there's always a bit of luck and a bit of lightning in a bottle with some seasons. Powell had such a good eye for the right player at the right time but it was easier to bring those sorts of players in then than it is now. 
    The club have denied that we spent £1m on Ahadme incidentally, I'd love to know what the correct figure is and the structure of the deal.
  • LeuthLeuth
    Leuth said:
    I'll say this btw. When a player in the leagues above, aged 27 or over, is released by their club, there's a fucking reason. Let them go to a team that simply wants to get by, not one chasing promotion, they won't have what it takes. We make this mistake over and over and over and over again. Can anyone think of a recent example of this who's even threatened to do anything good for us?
    SINCE YANN, I may add lol
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