Rice and Grealish are English. Born and bred in England to parents born in England.
But then I've never agreed with the grandparent eligibility rule anyway, as 2 generations is too weak a connection.
I’ve not a problem with Grealish, however Rice played for ROI 3 times at full international. So , it’s slightly different. Having said that, you go with your heart, so he should play for who he believes he should play for, just leaves a sour taste.
The one moment that sticks in my mind was second half where he intercepted a ball maybe 30 yards out, inside right position and in the old days, he would have looked up and just chipped the keeper who was in no mans lands but he dithered, waited for runners and then had the ball nicked off of him.
I'm maybe convinced now that all the games Spurs managers flogged him in his early years without being rested have caught up with him!
The one moment that sticks in my mind was second half where he intercepted a ball maybe 30 yards out, inside right position and in the old days, he would have looked up and just chipped the keeper who was in no mans lands but he dithered, waited for runners and then had the ball nicked off of him.
I'm maybe convinced now that all the games Spurs managers flogged him in his early years without being rested have caught up with him!
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Work. Pure and simple. And it’s happening again. Most of my friends kids live in the US, Canada, Australia. Very few have gone to the UK this time.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Work. Pure and simple. And it’s happening again. Most of my friends kids live in the US, Canada, Australia. Very few have gone to the UK this time.
My quoted mate has lived and worked all over the world, the US, S Korea etc but still set up family life in England.
Lots of my good friends Scots/ Irish descent etc bemoan England and the English yet build their lives here when quite easily they could live and work in Ireland or Scotland. I think a lot of it is in jest and aside from the sporting rivalry and our tongue in cheek arrogance/entitlement/ elitism when it comes to football the English are bloody good chaps and also very handsome.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Maybe it is all wrapped up in history, where the British rolled up in countries worldwide and took over, and these days there is the fall out from all that.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Maybe it is all wrapped up in history, where the British rolled up in countries worldwide and took over, and these days there is the fall out from all that.
Every country has horrendous history whether it is inflicting abhorrent actions on other nations or on its own population.
China literally has people in concentration camps today as we speak whereas England in 2024 the thought of that would be unthinkable.
The majority of the world had historic slavery and slavery exists in parts of Africa and Asia today in 2024. The word slave derives from Slavic given the huge volume of Slavic people subject to slavery.
Should I have ill feeling for Russia and Russians because in living memory they made my Polish nan a slave and killed her 8 year old brother in a Siberian labour camp and as a 14 year old she had to bury him with her bare hands in the snow?
My nan's part of Poland was taken by the soviets and ironically is now what is western Ukraine hence why she came to England as a refugee and my mum spent her first 5 years on a refugee camp here. Should I think the russians or Ukranians are pricks?
Should Brits have disdain for Germany or the Japanese who were particularly cruel to POWs and disgraceful in their treatment of the Chinese at that time?
Or should we maybe take a more forward looking approach and accept that people have been *****s to each other throughout history and address the current issues where people are actively being ****s to each other today around the world/ in society.
And before we turn it into a politics thread I have my own views of the Ireland/ NI issue but think in 2024 we just need stop living in the past as it doesn't help anyone and just breeds resentment. Particularly when people are not facing hardship as a result of such issues. E.g. the average dubliner probably lives a life not too dismilar from the average brummie etc.
I find it hypocritical and double standards (and almost elitist looking down on other groups) when certain people are held to a higher standard (e.g. the English/ Westerners) . E.g. it is ok to think the English pricks because of the sins of politicians and a minuscule percentage of that country (e.g. politicians/ the ruling classes) yet the same folk would be (rightly) shitting spleens if other groups of people were criticised/ done down/ called pricks because of the previous sins of their (largely political elite and ruling classes) ancestors in history.
Most my family would have been in Poland (which has been battered throughout history)and Ireland when the historic issues with Ireland kicked off yet I am English and my family are and they have no hatred or ill feeling to anyone based on nationality or sins of their fathers (most of which would have been orchestrated by a small number of ruling elite).
Silly in 2024 to resent groups of people based on the historic actions of ancestors particularly if there is no real hardship being felt today.
It's hilarious how these diddy countries (Scotland are the are worse) bare grudges for things that didn't happen in their parents lifetime. My grandparents visited Germany on holiday after the war, like water to a duck, no 'banter' from either side.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Maybe it is all wrapped up in history, where the British rolled up in countries worldwide and took over, and these days there is the fall out from all that.
Every country has horrendous history whether it is inflicting abhorrent actions on other nations or on its own population.
China literally has people in concentration camps today as we speak whereas England in 2024 the thought of that would be unthinkable.
The majority of the world had historic slavery and slavery exists in parts of Africa and Asia today in 2024. The word slave derives from Slavic given the huge volume of Slavic people subject to slavery.
Should I have ill feeling for Russia and Russians because in living memory they made my Polish nan a slave and killed her 8 year old brother in a Siberian labour camp and as a 14 year old she had to bury him with her bare hands in the snow?
My nan's part of Poland was taken by the soviets and ironically is now what is western Ukraine hence why she came to England as a refugee and my mum spent her first 5 years on a refugee camp here. Should I think the russians or Ukranians are pricks?
Should Brits have disdain for Germany or the Japanese who were particularly cruel to POWs and disgraceful in their treatment of the Chinese at that time?
Or should we maybe take a more forward looking approach and accept that people have been *****s to each other throughout history and address the current issues where people are actively being ****s to each other today around the world/ in society.
And before we turn it into a politics thread I have my own views of the Ireland/ NI issue but think in 2024 we just need stop living in the past as it doesn't help anyone and just breeds resentment. Particularly when people are not facing hardship as a result of such issues. E.g. the average dubliner probably lives a life not too dismilar from the average brummie etc.
I find it hypocritical and double standards (and almost elitist looking down on other groups) when certain people are held to a higher standard (e.g. the English/ Westerners) . E.g. it is ok to think the English pricks because of the sins of politicians and a minuscule percentage of that country (e.g. politicians/ the ruling classes) yet the same folk would be (rightly) shitting spleens if other groups of people were criticised/ done down/ called pricks because of the previous sins of their (largely political elite and ruling classes) ancestors in history.
Most my family would have been in Poland (which has been battered throughout history)and Ireland when the historic issues with Ireland kicked off yet I am English and my family are and they have no hatred or ill feeling to anyone based on nationality or sins of their fathers (most of which would have been orchestrated by a small number of ruling elite).
Silly in 2024 to resent groups of people based on the historic actions of ancestors particularly if there is no real hardship being felt today.
Great post. It would be a better world if everybody could get along. However the past does have a bearing on the present as we can see in the Middle East conflicts. As well as outright conflict there remains a soft cultural conflict everywhere including in both Ireland, and England, China and I would imagine Poland too. Conflict often passed off as ‘banter’ like the British anti Irish jokes, or American jokes about ‘Polaks’. There is also the result of harder political conflict like the attacks and graffiti on Polish community centres after the victory of the vote to leave. Things we might wish to condemn to the past often manifest themselves in the present as we saw yesterday in Dublin and the conversations surrounding that football match.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Work. Pure and simple. And it’s happening again. Most of my friends kids live in the US, Canada, Australia. Very few have gone to the UK this time.
My quoted mate has lived and worked all over the world, the US, S Korea etc but still set up family life in England.
Lots of my good friends Scots/ Irish descent etc bemoan England and the English yet build their lives here when quite easily they could live and work in Ireland or Scotland. I think a lot of it is in jest and aside from the sporting rivalry and our tongue in cheek arrogance/entitlement/ elitism when it comes to football the English are bloody good chaps and also very handsome.
But they can’t ‘quite easily’ live & work in Ireland. Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing. Plus the cost of living is going up and up.
I don’t blame the youth for moving on. When our Mum and Dad did it, it was because she was pregnant before they married. No one would marry them in Ireland. They had to move to the UK or our Mum would have ended up in a mother and baby home. Probably why our Dad never slagged off the country he ended up living in longer than he lived in Ireland. And he always supported England (when they weren’t playing Ireland). I used to ask him when he retired why he didn’t move back like a few of his siblings did. His reply, ‘why? My life is here’.
Tbh I don’t know the current economic situation Ireland but this sounds like you could be talking about England…
‘Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing. Plus the cost of living is going up and up.’
Tbh I don’t know the current economic situation Ireland but this sounds like you could be talking about England…
‘Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing. Plus the cost of living is going up and up.’
Exactly, which is why the youth aren’t going to the UK like before. Australia seems to the destination of choice these days.
Tbh I don’t know the current economic situation Ireland but this sounds like you could be talking about England…
‘Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing. Plus the cost of living is going up and up.’
Exactly, which is why the youth aren’t going to the UK like before. Australia seems to the destination of choice these days.
Australia isn’t the same as it was 15 years ago, it’s getting more expensive, the bubble has burst.
Tbh I don’t know the current economic situation Ireland but this sounds like you could be talking about England…
‘Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing. Plus the cost of living is going up and up.’
Exactly, which is why the youth aren’t going to the UK like before. Australia seems to the destination of choice these days.
Australia isn’t the same as it was 15 years ago, it’s getting more expensive, the bubble has burst.
There’s at least 5 kids from Baltimore gone this year.
According to some parts of the internet this is the Irish view of Europe.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
Maybe it is all wrapped up in history, where the British rolled up in countries worldwide and took over, and these days there is the fall out from all that.
Should I have ill feeling for Russia and Russians because in living memory they made my Polish nan a slave and killed her 8 year old brother in a Siberian labour camp and as a 14 year old she had to bury him with her bare hands in the snow?
It's hilarious how these diddy countries (Scotland are the are worse) bare grudges for things that didn't happen in their parents lifetime. My grandparents visited Germany on holiday after the war, like water to a duck, no 'banter' from either side.
Tbf to the Irish, a lot of the hatred will come from events that happened in the 20th century.
It's hilarious how these diddy countries (Scotland are the are worse) bare grudges for things that didn't happen in their parents lifetime. My grandparents visited Germany on holiday after the war, like water to a duck, no 'banter' from either side.
Tbf to the Irish, a lot of the hatred will come from events that happened in the 20th century.
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But then I've never agreed with the grandparent eligibility rule anyway, as 2 generations is too weak a connection.
The one moment that sticks in my mind was second half where he intercepted a ball maybe 30 yards out, inside right position and in the old days, he would have looked up and just chipped the keeper who was in no mans lands but he dithered, waited for runners and then had the ball nicked off of him.
I'm maybe convinced now that all the games Spurs managers flogged him in his early years without being rested have caught up with him!
I didn’t create the chart.
Amazing so many Irish choose to move and stay here permanently if that's the case (my nan's family included).
One of my best mates at school was a born and bred Irish fella who came over here at 7. Was always slagging England and the English. Still here with a family 40 years later.
Given the number of people literally risking their lives to come to England each day we must be ok...or the French fucking awful! ;-)
And it’s happening again.
Most of my friends kids live in the US, Canada, Australia. Very few have gone to the UK this time.
My quoted mate has lived and worked all over the world, the US, S Korea etc but still set up family life in England.
Lots of my good friends Scots/ Irish descent etc bemoan England and the English yet build their lives here when quite easily they could live and work in Ireland or Scotland. I think a lot of it is in jest and aside from the sporting rivalry and our tongue in cheek arrogance/entitlement/ elitism when it comes to football the English are bloody good chaps and also very handsome.
Every country has horrendous history whether it is inflicting abhorrent actions on other nations or on its own population.
China literally has people in concentration camps today as we speak whereas England in 2024 the thought of that would be unthinkable.
The majority of the world had historic slavery and slavery exists in parts of Africa and Asia today in 2024. The word slave derives from Slavic given the huge volume of Slavic people subject to slavery.
Should I have ill feeling for Russia and Russians because in living memory they made my Polish nan a slave and killed her 8 year old brother in a Siberian labour camp and as a 14 year old she had to bury him with her bare hands in the snow?
My nan's part of Poland was taken by the soviets and ironically is now what is western Ukraine hence why she came to England as a refugee and my mum spent her first 5 years on a refugee camp here. Should I think the russians or Ukranians are pricks?
Should Brits have disdain for Germany or the Japanese who were particularly cruel to POWs and disgraceful in their treatment of the Chinese at that time?
Or should we maybe take a more forward looking approach and accept that people have been *****s to each other throughout history and address the current issues where people are actively being ****s to each other today around the world/ in society.
And before we turn it into a politics thread I have my own views of the Ireland/ NI issue but think in 2024 we just need stop living in the past as it doesn't help anyone and just breeds resentment. Particularly when people are not facing hardship as a result of such issues. E.g. the average dubliner probably lives a life not too dismilar from the average brummie etc.
I find it hypocritical and double standards (and almost elitist looking down on other groups) when certain people are held to a higher standard (e.g. the English/ Westerners) . E.g. it is ok to think the English pricks because of the sins of politicians and a minuscule percentage of that country (e.g. politicians/ the ruling classes) yet the same folk would be (rightly) shitting spleens if other groups of people were criticised/ done down/ called pricks because of the previous sins of their (largely political elite and ruling classes) ancestors in history.
Most my family would have been in Poland (which has been battered throughout history)and Ireland when the historic issues with Ireland kicked off yet I am English and my family are and they have no hatred or ill feeling to anyone based on nationality or sins of their fathers (most of which would have been orchestrated by a small number of ruling elite).
Silly in 2024 to resent groups of people based on the historic actions of ancestors particularly if there is no real hardship being felt today.
It would be a better world if everybody could get along.
However the past does have a bearing on the present as we can see in the Middle East conflicts.
As well as outright conflict there remains a soft cultural conflict everywhere including in both Ireland, and England, China and I would imagine Poland too.
Conflict often passed off as ‘banter’ like the British anti Irish jokes, or American jokes about ‘Polaks’.
There is also the result of harder political conflict like the attacks and graffiti on Polish community centres after the victory of the vote to leave.
Things we might wish to condemn to the past often manifest themselves in the present as we saw yesterday in Dublin and the conversations surrounding that football match.
Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing.
Plus the cost of living is going up and up.
I don’t blame the youth for moving on.
When our Mum and Dad did it, it was because she was pregnant before they married. No one would marry them in Ireland. They had to move to the UK or our Mum would have ended up in a mother and baby home. Probably why our Dad never slagged off the country he ended up living in longer than he lived in Ireland. And he always supported England (when they weren’t playing Ireland). I used to ask him when he retired why he didn’t move back like a few of his siblings did. His reply, ‘why? My life is here’.
‘Theres work in cities but nowhere affordable to live, there’s hardly any work in rural areas and it’s getting harder to find any affordable housing.
Plus the cost of living is going up and up.’