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The Third Oldest Known Charlton Home Programme and the Valley in 1919 as seen by away reports

Huge thanks to Oxford City historian Chris Byrne who has sent us a copy of this 1920 FA Amateur Cup game at what wasn't even being described as the Valley at the time, just the ground "adjoining Charlton Lane and Church Lane."

We lost this game 1 - 2 in front of nearly 4,000 fans.

Charlton turned professional a few months later, a controversial decision opposed by many fans.

Who knows, if we had won and gone of a good run we might have stayed amateur and become a Dulwich Hamlet or Bromley rather than the football league side we would be by 1921.


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  • Here's a local paper report of the game taken from an upcoming book on Charlton's pre-league history 1905 - 1921.

    Club members and supporters will be interested to know that Capt. I H Benn, C.B., D.S.O., M.P., the club President, having returned from Canada, signified his intention to attend if at all possible, this being his first visit to the new enclosure. Team meet on ground 1.30 sharp; kick-off, 2.15 prompt. Half-an-hour extra must be played if the game in a draw.

    There was a crowd of nearly 4,000 on the Charlton ground last Saturday, when Oxford City were entertained in the first round of the English Amateur Cup. The result was a win for Oxford by 2 goals to 1. It was a highly interesting and enjoyable game throughout. Oxford scored first, H Hartley doing the needful, but A. Sheppard quickly equalised. Then the interval arrived. Upon resumption, play continued very even and there was little to choose between the teams. A T Jakeman netted a second for Oxford. and although the Charlton forwards attacked with great energy and forced many corners, they were unable to draw level.

    After the match last Saturday, the home team and officials adjourned to the club headquarters, to take tea. Mr. T. Kirkup, of the L.F.A. and Mr. E. Eden, of the L.L., were the guests, and, after the meal, made short speeches, congratulating the players on the splendid performance and saying that the defeat in no way reflected the club record, rather did it enhance the already high respect which was held the club in football circles, and they also tendered very valuable advice.

  • Charlton should never have played our number 9 that day. He wasn’t ready.
  • I notice Oxford City numbered 12-22. Was it the norm for away teams to wear 12-22? Or didn't they wear any numbers at all really?
  • Worth noting how the players are numbered.

    1 to 22 but players didn't wear numbers on their shirts then
  • The Oxford Centre Half that day was Kenneth Hunt, a two-time Olympian and gold medal winner.  He won the football Gold in the 1908 Olympics in London where he played in three games (12-1 v Sweden, 4-0 v Netherlands and 2-0 v Denmark in the final) each of which had an English referee and two English linesmen.  

    He also played in the 1920 Olympics, GB losing in the first round to Norway, 3-1.  In what was clearly an unfair act of outrageous gamesmanship, the organising committee saw fit to appoint only one Englishman among the three officials.  Disgrace. 

    Hunt went on to be a teacher and could count Murray Walker as one of his pupils.  
  • Chizz said:
    The Oxford Centre Half that day was Kenneth Hunt, a two-time Olympian and gold medal winner.  He won the football Gold in the 1908 Olympics in London where he played in three games (12-1 v Sweden, 4-0 v Netherlands and 2-0 v Denmark in the final) each of which had an English referee and two English linesmen.  

    He also played in the 1920 Olympics, GB losing in the first round to Norway, 3-1.  In what was clearly an unfair act of outrageous gamesmanship, the organising committee saw fit to appoint only one Englishman among the three officials.  Disgrace. 

    Hunt went on to be a teacher and could count Murray Walker as one of his pupils.  
    Hunt was on the team sheet but didn't play
  • I notice Oxford City numbered 12-22. Was it the norm for away teams to wear 12-22? Or didn't they wear any numbers at all really?
    Our posts crossed.

    I don't believe they wore numbers at all.
  • Huge thanks to Oxford City historian Chris Byrne who has sent us a copy of this 1920 FA Amateur Cup game at what wasn't even being described as the Valley at the time, just the ground "adjoining Charlton Lane and Church Lane."

    We lost this game 1 - 2 in front of nearly 4,000 fans.

    Charlton turned professional a few months later, a controversial decision opposed by many fans.

    Who knows, if we had won and gone of a good run we might have stayed amateur and become a Dulwich Hamlet or Bromley rather than the football league side we would be by 1921.


    I bet the goalie was a jolly, nice bloke 
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  • Curbs was named after the full back
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    Was this the No 11’s first game back after serving his Christmas suspension? 😉
  • Worth noting how the players are numbered.

    1 to 22 but players didn't wear numbers on their shirts then
    Yes, shirt numbers didn't come in until just before WW2 I think. What's interesting is that the Charlton numbers seem to agree with the old classic system 2= right back, 7= right wing, 5 = centre half etc. Looks like we played a deep lying centre forward, years before the Hungarians.
  • What's the blob in the middle of the Oxford City programme to the left of J.W.Lucas. It looks like three people jumping on top of each other. Or is it the sun and a tree? Just curious.
  • What's the blob in the middle of the Oxford City programme to the left of J.W.Lucas. It looks like three people jumping on top of each other. Or is it the sun and a tree? Just curious.
    It's a football
  • edited May 15
    Worth noting how the players are numbered.

    1 to 22 but players didn't wear numbers on their shirts then
    Yes, shirt numbers didn't come in until just before WW2 I think. What's interesting is that the Charlton numbers seem to agree with the old classic system 2= right back, 7= right wing, 5 = centre half etc. Looks like we played a deep lying centre forward, years before the Hungarians.
    this is an interesting history of shirt numbering .. Squad number (association football) - Wikipedia .. CAFC was one of the first to use the present system of squad numbers .. how 'hip' are we lol
  • Huge thanks to Oxford City historian Chris Byrne who has sent us a copy of this 1920 FA Amateur Cup game at what wasn't even being described as the Valley at the time, just the ground "adjoining Charlton Lane and Church Lane."

    We lost this game 1 - 2 in front of nearly 4,000 fans.

    Charlton turned professional a few months later, a controversial decision opposed by many fans.

    Who knows, if we had won and gone of a good run we might have stayed amateur and become a Dulwich Hamlet or Bromley rather than the football league side we would be by 1921.


    By 'eck, that W T Neale was one hell of a linesman.
  • edited May 15
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  • edited May 15
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  • this is an interesting history of shirt numbering .. Squad number (association football) - Wikipedia .. CAFC was one of the first to use the present system of squad numbers .. how 'hip' are we lol
    LOL, We went alphabetical and ended up with Sweaty Balmer wearing number one which was quite something for a centre back. Wonder if anyone noticed before we sent them to the League?
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  • Curbs was named after the full back
    And Jimmy Seed after the centre half.
  • Worth noting how the players are numbered.

    1 to 22 but players didn't wear numbers on their shirts then
    Yes, shirt numbers didn't come in until just before WW2 I think. What's interesting is that the Charlton numbers seem to agree with the old classic system 2= right back, 7= right wing, 5 = centre half etc. Looks like we played a deep lying centre forward, years before the Hungarians.
    The first time shirt numbers were worn, was in the 1933 FA Cup final, between Everton & Man City. Everton Wearing 1-11, City 12-22.

    I remember this from owning the British MovieTone News Cup Finals VHS, of which we were featured in 3 (League War Cup vs Arsenal, then Derby & Burnley). 
  • Stig said:
    Curbs was named after the full back
    And Jimmy Seed after the centre half.
    No, that was Jimi Hendrix
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