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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • I think sacking him already is very knee jerky - we need stability, another manager comes in, then he will want his own players, own tactics - it all takes time to build again.

    If in a months time we haven’t improved then you can start looking at replacements before the January window.
  • They won’t sack him but it would never surprise me if he walks 
  • Playing absolutely shocking, but please no more sackings so early in a season.
  • shirty5 said:
    They won’t sack him but it would never surprise me if he walks 
    Got rid of May and then leaves. Would be appalling if he does.
    He’s not the most stable of characters so in my opinion I don’t think that would bother him 
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  • The owners must be absolutely distraught. They brought in a very well thought of and experienced manager which most people thought was a bit of a coup, backed him in the market to bring in his own players. Sell the golden boot. Give him what seems like enormous autonomy and 10 games in we’re in disarray. Scott has been the butt of a lot of criticism but I suspect he’s had very little or no influence and where he has then Jones has won the battle. We can’t continue to sack managers but where do we go from here ? Jones needs to change the tactics but do we have the players and is he too stubborn to do that. ?  I don’t see Jones as a pragmatist. I wonder if some of this is a window into why Hart decided to call it a day.
  • I hate the manager churn but you have to accept when the problems are very apparent and are not resolvable by the manager; I actually think Holden could have done okay without awful resources. 

    In this instance, Jones has created a side and system that will quite simply not work and there is zero chance based on evidence of his entire career of him attempting to alter this. 

    No team gets promoted without ever being able to control a game and he is making zero attempt whatsoever to do this.

    Luton was a fluke, for whatever reason their crest of a wave, side that grew together, tiny nasty little ground suited his style and enabled him to take them far, but by all accounts they improved after he left when Rob edwards replaced him.  

    I would not put it past Jones to pull out the odd additional win against one of the better teams, highly unlike but even this weekend against Birmingham it’s conceivable we could keep it tight and wrestle something from them in gritty unpleasant fashion. But there is simply 0% chance of us getting promoted or even being close to it playing the way we are playing every single game. We’re setting up how I’d expect Cambridge under Neil Harris to try and fight relegation. 
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    Think he's running out of road.
    Heaped even more pressure on himself after last night's games saying it was his responsibility and it won't happen again. I wouldn't be so sure Nath!

    He makes it sound like the first couple of games were rosy and we need to get back to that level!
    In honesty, we were atrocious for large parts of those games. We could easily have lost them.

    One other thing of note from his post match was that he never once mentioned the attacking frailties. It's always about the defensive ones and an inability to keep clean sheets. 
    So it's all on the defence. And attackers like Ahadme can swan about doing f**k all. Should think that kind of attitude will lead to a bit of tension within the squad.
    He really is making life difficult for himself.
  • I'm usually one to offer reserve and loyalty when it comes to managers, but I think Jones will be gone within 2 months, with us in or near the relegation zone 
  • Leuth said:
    I'm usually one to offer reserve and loyalty when it comes to managers, but I think Jones will be gone within 2 months, with us in or near the relegation zone 
    I don’t. I suspect we’ll stumble along just enough for the “give him time” ethos to carry enough weight.
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  • A football club appoints a manager thinking they can do the job required and bring success.
    IMO at this level Jones was a fantastic appointment, he then kept us up by changing results immediately from a very dangerous position.
    It seems that we need to change our pattern of play as we are not creating many chances, coupled with the football is not very attractive.
    I would suggest that we sold May to bring in some money and fund the players that have been brought in, I still think the recruitment has been on the cheap and to a degree Jones' hands are tied.
    Jones seems to be the type of person that will say what he thinks so I'd not be surprised if things may well get a bit frosty behind the scenes should results not pick up.
  • Quality posts from Henry and AFKA and it does feel that the dropping of Mitchell against Blackpool was the Catalyst which started the house of cards to tumble which may be impossible to stop. Throw in the dropping of Docherty the captain and Small being unhappy on being subbed in the 1st half at the valley and the mood can change very quickly in the results business of football.

    Winning ugly is acceptable but not ideal but losing ugly against bog standard 3rd tier teams can only lead to Opprobrium and derision.
  • Just a thought, three clubs who are enjoying some success at present have appointed managers with very little playing experience at the professional level;  Ipswich, Birmingham and Lincoln, clubs of a similar size to us who have had little success until quite recently.
    (Certainly other clubs enjoying some success, Blackpool for instance, are doing so with grizzled old pros as their manager)
    Is it time for our owners/directors to seek out a coach with wide experience of developing players from youth up to first team EFL/Prem level to manage our club ? We need fresh ideas and we need them quickly, ideas not gained from the day to day slog of managing under pressure, ideas to do with modern playing and training ways and proper man/player management.
    I haven't a clue who, but I am not 'in the know' around professional football. I hadn't heard of Davies, McKenna or Skubala until recently, but the shrewdies in charge at other clubs certainly had heard of them and did something about it 
  • Just a thought, three clubs who are enjoying some success at present have appointed managers with very little playing experience at the professional level;  Ipswich, Birmingham and Lincoln, clubs of a similar size to us who have had little success until quite recently.
    (Certainly other clubs enjoying some success, Blackpool for instance, are doing so with grizzled old pros as their manager)
    Is it time for our owners/directors to seek out a coach with wide experience of developing players from youth up to first team EFL/Prem level to manage our club ? We need fresh ideas and we need them quickly, ideas not gained from the day to day slog of managing under pressure, ideas to do with modern playing and training ways and proper man/player management.
    I haven't a clue who, but I am not 'in the know' around professional football. I hadn't heard of Davies, McKenna or Skubala until recently, but the shrewdies in charge at other clubs certainly had heard of them and did something about it 
    Although I never rated him anyway, you could say we have already tried that with Garner and that never worked out. 
  • A football club appoints a manager thinking they can do the job required and bring success.
    IMO at this level Jones was a fantastic appointment, he then kept us up by changing results immediately from a very dangerous position.
    It seems that we need to change our pattern of play as we are not creating many chances, coupled with the football is not very attractive.
    I would suggest that we sold May to bring in some money and fund the players that have been brought in, I still think the recruitment has been on the cheap and to a degree Jones' hands are tied.
    Jones seems to be the type of person that will say what he thinks so I'd not be surprised if things may well get a bit frosty behind the scenes should results not pick up.
    Agree and i beleive this has been the problem for years. Regardless of who the manager is they will struggle with this level of investment. 
    I think managers roles are overstated anyway, get the players right and everything else falls into place.
  • Leuth said:
    I'm usually one to offer reserve and loyalty when it comes to managers, but I think Jones will be gone within 2 months, with us in or near the relegation zone 
    I don't know about that, things can change fairly quickly. If he does manage to arrest the slide and scrape a couple of wins and draws over October he'll stay in place. 

    It will take a really catastrophic run of form to get him sacked before Christmas and as bad as last night was I'm hoping that was the absolute depths and we'll be if nothing else "less bad."
  • I'm torn. 

    We need stability, but how long do we try for stability before it is too late. 

    All the players Jones signed AND started played poorly yesterday.

    Godden the only Jones signing to show any real drive and effort. 

    If we continue down this path November will have to be his end. 
  • UEAAddick said:
    Just a thought, three clubs who are enjoying some success at present have appointed managers with very little playing experience at the professional level;  Ipswich, Birmingham and Lincoln, clubs of a similar size to us who have had little success until quite recently.
    (Certainly other clubs enjoying some success, Blackpool for instance, are doing so with grizzled old pros as their manager)
    Is it time for our owners/directors to seek out a coach with wide experience of developing players from youth up to first team EFL/Prem level to manage our club ? We need fresh ideas and we need them quickly, ideas not gained from the day to day slog of managing under pressure, ideas to do with modern playing and training ways and proper man/player management.
    I haven't a clue who, but I am not 'in the know' around professional football. I hadn't heard of Davies, McKenna or Skubala until recently, but the shrewdies in charge at other clubs certainly had heard of them and did something about it 
    Although I never rated him anyway, you could say we have already tried that with Garner and that never worked out. 
    not a proper comparison, Garner had spent a few years managing EFL clubs before joining us, and then had to manage under a very dodgy owner, not to excuse his bad management though
  • I hate the manager churn but you have to accept when the problems are very apparent and are not resolvable by the manager; I actually think Holden could have done okay without awful resources. 

    In this instance, Jones has created a side and system that will quite simply not work and there is zero chance based on evidence of his entire career of him attempting to alter this. 

    No team gets promoted without ever being able to control a game and he is making zero attempt whatsoever to do this.

    Luton was a fluke, for whatever reason their crest of a wave, side that grew together, tiny nasty little ground suited his style and enabled him to take them far, but by all accounts they improved after he left when Rob edwards replaced him.  

    I would not put it past Jones to pull out the odd additional win against one of the better teams, highly unlike but even this weekend against Birmingham it’s conceivable we could keep it tight and wrestle something from them in gritty unpleasant fashion. But there is simply 0% chance of us getting promoted or even being close to it playing the way we are playing every single game. We’re setting up how I’d expect Cambridge under Neil Harris to try and fight relegation. 
    This with knobs on. I’ve kept my tinder dry as I recognise that I’ve been massively in the minority as I didn’t want Jones in the first place. I’ve never met the bloke but from what I’ve seen he is a one hit wonder and someone who is one dodgy press conference away from being a laughing stock. Despite my reticence, I have supported him so far and thankful that he managed to keep us afloat last year. But this season has been an unmitigated disaster. Signing his old past it chums and playing the dullest form of hoofball imaginable is not the stuff that fills the Valley and he is being found out bigstyle. It gives no pleasure to write that, but I’m not surprised in the slightest. I hope he turns it round and I look forward to the big slice of humble pie but I’m not taking it out of the freezer anytime soon. 
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