Sheffield Wednesday - Into Administration (p44)

MuttleyCAFC

Off_it said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I think the real issue is that Wednesday haven't taken advantage of promotion. It was a bit like us with Roland having a row with Bowyer, wanting to do it all on the cheap and Moore clearly didn't feel he was being supported properly. When you own a football club, you get a bit of momentum and sometimes that is the time when you need to fork out and ride it rather than stop it. 

Spend even more money you mean? And then what?

Get promoted and a return on your investment?

Off_it

MuttleyCAFC said:

Off_it said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I think the real issue is that Wednesday haven't taken advantage of promotion. It was a bit like us with Roland having a row with Bowyer, wanting to do it all on the cheap and Moore clearly didn't feel he was being supported properly. When you own a football club, you get a bit of momentum and sometimes that is the time when you need to fork out and ride it rather than stop it. 

Spend even more money you mean? And then what?

Get promoted and a return on your investment?

How do you get that return on investment, by selling?

MuttleyCAFC

In the Premier League you can. Not sure why people are in it just to lose money when they don't love the club.

ShootersHillGuru

When you’ve got whatever you want and can afford whatever you want whenever you want it I suppose you must get quite bored and need a distraction, hobby if you like. Why not own a football club and throw the dice and see what numbers come up. Much more likely to throw a 1 and not a 6 but that’s what gamblers do. Can’t think of another reason to splash your wealth on a football club that means virtually nothing to you. 

North Lower Neil

MuttleyCAFC said:

In the Premier League you can. Not sure why people are in it just to lose money when they don't love the club.

Ego, status.

Next thing up from flash cars and jewellery or whatever.

MuttleyCAFC

North Lower Neil said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

In the Premier League you can. Not sure why people are in it just to lose money when they don't love the club.

Ego, status.

Next thing up from flash cars and jewellery or whatever.

True but the other side of the coin is the abuse and disrespect.

SantaClaus

Boredom and an excuse to spend time away from the wife. It's like an allotment for rich people.

letthegoodtimesroll

In 2021/2022 PL turnover for the 20 clubs was a total of £5.5 billion. Worldwide recognition of those clubs was probably a third of the planet’s population. Getting a share of that is the real reason why people buy clubs

Cafc43v3r

MuttleyCAFC said:

In the Premier League you can. Not sure why people are in it just to lose money when they don't love the club.

There are 92 clubs currently in the football league plus at least 10 in the national league who have been for extended periods.

For these ease of the math, lets call it a round 100, what sort of % of them would you suggest have ever had an owner that has made money by selling the club for more than its cost them?

ken_shabby

I did see this morning that Sheffield Wednesday fans have raised something like 10,000 quid for the Bradley Lowery charity. Seems they were just as offended as the rest of the football world by what those two tossers did on Friday.

thenewbie

ken_shabby said:

I did see this morning that Sheffield Wednesday fans have raised something like 10,000 quid for the Bradley Lowery charity. Seems they were just as offended as the rest of the football world by what those two tossers did on Friday.

Fair play to them honestly. For once actions speak louder than words in a good way - not just a generic sounding denunciation but something positive done.

ForeverAddickted

Notice Sheffield Wednesday sadly lost a young fan to cancer yesterday, poor lil soul.

Henry Irving

Pleaded guilty to the offence.

Already lost his job as a window fitter as a result.

Awaiting sentencing.

DamoNorthStand

What is it with people who on the face of it look like normal folks with normal lives - doing such a poisonous flithy thing at a football match? I honestly thought it would be a photoshop or similar..... simply because I couldn't compute how someone would want to do such a thing.

I still can't compute it. 

Wonder what their families think of them?

Todds_right_hook

He went to court in a tracksuit, am I bad for judging him for that?

i also saw a woman in costa in pj's and a dressing gown. She had done her hair and put make up on! Scummy behaviour in my view

oohaahmortimer

DamoNorthStand said:

What is it with people who on the face of it look like normal folks with normal lives - doing such a poisonous flithy thing at a football match? I honestly thought it would be a photoshop or similar..... simply because I couldn't compute how someone would want to do such a thing.

I still can't compute it. 

Wonder what their families think of them?

So called ‘normal’ people (there is no such thing, we’re all fuckiing mad but deal with it differently) act up like complete bellends at football , almost playing to the crowd , oooh look at me I’m funny or at the scum oooh look at me I can bounce and be hard … cnuts basically 

Ducktapeshoerepairs

DaveMehmet said:

Police have arrested 2 people over the incident 

This is utterly disgusting and deplorable. I understand the arrest of the scumbag with the phone, but what did the other guy get arrested for, laughing? (which is extremely bad taste, but illegal ?)

ElfsborgAddick

Ducktapeshoerepairs said:

DaveMehmet said:

Police have arrested 2 people over the incident 

This is utterly disgusting and deplorable. I understand the arrest of the scumbag with the phone, but what did the other guy get arrested for, laughing? (which is extremely bad taste, but illegal ?)

The other geezer was bailed, although imagine he could get done for inciting a riot, among other things.

MillwallFan

oohaahmortimer said:

DamoNorthStand said:

What is it with people who on the face of it look like normal folks with normal lives - doing such a poisonous flithy thing at a football match? I honestly thought it would be a photoshop or similar..... simply because I couldn't compute how someone would want to do such a thing.

I still can't compute it. 

Wonder what their families think of them?

So called ‘normal’ people (there is no such thing, we’re all fuckiing mad but deal with it differently) act up like complete bellends at football , almost playing to the crowd , oooh look at me I’m funny or at the scum oooh look at me I can bounce and be hard … cnuts basically 

Us ‘scum’ did this when we played Sunderland…

Cafc43v3r

Henry Irving said:

Pleaded guilty to the offence.

Already lost his job as a window fitter as a result.

Awaiting sentencing.

What is the actual offence?

Obviously it's absolutely scummy behaviour and deserves everything they get and more but I can't see how it's actually anything more, legally, than a section 4?

DaveMehmet

Cafc43v3r said:

Henry Irving said:

Pleaded guilty to the offence.

Already lost his job as a window fitter as a result.

Awaiting sentencing.

What is the actual offence?

Obviously it's absolutely scummy behaviour and deserves everything they get and more but I can't see how it's actually anything more, legally, than a section 5?

Being a c*** in a built up area.

Cafc43v3r

DaveMehmet said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Henry Irving said:

Pleaded guilty to the offence.

Already lost his job as a window fitter as a result.

Awaiting sentencing.

What is the actual offence?

Obviously it's absolutely scummy behaviour and deserves everything they get and more but I can't see how it's actually anything more, legally, than a section 5?

Being a c*** in a built up area.

Unfortunately being a c£!@ isnt a criminal offence.

RC_CAFC

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

Chunes

RC_CAFC said:

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

Yeah, that's what he was charged with. 

ElfsborgAddick

RC_CAFC said:

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

The spanners will have an empty ground next week.

RC_CAFC

Charlton’s performance in the first half on Saturday was causing me harassment, alarm and distress.

Friend Or Defoe

Todds_right_hook said:

He went to court in a tracksuit, am I bad for judging him for that?

i also saw a woman in costa in pj's and a dressing gown. She had done her hair and put make up on! Scummy behaviour in my view

clb74

RC_CAFC said:

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

So are the police selective about this public order offence?
For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough.
Youngsters were crushed to death,  to my knowledge no ones never been arrested.
If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.

Athletico Charlton

clb74 said:

RC_CAFC said:

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

So are the police selective about this public order offence?
For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough.
Youngsters were crushed to death,  to my knowledge no ones never been arrested.
If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/man-arrested-at-fa-cup-final-for-wearing-offensive-hillsborough-shirt-12895849

Cafc43v3r

clb74 said:

RC_CAFC said:

Assume it would be a public order offence. 

Section 4A of the public order act is the offence of intentionally causing harassment, alarm or distress by your words or actions. Think that fits the bill pretty well with what he did.

So are the police selective about this public order offence?
For years Man u fans have sung , chanted about Hillsborough.
Youngsters were crushed to death,  to my knowledge no ones never been arrested.
If we are going to start handing out prison sentences for public order offences I hope its across the board.

I got done for a section 4 at Sunderland, funny enough, years I still maintain I didn't do anything "wrong" other than beinga bit of a dick.  I got £50 costs and a 6 month conditional discharge.