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POST-MATCH THREAD: Shrewsbury Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 14th September 2024 KO 15:00

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  • Ken, you should get on the Happy Pills like most of the other posters on CL, they are great.

    I still need convincing and of course i know it is early days.

    Despite our lofty position in Division Three, I believe we still do not have enough to get out of this pony league.

    An NJ miracle will be accepted gratefully though, so like you say 3 points taken, "Praise da Lord".
  • Yep, I want to watch a football match, not a game of chess.
  • We’re down to third.
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  • LoOkOuT said:
    At the other end of the spectrum, I can't be the only one that finds Man City's football boring as fuck. It's too "perfect" it puts me to sleep.
    Give me the QPR goal vs Wednesday over a Man City tap in every day of the week
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  • edited September 17
    Know this is slightly off-piste, but you know all this talk of Man City being "investigated", do me a favour you just know they will slide and slither their way out of it, or at the most a meaningless fine will be the result...talk about snake oil...does my 'ead in they do.🤦‍♂️

    ...anyway back on topic...
  • Know this is slightly off-piste, but you know all this talk of Man City being "investigated", do me a favour you just know they will slide and slither their way out of it, or at the most a meaningless fine will be the result...talk about snake oil...does my 'ead in they do.🤦‍♂️

    ...anyway back on topic...
    Said it from the beginning, they will get a record fine so the FA can pat themselves on the back and say look its the harshest punishment yet, City will complain and appeal (only to give the punishment some legitimacy) then quietly withdraw the appeal  6 months or so down the line and pay the fine (which is nothing more than a tax on cheating for them). Similar to what happened with West Ham we all know if they had finished 7th the season they had Tevez they would of had points taken away but FA bottled it.

    but back on track, I get its not the best football to watch but its not as bad as some make out and lets face it, if someone had offered this at the end of last season we would bit their hands off.
  • Know this is slightly off-piste, but you know all this talk of Man City being "investigated", do me a favour you just know they will slide and slither their way out of it, or at the most a meaningless fine will be the result...talk about snake oil...does my 'ead in they do.🤦‍♂️

    ...anyway back on topic...
    Not that it would even happen but relegating them to the championship still wouldn't have much of an effect. They'd loan out their biggest stars for a year, win the championship with a record points total and then probably win the prem the following season. 
  • Here are our average positions for the match according to sofascore.com. Interesting how close Berry & Coventry are and that Doc is pulling much wider


  • fenaddick said:
    Here are our average positions for the match according to sofascore.com. Interesting how close Berry & Coventry are and that Doc is pulling much wider


    Also how deep Gas is compared to TC...
  • fenaddick said:
    Here are our average positions for the match according to sofascore.com. Interesting how close Berry & Coventry are and that Doc is pulling much wider


    Also how deep Gas is compared to TC...
    That was my initial thought too but it makes sense if TC is looking for flick ons from Gas
  • I'm not surprised that Docherty pulls wide as he should be combining with Ramsay whereas Small tends to get pushed higher. As good as Ramsay is he does need to start finding that overlap - and Docherty needs to start finding the pass - to get balls across the face of goal. Ahadme is there to head in deeper crosses from Small and TC and Ahadme should be looking to get on the end of crosses from the byline off Ramsay. As much as we talk about the wingbacks needing to improve in the attacking sense they'd have a lot more to work with if our midfield was taking better care of the ball. All stuff to work on
  • It's not obvious from that map what Berry's role is meant to be. 

    I'd love us, against weaker teams at home happy to park the bus, to change our system a bit e.g. 3412, with TC having a free role and able to drift wide as the 10, and 2 strikers ahead of him.
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here are our average positions for the match according to sofascore.com. Interesting how close Berry & Coventry are and that Doc is pulling much wider


    Also how deep Gas is compared to TC...
    That was my initial thought too but it makes sense if TC is looking for flick ons from Gas

    Yeah, but much as I like Gas, the flicks don't seem to find the target with any regularity...🤷‍♂️
  • edited September 17
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here are our average positions for the match according to sofascore.com. Interesting how close Berry & Coventry are and that Doc is pulling much wider


    Also how deep Gas is compared to TC...
    That was my initial thought too but it makes sense if TC is looking for flick ons from Gas

    Yeah, but much as I like Gas, the flicks don't seem to find the target with any regularity...🤷‍♂️
    Is that something for Campbell - Godden - Kanu etc. to work as well as Ahadme though?

    Gas can only go to where the long ball has been sent, his fellow striker needs to do better at reading that too

    Even the likes of Berry, by being closer... as have found a lot of the balls that Ahadme brings down, quite close to him.

    Something to improve in training as a whole.
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  • He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
  • edited September 17
    fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    Higher than I would have thought actually - Reading in the first half, was one the best game I've seen from him, in terms of bringing the ball down for team mates.

    Reading though, did an excellent job at isolating him... Bit like Peter Crouch, don't bother competing in the air, just make sure you're in the right place to thank him for bringing down the ball for you 
  • edited September 17
    fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    I remember us playing the flick-on for years under Curbs and even with aerially dominant strikers like Bartlett or Svensson, the success rate was very low. 
  • fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    Higher than I would have thought actually - Reading in the first half, was one the best game I've seen from him, in terms of bringing the ball down for team mates.

    Reading though, did an excellent job at isolating him... Bit like Peter Crouch, don't bother competing in the air, just make sure you're in the right place to thank him for bringing down the ball for you 
    Interestingly he only won 33% of aerial duels against Reading. He won 53% against Orient which is his highest % all season. Reading actually is his lowest %.

    What I don't know is what actually counts as an aerial duel, I seem to remember him controlling a few with his chest v Reading which probably don't count
  • bromdog said:
    One of the best we’ve had in the ‘air’ in recent cafc history was Deon Burton. Didn’t necessarily win headers all game but used his body to hold up the ball. Remember him actually using his chest a lot to bring the ball down. If gas can get near that with his work rate then we’ll have a good league one player.
    Deon Burton sits in my mind as one of the stupidest reds I've ever seen against Swindon in THAT Llera game. Second yellow for handballing the ball after a centre half beat him to a header. Was a great hold up man though. 
  • fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    But when Aneke is on we seem to keep the ball off a lot more of his flick ons? So I’d suggest it’s an Ahadme problem rather than a problem with the runners anticipation 
  • edited September 17
    NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    But when Aneke is on we seem to keep the ball off a lot more of his flick ons? So I’d suggest it’s an Ahadme problem rather than a problem with the runners anticipation 
    Is that because Aneke brings the ball down to feet a bit more? - e.g. that lovely control against Rotherham for example

    He's also got the strength to hold off most opponents
  • NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    But when Aneke is on we seem to keep the ball off a lot more of his flick ons? So I’d suggest it’s an Ahadme problem rather than a problem with the runners anticipation 
    Possibly true, I guess a tired defence also helps as our other subbed on striker might have quicker reaction times? It's certainly an interesting Q and I don't think there's a stat to see how often we retain possession from different players aerial duels
  • fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    He wins 42.7% of his aerial duals which doesn't seem a lot but puts him in the top 30% of strikers in the division. As @ForeverAddickted says, our players need to get better at anticipating where his headers are going
    But when Aneke is on we seem to keep the ball off a lot more of his flick ons? So I’d suggest it’s an Ahadme problem rather than a problem with the runners anticipation 
    Possibly true, I guess a tired defence also helps as our other subbed on striker might have quicker reaction times? It's certainly an interesting Q and I don't think there's a stat to see how often we retain possession from different players aerial duels
    Yeah I’m just going from memory of the games and to me we always seem to retain it more when it’s Aneke. But saying that, I  don’t think it’s too fair to judge Ahadme vs Aneke, because 25 minutes of Aneke is not a level I’d expect any striker at this level to be able to reach consistently 
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