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Fan Zone plan submitted for the Valley

cliveclive
in General Charlton

Plans have been submitted for a fan zone at the Valley in Charlton.

The application includes a tussle pitch for 3v3 football, 1 permanent kiosk, a permanent big screen, permanent seating, a temporary toilet and two temporary match-day kiosks on part of the car park.

“This designated facility enables local children to come and play in a larger area, enhancing the Football club’s relationship with the local community.”

The West Stand car park is not for public use. A total of 53 parking spaces are taken with the club stating “Any additional staff that may have previously used car parking spaces on specific matches, will now use public transport in an effort to become more ‘Green’ and mitigate against road parking”.

The application can be viewed on Greenwich Council’s website by clicking here.

https://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk/2024/08/08/charlton-athletic-fan-zone-plan-submitted-for-the-valley/

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  • cliveclive
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/enjoy-new-fan-zone-ahead-orient-match
  • seth plumseth plum
    The invitation is to ‘enjoy’ the fan zone.
    Hmmmn.
  • charlton4evercharlton4ever
    Great for the younger fans. Weather dependant I imagine.
  • HexHex
    Rather undermines any argument the club and supporters might have to complain about a shortage of supporter car parking spaces in the vicinity of The Valley. 
  • MrOneLungMrOneLung
    “Any additional staff that may have previously used car parking spaces on specific matches, will now use public transport in an effort to become more ‘Green’ and mitigate against road parking”.


    Well that sounds a bit totalitarian to me. What if those members of staff dont want to become more green ? 
  • cliveclive
    MrOneLung said:
    “Any additional staff that may have previously used car parking spaces on specific matches, will now use public transport in an effort to become more ‘Green’ and mitigate against road parking”.


    Well that sounds a bit totalitarian to me. What if those members of staff dont want to become more green ? 
    Maybe the staff could be supplied E-scooters/E bikes.
  • FumbluffFumbluff
    Bromptons……and lockers
  • shirty5shirty5
    https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/09/10/local-residents-object-to-family-fan-zone-at-charlton-athletics-valley/
  • stoneroses19stoneroses19
    Jo van den Broek certainly isn't a fan of us or football grounds then. 
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  • RothkoRothko
    edited September 10
    There's still this weird behaviour from ward councilors in Charlton, that refuses to acknowledge the football club as a good in the area, and still want to fight the battles of the late 80s 
  • BaileyBailey
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
  • InspectorSandsInspectorSands
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
    I was commenting more on the family day, fan zone is literally that. The very minimal zone seems to have gone down well, be great to have an upgraded version that would be usable in less good weather.
    I think the minimal zone is what's being applied for - it's been operated with temporary licences until now. 
  • letthegoodtimesrollletthegoodtimesroll
    edited September 10
    Labour councillors legacy for the area and surrounds seems to be the creation of soulless trading estates, blocks of flats and empty streets, which it could be argued might be the issue if the place is now a crime hotspot and any scheme or event that could encourage greater footfall around the surrounding streets might actually make them safer for local residents and must be a step in the right direction. Far from making it unsafe on match days (and the family fun day) I would suspect that the busier streets are probably much safer for locals than they are when there’s nobody else walking down the same street as them.
  • InspectorSandsInspectorSands
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Labour councillors legacy for the area and surrounds seems to be the creation of soulless trading estates, blocks of flats and streets, which it could be argued might be the issue if the place is now a crime hotspot and any scheme or event that could encourage greater footfall around the surrounding streets might actually make them safer for local residents and must be step in the right direction. Far from making it unsafe on match days (and the family fun day) I would suspect that the busier streets are probably much safer for locals than they are when there’s nobody else walking down the same street as them.
    Well, exactly. There's long been problems with the estate on Valley Grove, but that's nothing to do with the football club, and the area around the station has felt safer since the little Sainsbury's opened and brought more footfall to the area. When it was iffy - hoodlums hanging around the offie on the corner of Floyd Road - that was nothing to do with the football club.

    They're probably thinking of away fans having a sing-song as they walk down Floyd Road. 
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  • BaileyBailey
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
    I was commenting more on the family day, fan zone is literally that. The very minimal zone seems to have gone down well, be great to have a upgraded version that would be usable in less good weather.
    Yeah it is good Shine and I think it plays a part in attracting families to the Valley, their are not enough of those type of facilities at any club. 
  • shine166shine166
    InspectorSands said:
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
    I was commenting more on the family day, fan zone is literally that. The very minimal zone seems to have gone down well, be great to have an upgraded version that would be usable in less good weather.
    I think the minimal zone is what's being applied for - it's been operated with temporary licences until now. 
    Surely a roof of sorts (marquee/stretch tent)  more tables etc if/when permission is granted? 
  • shine166shine166
    edited September 10
    Bailey said:
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
    I was commenting more on the family day, fan zone is literally that. The very minimal zone seems to have gone down well, be great to have a upgraded version that would be usable in less good weather.
    Yeah it is good Shine and I think it plays a part in attracting families to the Valley, their are not enough of those type of facilities at any club. 
    My boy is coming to his first league game next week and we'll definitely be using it. Better than dragging him on a 2 hour train trip just to go sit in fans bar and stick him in front of his switch. 

    Be interesting to see how it functions October-march when it's cold/wet.
  • letthegoodtimesrollletthegoodtimesroll
    InspectorSands said:
    letthegoodtimesroll said:
    Labour councillors legacy for the area and surrounds seems to be the creation of soulless trading estates, blocks of flats and streets, which it could be argued might be the issue if the place is now a crime hotspot and any scheme or event that could encourage greater footfall around the surrounding streets might actually make them safer for local residents and must be step in the right direction. Far from making it unsafe on match days (and the family fun day) I would suspect that the busier streets are probably much safer for locals than they are when there’s nobody else walking down the same street as them.
    Well, exactly. There's long been problems with the estate on Valley Grove, but that's nothing to do with the football club, and the area around the station has felt safer since the little Sainsbury's opened and brought more footfall to the area. When it was iffy - hoodlums hanging around the offie on the corner of Floyd Road - that was nothing to do with the football club.

    They're probably thinking of away fans having a sing-song as they walk down Floyd Road. 
    The matchday custom from fans going to games at the Valley may well be what makes having that Sainsbury’s there commercially viable.
  • SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    cafc-4-life said:
    If you buy or rent near a football ground you know what you're getting yourself in to when it comes to match days. Same applies to buying to a local pub, bar or music venue. No sympathy for the locals.
    I liken it to folk that buy a house near an airport and then inexplicably complain about the noise once they’ve moved in! 🧐
  • SolidgoneSolidgone
    SoundAsa£ said:
    cafc-4-life said:
    If you buy or rent near a football ground you know what you're getting yourself in to when it comes to match days. Same applies to buying to a local pub, bar or music venue. No sympathy for the locals.
    I liken it to folk that buy a house near an airport and then inexplicably complain about the noise once they’ve moved in! 🧐
    Its like building Windsor Castle near Heathrow Airport 🤓
  • BaileyBailey
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    shine166 said:
    Bailey said:
    I think the club are flying a kite here. From what Greenwich wire states, the licence was for 09.00 to 21.30 seven days a week to cover various kick off times, at present the club applies for a licence for individual match days, events, and they are granted. I can see the residents objections as valid and Jo van den Broek has obligation to represent their objections, whether we or the club like it or not. The club want a licence to sell alcohol at these events, so this clearly isn't the club just reaching out to children in the area and this forms a major part of their objections. As it stands I think the proposal from the club will be rejected and they will be asked to resubmit, I think the club expects this and will come back with a watered down application. 
    I was commenting more on the family day, fan zone is literally that. The very minimal zone seems to have gone down well, be great to have a upgraded version that would be usable in less good weather.
    Yeah it is good Shine and I think it plays a part in attracting families to the Valley, their are not enough of those type of facilities at any club. 
    My boy is coming to his first league game next week and we'll definitely be using it. Better than dragging him on a 2 hour train trip just to go sit in fans bar and stick him in front of his switch. 

    Be interesting to see how it functions October-march when it's cold/wet.
    Don't think they'd ever get away with a permanent structure there but that's what is needed, self contained with minimal impact on residents. And you are absolutely right, when I've taken my grandson, he was bored pretty quickly and the football didn't help. 
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