Keeper not confident of his defenders. Defence not confident of their keeper. Until we rectify that, then we will continue to lose due to errors which shouldn’t happen.
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
Ladapo the only one I'd heard of, because he's pretty good following your logic, not that me having no knowledge of the others caused me concern. So isn't it odd that the player marks seem to score him lower than the others, possibly because our expectations of him are higher given his reputation.
Derby have a 5 speed gear box - didn’t need to get out of 2nd gear today - we had plenty of huff and puff, but our cutting edge up front, well it’s evaporated
We are in deep deep shit - this is a relegation battle - fucking hell - prospect (potentially) of Div 4, I feel sick
Our wonderful, lovely, gorgeous club, that we all love soooo much
We might be sinking to the lowest point ever, maybe we have arrived already ….
(and yes, I well remember almost disappearing all together in the 80’s before Sunley ‘saved’ us - but we were Div 2 then, and it was a totally different world ….)
Losing is always disappointing but Derby are 2nd and beat us by one gifted goal. We weren't great but play like that without the mistake and find someone who can create and we will win enough against the poorer teams.
We simply have to get a result v Reading and beat Lincoln to keep ourselves out of the bottom 4 before we have Bolton, Pompey and Derby again... But after that our run in is as good as you could ask for.
Reckon we finish somewhere between 12-16.
I am not despondent as I think with May, Dobbo (if he stays) Coventry, Taylor, Leaburn (I hope) er have 5 very good quality L1 players and would hope a couple out of Ramsey, Small, REG, Gillesphey and Hector join in that group. If so and if we stay up we have the basis of a decent squad for next year and need to bring in the 4-5 top drawer, make a difference players in the summer.
Finally, well done to Ness, thought he was out MoM by a mile today. Had an excellent game. Could be like a new signing if back on form.
The only player we had who could create something has gone to Derby.
PWR and probably sounding like a broken record, but we need to replace AMB NOW. I know he wasn't at fault for the goal, but we desperately need a GK that can orchestrate the defence. The prime example for me was when Derby had a FK on the right and there wasn't a single instruction coming from him. He just stood in the 6 yd box looking lost. This was the FK when he got his bump on the head. I was genuinely hoping he'd get taken off. He may well be a good shot stopper, but in every other aspect of a GK, he's a liabilty. He could turn out to be a top GK, but that isn't now and he's certainly not what we need atm. Far too many games this season I hear people saying the defence is at fault and there was nothing he could do to stop that shot.........but if he was capable of organising the defence, maybe they might have a bit more confidence and cut out the silly mistakes. For now he needs to be removed from the team.
Is Istead any better? I'm not too sure. What about Ward? Don't know, but doubt it.
I'm still hopeful confident that we have enough to stay up, but an experienced No1 must be a priority in the summer.
I'm baffled why Isted didn't play today. Not because I'm writing AMB off, but because he needs time out of the firing line, to work with coaches on his deficiencies. You can see the frustration our defenders have with him and his decision making.
Isted is an accident waiting to happen from what I've seen ( which admittedly isn't much) AMB is always likely to pull off a brilliant save but clearly neither will be in a promotion winning team unless there's a huge improvement
He only had a small number of games before getting injured. He wasn't brilliant in those games BUT good enough to suggest he deserves another chance, when AMB has been found wanting for several games now.
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
Jack Marriott who has 5 L1 goals this season (same as Stockley), hasn’t scored since 1st November and just dropped a division?
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
Aaron Collins came on as sub and got an assist for Bolton's vital equaliser today.
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
Jack Marriott who has 5 L1 goals this season (same as Stockley), hasn’t scored since 1st November and just dropped a division?
Going to Wrexham is a false version of dropping a division. Same reason Mullin, Lee, Foster and O'Connell dropped leagues to join them
Nathan Jones has 16 games to save this club from imploding; I should say totally imploding as the process started years ago long before one defeat blended into another.
SMT are the present incumbents getting it in the neck but years of failures with a disparate bunch of owners, middle men and outright charlatan like Matt Southall have dragged this club down to its present state of incompetence. Every Manager/head coach has struggled in the last six years to stop the slide. JJ managed to get Cafc from 22nd to 13th but that wasn't deemed a success.
Andy Scott should've been the best thing that could happen to Cafc after the Amateur Sandgaard family, and the chaos that preceded them with fake sheikh, cars and bitches and even Football men like Bowyer and Gallen were complicit in the super duper phone charade.
Andy Scott stays until the bitter end of this nightmare season and the inquest can start with his bosses, why he felt Appleton could galvanise dispirited players and fans alike ? Bad call Scott as you did the interview.
The only thing that matters is staying in League one this season. Depressing but that is our reality.
Losing to Derby who had nearly double our points is no surprise and Fleming had set the team up in a damage limitation mode and when the present band of strangers only concede two goals in two matches it nearly succeeded BUT now our attacking has dried up with CBT going and even Alfie losing his scoring Mojo (Hardly surprising)
One more time for the soapbox rant: Charlton players should spend Morning and afternoon at Sparrows lane until the end of the season doing drills with Nathan Jones and coaches who will carry out his instructions. Eat together, bond together and form partnerships all over the field and understand your role in the team.
Professional football team being professional to improve. What a radical idea.
Up until today, even though we have been slipping down the table, I thought we wont be going down. I've thought that there are at least 4 worse teams than, that we have (had ?) the leagues top goalscorer & that we have talented youngsters that would pull us through.
Sorry to say I've been misled. I have no idea where the next goal is going to come from. We have no natural "wingers" who can trick & tease their way into the box and either get a penalty or cross the ball for Alfie May to finish off. We have no creative / attacking midfielder who can play a slide rule pass for Alfie May to run onto & finish. We have nothing. We do have half a dozen defenders who can pass the ball about until they either lose it or lump it forward for 5ft 7 Alfie May to battle against 6ft 2 defenders.
Currently the only saving grace is that we are losing by the odd goal & so our GD is better than the other bottom 6 sides. That might change next week when we play Reading.
Today was the first time I really feared that we can go down. We have the "smell" of a relegated team.
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
Jack Marriott who has 5 L1 goals this season (same as Stockley), hasn’t scored since 1st November and just dropped a division?
Going to Wrexham is a false version of dropping a division. Same reason Mullin, Lee, Foster and O'Connell dropped leagues to join them
Agree. Paul Mullin's is on a Championship wage and has been good enough over the last 3 years to play in the Championship BUT chose the Hollywood team and apparently is earning shedloads off the pitch as well. Jack Marriott despite dropping a division will also get a wage increase though I wouldn't expect it to be near the excellent Mullin's wage.
The goal aside I thought we looked better today. That goal was a sucker punch though. But we didn’t deserve to lose. I think our additions are better. I like Coventry, Bakinson, Edmunds-Green and Gillesphey. Derby are a top 3 team and we matched them apart from that goal.
I thought, in general, we had a better shape for most of the game which has not been the case for most or even all of our games this season.
But, our turnaround isn’t going to happen overnight. Our players are shell shocked really and when Derby scored you could feel the energy draining out of them and out of the crowd. It was a sucker punch. But we did pick ourselves up and gave a good account of ourselves without really looking like scoring. But again, Derby are a good team.
Our aim is to avoid relegation and I think we’ll do that. But it will take work and that’s what Nathan Jones is being brought in to do. And as fans we should try to stay positive. I know it’s not easy as we’ve been through a lot and this season has, unexpectedly, hit a new low. But things will slowly get better and then we can go from there. One game at a time.
Fleming said pretty much what I was going to, and far better, in his post match interview. Whatever happens to him now at Charlton I think he's earned some respect for his calm, measured but honest manner.
Some nice stuff but punished for a mistake and then couldn't create enough chances.
Derby in control most of the game even if we had more possession.
Superb "game management" from them, even turning us around after winning the toss.
Both sides went long first half, far less playing it out from the back.
Not signing Ikpeazu or A N Other centre forward looking a bigger and bigger mistake every week.
No one to hit up front and the ball never stuck.
Some encouraging individual performances, lots of effort and commitment but as a team we are regressing.
We used to score and concede, now we just don't look like scoring.
Major major trouble. Massive roll of the dice on Jones. Here’s hoping he can do it. Relegation to League 1 was supposed to be a holiday where we’d batter everyone. Imagine being in division 4... Imperative we stay up
Carry on like this and we won't be imagining it!
Each transfer window must get more difficult with our reputation as career killers.
Sorry trying to cheer people up.
56 years ago today Peter Reeves got married. In the morning and playing in the afternoon. He was 18 years old and was marking Rodney Marsh that day. .Some of Reeves team mates were hardly any older Bob Curtis 18, Dennis Booth 18,Paul Went 18 . John Stenson 19 and Bob Willis 20.
for the last 30muutes we played with 10 men and had been without our goalkeeper for most of the second half .
We drew 3-3 , QPR went up and Peter Reeves, Bob Curtis and Paul Went would go on to play over 820 games between them for Charlton.
Just trying to cheer everyone and myself up.
Sorry.
Great memories. Rodney Marsh had more tricks than Paul Daniels, they had the Morgan twins and Gerry Francis? Real entertainers.
I had a little reminisce myself yesterday as I sat there all forlorn in the East stand before K.O. I said to my son one of my all time favourite games was v Derby from way back ... he just looked into the mid distance - did I detect yawn?
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
In fairness, I hadn't heard of Dale Stephens, Michael Morrison or Yann Kermorgant before we signed them.
Les Reed’s first game as manager was away to Reading, that bounce went well.
Les Read has had just about every job in Football from coach, head of development to technical director of football including working with the England national team and the FA.
The two things that Les Reed couldn't attain was being a player or Manager with any success. Zero Appearances at 3 pro clubs and 6 weeks as Manager of Charlton was a hapless failure with the defeat to Wycombe in QF being Reed's Waterloo.
Les Reed couldn't have a new manager's bounce as he wasn't a manager despite Murray thinking he was.
I suppose the plus point was we competed physically and were just as good as them apart from a stupid mistake, which it seems we always make, whoever makes it and we are always punished for it. The negatives were we didn't show much creativity apart from a couple of crisp moves maybe. I think Maynard-Brewer has become a negative. I thought people were being hard on him a few games ago but the last few games the lack of form has spread to him. Not to blame for the goal though.
Another negative that people lauding our window have missed is that we have been over reliant on CBT offensively. We have lost that this window. It is also a possibility, as metioned above, that Derby are a dour defensive side who consequently are hard to beat but have very little about them. Probably one of the worst teams you can make a big mistake against although we haven't beat the other teams we have made big mistakes against either. I thought Coventry looked decent if I am grasping for positives. We looked better when we changed formation a bit, our starting wing backs are terrible offensively. To the point where they can not be classed as wing backs IMO. Thomas looked a better wing back when he briefly played that position FFS!
I think we should ditch the 5 at the back. It doesn't make us better defensively and the wing backs are crap. We have some good defensive midfielders and Coventry and Dobbo could play in front of the back four covering the other when one goes forwards. That would allow us to start somebody like L Watson. In fairness to May, he is such an honest player that if you give him too much to do, he does it, sometimes to the detriment of what he is good at. We need Aneke back. Even if it is only for four or so games to turn the tide.
I think we're now being shown why many of us on here hadn't heard of these players we'd signed. We've all heard of Johnson Clarke-Harris, Aaron Collins, Owen Dale & Jack Marriott......because they are pretty good.
In fairness, I hadn't heard of Dale Stephens, Michael Morrison or Yann Kermorgant before we signed them.
People on here were demanding the signing of Lapado and looking at his performances thus far, I wouldn't say his signing has been game changing. I actually disagreed with some posters on here, I felt yesterday's performance by Lapado was better, not brilliant but better, I also felt that he and Alfie May were starved of any service, as was Kanu. When we did actually manage to get crosses in, we caused them problems, sadly I counted just four crosses into the box, two in each half. The wing back experiment fails because both Edun and Watson are not very good at what we are asking them to do, contrast their talents with someone like Lawrie Wilson, a player who would bomb up and down the right hand side and actually cross the ball.
Until we stop trying to emulate a PL team in trying to play out of the back I’m afraid we will keep making the same mistakes and gifting goals. How many times have we been caught in possession this way and conceded from it, we must be in double figures now? We fail to pressure hard enough and fail to force errors from our opponents, we are a mess. Need to get rid of this pretty tippy tappy football and start playing with aggression.
Bloody hell. It's so depressing. I'm sure we must have had worse runs of form/results in my 60 years supporting Charlton but this is right up down there with them.
I just hope that NJ can make a quick and decisive impact. Relegation to League Two is an horrendous but realistic prospect.
Entirely expected set up against an automatic promotion chaser.
Just before they scored we’d quietened their crowd, we put a few little combinations together and then Mendez-Laing came back on the pitch.
It was absolutely the worst time to concede, completely stalled us and played right into what Derby are. A horrible team (but effective) with no flow, no rhythm, constant spoiling and disrupting momentum.
Point all the fingers at Macca for the pass, that’s easy! What about Ness’s positioning as well? What about Conner’s ridiculously late position change?
Ness was offline and wide before the ball advanced from deep! He was in a safe possession build up position He needed to be connected with TT, then move (to what was his starting position) if the pass connects to create an option! Mendez Laing would be 1v2 if he had!
Macca’s disguised a reverse into Connor who was there until his passing foot was in the air. Connor bought the disguised clearance which wasn’t for him and was off looking to support behind.
The pass stunk of a lack of cohesion and understanding between players unfamiliar with each other.
A slight positive looking forward - the squad isn’t moulded together in an identity. NJ can arrive at training tomorrow and begin shaping that, from its most basic form without having to undo too much first.
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We are in deep deep shit - this is a relegation battle - fucking hell - prospect (potentially) of Div 4, I feel sick
Our wonderful, lovely, gorgeous club, that we all love soooo much
We might be sinking to the lowest point ever, maybe we have arrived already ….
(and yes, I well remember almost disappearing all together in the 80’s before Sunley ‘saved’ us - but we were Div 2 then, and it was a totally different world ….)
Is Istead any better? I'm not too sure. What about Ward? Don't know, but doubt it.
I'm still hopeful confident that we have enough to stay up, but an experienced No1 must be a priority in the summer.
SMT are the present incumbents getting it in the neck but years of failures with a disparate bunch of owners, middle men and outright charlatan like Matt Southall have dragged this club down to its present state of incompetence.
Every Manager/head coach has struggled in the last six years to stop the slide. JJ managed to get Cafc from 22nd to 13th but that wasn't deemed a success.
Andy Scott should've been the best thing that could happen to Cafc after the Amateur Sandgaard family, and the chaos that preceded them with fake sheikh, cars and bitches and even Football men like Bowyer and Gallen were complicit in the super duper phone charade.
Andy Scott stays until the bitter end of this nightmare season and the inquest can start with his bosses, why he felt Appleton could galvanise dispirited players and fans alike ?
Bad call Scott as you did the interview.
The only thing that matters is staying in League one this season. Depressing but that is our reality.
Losing to Derby who had nearly double our points is no surprise and Fleming had set the team up in a damage limitation mode and when the present band of strangers only concede two goals in two matches it nearly succeeded BUT now our attacking has dried up with CBT going and even Alfie losing his scoring Mojo (Hardly surprising)
One more time for the soapbox rant: Charlton players should spend Morning and afternoon at Sparrows lane until the end of the season doing drills with Nathan Jones and coaches who will carry out his instructions. Eat together, bond together and form partnerships all over the field and understand your role in the team.
Professional football team being professional to improve.
What a radical idea.
Sorry to say I've been misled. I have no idea where the next goal is going to come from. We have no natural "wingers" who can trick & tease their way into the box and either get a penalty or cross the ball for Alfie May to finish off. We have no creative / attacking midfielder who can play a slide rule pass for Alfie May to run onto & finish. We have nothing. We do have half a dozen defenders who can pass the ball about until they either lose it or lump it forward for 5ft 7 Alfie May to battle against 6ft 2 defenders.
Currently the only saving grace is that we are losing by the odd goal & so our GD is better than the other bottom 6 sides. That might change next week when we play Reading.
Today was the first time I really feared that we can go down. We have the "smell" of a relegated team.
Agree.
Paul Mullin's is on a Championship wage and has been good enough over the last 3 years to play in the Championship BUT chose the Hollywood team and apparently is earning shedloads off the pitch as well.
Jack Marriott despite dropping a division will also get a wage increase though I wouldn't expect it to be near the excellent Mullin's wage.
The only reason I wanted to upload this, is because I got my uncle Anthony on the vlog, otherwise I may have scrapped it 😂
Anyway, tried to do what I could, cheers 🍻
https://x.com/bbclondonsport/status/1753841090145157472?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g
Some nice stuff but punished for a mistake and then couldn't create enough chances.
Derby in control most of the game even if we had more possession.
Superb "game management" from them, even turning us around after winning the toss.
Both sides went long first half, far less playing it out from the back.
Not signing Ikpeazu or A N Other centre forward looking a bigger and bigger mistake every week.
No one to hit up front and the ball never stuck.
Some encouraging individual performances, lots of effort and commitment but as a team we are regressing.
We used to score and concede, now we just don't look like scoring.
Reading away now a relegation six pointer.
Oh, for a new manager bounce.
I had a little reminisce myself yesterday as I sat there all forlorn in the East stand before K.O. I said to my son one of my all time favourite games was v Derby from way back ... he just looked into the mid distance - did I detect yawn?
Our defence still looks like making one very costly decision a game
Our attack looks toothless without CBT
We got zero points yesterday
We were incredibly lucky to get one last week
We have the second worst form in the division of a mighty ONE POINT FROM EIGHTEEN available
1 win in 12
No clean sheet in 15
Yet people are confident we will stay up.
Confident?
Not a word I can use.
Les Read has had just about every job in Football from coach, head of development to technical director of football including working with the England national team and the FA.
The two things that Les Reed couldn't attain was being a player or Manager with any success. Zero Appearances at 3 pro clubs and 6 weeks as Manager of Charlton was a hapless failure with the defeat to Wycombe in QF being Reed's Waterloo.
Les Reed couldn't have a new manager's bounce as he wasn't a manager despite Murray thinking he was.
Another negative that people lauding our window have missed is that we have been over reliant on CBT offensively. We have lost that this window. It is also a possibility, as metioned above, that Derby are a dour defensive side who consequently are hard to beat but have very little about them. Probably one of the worst teams you can make a big mistake against although we haven't beat the other teams we have made big mistakes against either. I thought Coventry looked decent if I am grasping for positives. We looked better when we changed formation a bit, our starting wing backs are terrible offensively. To the point where they can not be classed as wing backs IMO. Thomas looked a better wing back when he briefly played that position FFS!
I think we should ditch the 5 at the back. It doesn't make us better defensively and the wing backs are crap. We have some good defensive midfielders and Coventry and Dobbo could play in front of the back four covering the other when one goes forwards. That would allow us to start somebody like L Watson. In fairness to May, he is such an honest player that if you give him too much to do, he does it, sometimes to the detriment of what he is good at. We need Aneke back. Even if it is only for four or so games to turn the tide.
I just hope that NJ can make a quick and decisive impact. Relegation to League Two is an horrendous but realistic prospect.
Macca’s disguised a reverse into Connor who was there until his passing foot was in the air. Connor bought the disguised clearance which wasn’t for him and was off looking to support behind.