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Kayne Ramsay signs from Harrogate - 3.5 year deal, undisclosed fee, subject to EFL approval

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  • edited November 6
    I just noticed that Kayne has never played more than 26 games in a season. Not sure if due to injuries, but now had two in the short time he's been here.
  • edited November 6
    Chunes said:
    I just noticed that Kayne has never played more than 26 games in a season. Not sure if due to injuries, but now had two in the short time he's been here.
    He played 37-games (31-in the League) last season in all competitions... 30 for Harrogate / 7 for Charlton - But yeah that ten game gap for Harrogate in his first season with them, is confusing as TransferMarkt just says he wasnt in the squad for those absent games.
  • edited November 6
    Chunes said:
    I just noticed that Kayne has never played more than 26 games in a season. Not sure if due to injuries, but now had two in the short time he's been here.
    He played 37-games (31-in the League) last season in all competitions... 30 for Harrogate / 7 for Charlton - But yeah that ten game gap for Harrogate in his first season with them, is confusing as TransferMarkt just says he wasnt in the squad for those absent games.
    Well spotted. After further research it seems he had a horrific facial fracture.
  • I understand the reluctance to put a firm date on something like this. The player will have set himself a target and that is what matters.
  • Chunes said:
    Chunes said:
    I just noticed that Kayne has never played more than 26 games in a season. Not sure if due to injuries, but now had two in the short time he's been here.
    He played 37-games (31-in the League) last season in all competitions... 30 for Harrogate / 7 for Charlton - But yeah that ten game gap for Harrogate in his first season with them, is confusing as TransferMarkt just says he wasnt in the squad for those absent games.
    Well spotted. After further research it seems he had a horrific facial fracture.
    Loves an impact injury then!!
  • edited November 6
    It's in everyone interest including the player for a statement to be put out on the Injury and possible timeline, to save Ramsey being asked the same question ad nauseam.
    Disagree.

    It's his private business whatever medical condition he has. If he wants to share it fine but a statement won't stop the questions.

    Firstly, any timescale is only an estimate and secondly it sets expectations among fans which means that some than demand an inquest if he isn't back at the earliest possible date.

    Thirdly, why give an advantage to other clubs over our players' availability or to clubs from whom we are seeking to source a replacement.

    We are not talking about mental health and not sure if you have noticed but most other clubs tell their fan base what type of injury their player's have. Agree a time scale can be problematical but as we see with other posts, fans will speculate on what is the injury and will say X player took 3 months or 6 months so better to have a clear and concise statement from the club. 
    Some of Chuks Aneke issues were not passed on to the fanbase which was fair as it was outside the normal range of football injuries.

    WIOTOS will be a positive for Ramsey.
  • It's in everyone interest including the player for a statement to be put out on the Injury and possible timeline, to save Ramsey being asked the same question ad nauseam.
    Disagree.

    It's his private business whatever medical condition he has. If he wants to share it fine but a statement won't stop the questions.

    Firstly, any timescale is only an estimate and secondly it sets expectations among fans which means that some than demand an inquest if he isn't back at the earliest possible date.

    Thirdly, why give an advantage to other clubs over our players' availability or to clubs from whom we are seeking to source a replacement.
    I disagree with some of these points, particularly the first. If a player suffers an injury, either in game or on the training ground, I think fans should be told the nature of the injury. I cannot see how it’s private when the injury occurs in front of the fanbase. Non football related illnesses including any mental’health issues, there I would agree.

    Timeframes, partly agree. The issue here can be managed by offering an initial range of tîme, and erring on the pessimistic. 

    I don’t think silence is the way to stop unfounded ignorant speculation. Education, broadly, is the antidote. Thats why I am so looking forward to listening to Dr Will Abbott, special guest of CAST AGM, on-line on Nov.28. 
  • Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

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  • https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24693177.bolton-wanderers-launch-huge-review-injury-problems/

    Pertinent in two ways.

    1. Having announced that, no way will they be able to keep the findings secret.

    2. Who on here knew that Bolton have been injury-hit to that degree? It casts doubt on the narrative (which heaven knows, I have easily believed) that our problems are unique or significantly worse than rivals. That.s why one of the questions for Will Abbott will be whether we have a data - based perspective on how bad we are with injuries and recovery, for a club at this level.@Mendonca In Asdas posed just this question some days back.
  • One thing that informs fans that watch the action is about what action leads to what consequences. 
    So seeing a player fall awkwardly, or a tackle that is reckless, or a trip, fall, push or clash of heads leads me as a fan to be curious about the consequences. It is all part of being an interested spectator.
  • It's in everyone interest including the player for a statement to be put out on the Injury and possible timeline, to save Ramsey being asked the same question ad nauseam.
    Disagree.

    It's his private business whatever medical condition he has. If he wants to share it fine but a statement won't stop the questions.

    Firstly, any timescale is only an estimate and secondly it sets expectations among fans which means that some than demand an inquest if he isn't back at the earliest possible date.

    Thirdly, why give an advantage to other clubs over our players' availability or to clubs from whom we are seeking to source a replacement.
    You'd be no good following American sports then where teams literally have to publish an injury report game by game.

    "The NFL requires that teams provide credible, accurate, and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league's broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason”.

    Same in the NBA as well.
  • It's in everyone interest including the player for a statement to be put out on the Injury and possible timeline, to save Ramsey being asked the same question ad nauseam.
    Disagree.

    It's his private business whatever medical condition he has. If he wants to share it fine but a statement won't stop the questions.

    Firstly, any timescale is only an estimate and secondly it sets expectations among fans which means that some than demand an inquest if he isn't back at the earliest possible date.

    Thirdly, why give an advantage to other clubs over our players' availability or to clubs from whom we are seeking to source a replacement.
    You'd be no good following American sports then where teams literally have to publish an injury report game by game.

    "The NFL requires that teams provide credible, accurate, and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league's broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason”.

    Same in the NBA as well.
    Because it's a franchise sport, and teams play fast and loose with that info anyway
  • I think, like me, most fans want to see the better players, in our mind, back from injury as soon as possible. If we are not playing well, we hope our favourite player will return soon to make results better
  • mendonca said:
    Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

    Kanu is his ankle, Ramsay obviously his knee, NJ did say what Aneke tweaked in a press conference but I can’t remember and I think TC is his calf? Honestly think body part and a vague time frame is all that can be justified as being released unless the player wants to say more. The Ahadme situation is perfect, NJ said it was his chest but there was no need for fans to know he was in hospital etc
  • fenaddick said:
    mendonca said:
    Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

    Kanu is his ankle, Ramsay obviously his knee, NJ did say what Aneke tweaked in a press conference but I can’t remember and I think TC is his calf? Honestly think body part and a vague time frame is all that can be justified as being released unless the player wants to say more. The Ahadme situation is perfect, NJ said it was his chest but there was no need for fans to know he was in hospital etc
    There may not have been a need. But had it been known, the level of abuse he was getting on-line might have been mollified. Louis Mendez and his podcast people were very surprised to learn he’d been in hospital.


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  • It's in everyone interest including the player for a statement to be put out on the Injury and possible timeline, to save Ramsey being asked the same question ad nauseam.
    Disagree.

    It's his private business whatever medical condition he has. If he wants to share it fine but a statement won't stop the questions.

    Firstly, any timescale is only an estimate and secondly it sets expectations among fans which means that some than demand an inquest if he isn't back at the earliest possible date.

    Thirdly, why give an advantage to other clubs over our players' availability or to clubs from whom we are seeking to source a replacement.
    You'd be no good following American sports then where teams literally have to publish an injury report game by game.

    "The NFL requires that teams provide credible, accurate, and specific information about injured players to the league office, their opponents, local and national media, and the league's broadcast partners each week during the regular season and postseason”.

    Same in the NBA as well.
    Not the best day for holding up the American way of doing things as a shining example to the rest of us.
  • fenaddick said:
    mendonca said:
    Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

    Kanu is his ankle, Ramsay obviously his knee, NJ did say what Aneke tweaked in a press conference but I can’t remember and I think TC is his calf? Honestly think body part and a vague time frame is all that can be justified as being released unless the player wants to say more. The Ahadme situation is perfect, NJ said it was his chest but there was no need for fans to know he was in hospital etc
    There may not have been a need. But had it been known, the level of abuse he was getting on-line might have been mollified. Louis Mendez and his podcast people were very surprised to learn he’d been in hospital.


    You're taking the wrong lesson from this. The issue isn't with the club's handling of private medical information about one of its employees, the issue is with the with the online comments made about him and the people who made them.
    I’m surprised to say this about one of your posts, but I’ve read it several times and not sure what point you are making to me. 
    Anyway, overall I think more a more open approach would generally be helpful, even if it will not at a stroke silence all the more feverish and ignorant commentary. Nothing will, unfortunately. Others disagree. As in football as in wider British life, there are divergent views about the benefits of an “Open Society”. Let me turn the Ahadme question back to you. What was the benefit, and to whom, of keeping “private” the fact that he was seriously enough injured to be in hospital for several days? 
  • edited November 6
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    mendonca said:
    Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

    Kanu is his ankle, Ramsay obviously his knee, NJ did say what Aneke tweaked in a press conference but I can’t remember and I think TC is his calf? Honestly think body part and a vague time frame is all that can be justified as being released unless the player wants to say more. The Ahadme situation is perfect, NJ said it was his chest but there was no need for fans to know he was in hospital etc
    There may not have been a need. But had it been known, the level of abuse he was getting on-line might have been mollified. Louis Mendez and his podcast people were very surprised to learn he’d been in hospital.


    You're taking the wrong lesson from this. The issue isn't with the club's handling of private medical information about one of its employees, the issue is with the with the online comments made about him and the people who made them.
    I’m surprised to say this about one of your posts, but I’ve read it several times and not sure what point you are making to me. 
    Anyway, overall I think more a more open approach would generally be helpful, even if it will not at a stroke silence all the more feverish and ignorant commentary. Nothing will, unfortunately. Others disagree. As in football as in wider British life, there are divergent views about the benefits of an “Open Society”. Let me turn the Ahadme question back to you. What was the benefit, and to whom, of keeping “private” the fact that he was seriously enough injured to be in hospital for several days? 
    The point is that the online abuse shouldn’t happen whether we know the extent of an injury or not. The problem here isn’t a lack of knowledge about an injury, it’s that people love to pile on to someone online. 

    The benefit of us not knowing Ahadme was in hospital was that it gives him and his family and colleagues some privacy in case something goes horribly wrong. 
    OK, get that last para ( but not you/ Exiled Addick calling me out for a point I was not making) but why not reveal afterwards, once he was successfully discharged, I think after 3 days, that it had been that serious? There were people who started to doubt he was injured at all and that it was just a cover for NJ having to deal with his lack of form. How does that help him? Or his family? 
  • fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    mendonca said:
    Some good points being raised. 

    We're not actually aware what injury Ramsay, Kanu, Aneke (or even TC) have. I find it slightly unusual, especially if we use Josh Edward's injury as an example - communication was clear. But if others' feel this is due to player privacy and the club looking to gain a competitive advantage by withdrawing information, that's fine. Personally, I feel that after investing on the medical side of things, they didn't expect to rack up an injury list of this magnitude come October/November. 

    Kanu is his ankle, Ramsay obviously his knee, NJ did say what Aneke tweaked in a press conference but I can’t remember and I think TC is his calf? Honestly think body part and a vague time frame is all that can be justified as being released unless the player wants to say more. The Ahadme situation is perfect, NJ said it was his chest but there was no need for fans to know he was in hospital etc
    There may not have been a need. But had it been known, the level of abuse he was getting on-line might have been mollified. Louis Mendez and his podcast people were very surprised to learn he’d been in hospital.


    You're taking the wrong lesson from this. The issue isn't with the club's handling of private medical information about one of its employees, the issue is with the with the online comments made about him and the people who made them.
    I’m surprised to say this about one of your posts, but I’ve read it several times and not sure what point you are making to me. 
    Anyway, overall I think more a more open approach would generally be helpful, even if it will not at a stroke silence all the more feverish and ignorant commentary. Nothing will, unfortunately. Others disagree. As in football as in wider British life, there are divergent views about the benefits of an “Open Society”. Let me turn the Ahadme question back to you. What was the benefit, and to whom, of keeping “private” the fact that he was seriously enough injured to be in hospital for several days? 
    The point is that the online abuse shouldn’t happen whether we know the extent of an injury or not. The problem here isn’t a lack of knowledge about an injury, it’s that people love to pile on to someone online. 

    The benefit of us not knowing Ahadme was in hospital was that it gives him and his family and colleagues some privacy in case something goes horribly wrong. 
    OK, get that last para ( but not you/ Exiled Addick calling me out for a point I was not making) but why not reveal afterwards, once he was successfully discharged, I think after 3 days, that it had been that serious? There were people who started to doubt he was injured at all and that it was just a cover for NJ having to deal with his lack of form. How does that help him? Or his family? 
    Not sure anyone has called you out anywhere? 

    I can see your point about talking about it after Ahadme has been released but he still only returned to training last week, I guess there’s always a chance for complications. None of this has anything to do with Kayne Ramsay though
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