I'm with Seth, every time we lose a game the manager should be sacked. What is wrong with having 15 managers a season?
I think that is the ultimate vision for this club, but it's baby steps. We'll have to settle for 2 a season for now. Let's see what happens in January.
In the cold light of day I'm feeling less bad about this appointment tbh, he has a record of getting teams punching slightly above their weight, and if our weight is borderline-playoffs then that's a good sign, right?
In the cold light of day I'm feeling less bad about this appointment tbh, he has a record of getting teams punching slightly above their weight, and if our weight is borderline-playoffs then that's a good sign, right?
What makes you think our weight is borderline play offs?
We failed to do that last year We have won two of eight this year
Anybody saying "he'll do alright"
Is simply accepting we are a mid table, division three club. History says we're not.
I don't want to accept mid table division three. I aspire to better than that.
As I understand it, the interview with Fraser, following Appleton's appointment suggested that the 'modern' style of management, invloves a club higher management choosing and buying, or selling, players as THEY see fit, and the Team manager, simply getting the lads trained and sorting match day squads.
I'm not so sure that many of those who could have, or did interview, would be accepting of those terms.
Was it not reported previously that Appleton had gone on record staying that he just wanted any club to give him the chance to prove himself.
I guess it's old ground now. He's one of us, as opposed to being a outsider, so gets my support. But as with most things Charlton related right now, I remain unconvinced until proven otherwise.
Doubling down on expectations doesn't make them happen. Hopefully MA can bring some improvements and get us within achieving distance of the play-offs.
NO-ONE wants to "accept mid table division three". However not accepting a fact doesn't change it. We are mid table division three. I hope MA can make us higher table division three this season.
I'm actually really impressed with Scott off the back of his interview around Appleton's appointment. The standards are ultimately what has slipped during Sandgaards reign and I do feel like we've become a club that accepts mediocrity in recent times, let's hope they're more than just empty words and we start to see that ruthless elite level mentality
He's got to be a better bet than Holden or Garner hasn't he? My general feeling about this appointment is one of apathy and resignation. We've made disappointment our very best friend and I am finding it difficult invest any passion for fear of being let down again. My gut feeling is that he could turn out to be success but who knows. I certainly don't think the fanbase is in the mood to be patient. I hope to God he doesn't turn up at the Oak for a pint with the lads. Sick of that sort of bonding shit. It appears he's the aloof type and that suits me. I hope he's allowed to select his back-up team. Pearce and Hayes can go back to the children. One thing I want to see is proper progress with our perennially shit set pieces
I didn’t realise what a big bastard he was. Always thought he was a scrawny bloke. At least he has a presence. I think the first thing he should do is knock out Charlie Kirk. Put a marker down to the rest of the squad!
Didn't he have him on loan at Blackpool or am I a season out?
Season out... Kirk was there in 2021/22, Appleton was 2022/23
I'm not as down on this as many others seem to be. I agree it doesn't set the pulses racing but according to reports he is good with young players, which by accident or design we will need to rely on this season. I can see the logic.
To be honest what i really think we need is someone with tactical nous. Dean was, I think, a good motivator / vibes man but not much more. I reckon with some tactics and good/better coaching we should improve. If it's enough to make the play offs I don't know, but I am pretty certain we weren't getting there under dean, good bloke though he is
Thinking about it and qualities as an actual manager aside I suppose that Appleton does have one advantage in that he's dealt with weirdo regimes and background issues before so he probably actually DOES know what he's in for.
Him being willing to go back through it again could be taken either way but at least he's probably as well equipped as anyone to just get on with his job... for better or worse.
Also the reaction from other fans seems more positive, so I think there may be an element of us having been through the wringer so much we treat every decision as nefarious when the reality may just be that league 1 side make a logical appointment of a league 1 manager
I'm actually really impressed with Scott off the back of his interview around Appleton's appointment. The standards are ultimately what has slipped during Sandgaards reign and I do feel like we've become a club that accepts mediocrity in recent times, let's hope they're more than just empty words and we start to see that ruthless elite level mentality
Agree. I think Scott has been wrongly given the Roddy treatment by some fans, he’s clearly a football man that is trying to get us out of our 4 year slump. No easy task. Both he and Appleton need time.
I don’t see any reason why with the right organisation, motivation and luck with injuries why this group of players can’t now slowly start to climb the table. Currently this squad is less than the sum of its parts and Appleton has the experience to reverse that. I’m genuinely not expecting top four but I believe that top six is achievable even if it’s with a slow climb and late run. In fact I’d say that’s a good thing. I think MA’s number one priority has to be to get the defence sorted out. At present it’s our complete downfall. Stevenage needs to be the start of our season. I think a point there and ideally a clean sheet is the target. Anything else a bonus.
Top Six? With this squad? I mean if you had some evidence to back it up I'd love to agree with you / hope it happens.
Sadly..... we don't
Exactly! No evidence as yet as some of our new players haven't even started a game for us. New manager might get defence organized and improve confidence. Have you evidence that he won't?
You've written off the squad and manager this season after six league games. Now that is worthy of a 'lol'
Just listened to the Appleton and Scott interviews and I find myself a bit more enthused. I know it's easy to talk a good game, but I thought Scott spoke with a conviction and lucidity that convinced me they mean business and Appleton seems to have a bit more about him than Deano did.
Top Six? With this squad? I mean if you had some evidence to back it up I'd love to agree with you / hope it happens.
Sadly..... we don't
Exactly! No evidence as yet as some of our new players haven't even started a game for us. New manager might get defence organized and improve confidence. Have you evidence that he won't?
You've written off the squad and manager this season after six league games. Now that is worthy of a 'lol'
I have liked your post However, the evidence of what will be 1/8 of our season (and all of last season) suggests the current squad will finish mid table, around 15-20 points outside the play offs. I am hopeful this isn't the case I wouldn't bet on it though
It's not about writing them off I am a Charlton fan
I am simply basing it on the body of evidence we have.
You say only six games
I say the last three years
How many managers? How many failed set ups? How many broken promises?
I WANT us to do well
Everybody does
But what we see before our very eyes suggests, so far, to not be the case.
I hope Appleton and the SMT prove me wrong
Appleton's stats, Sunderland Till I Die and the shit show we've become suggest otherwise.
Again. I wanted to be wrong in January. I want to be wrong now.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
Would you prefer they appointed someone with no track record of working with and developing young players? I think the the best suggestion I’ve heard is taking break and seeing how it goes for ten matches or so.
Judging by the start to season there’s no easy fix unfortunately.
A track record is so in the past. As I have repeatedly said across a number of threads it is wins in the future I would like to become our track record. I am fed up with all this project stuff, direction of travel stuff, working with youngsters stuff, but I would be mightily cheered by winning the next eight games and eventual automatic promotion. Wouldn’t everybody be?
It’s just a bit glib Seth. Of course everybody would like to win the next eight matches, but what contribution to the debate are you making saying that? So if we win seven and lose one are we supposed to reach for the pitchforks? How about five wins, two defeats and a draw? Four wins, two draws and two defeats? I get that you’re not happy about the appointment, but perhaps take a pause, and see how we get on over the next ten games? The bare minimum we need is improvement, and because of all the weirdness we’ve seen over the last seven games (bizarre line ups, failures to sub 18 years olds barely able to run, odd tactics, late substitutions etc etc) I don’t think that’ll be too hard to achieve. George Alek has made some quite positive comments about MA, and he knows more about him than either of us, I suspect. Certainly way more than me.
It would actually be quite Charlton for the least welcomed managerial appointment since Fraeye to turn out to be quite successful.
Some of the negativity has been a bit bonkers, although perhaps understandable when the general state of the club is taken into account.
PS Seth, re your other post: No, it’s not just you and Appleton that want promotion. Every single Charlton fan wants promotion, from the most negative, to the most positive. Pretty sure you know that though.
I have watched his interview, heard what he has to say, and read comments about what he is supposed to be good at.
One has been good at working with and developing young players.
Eh?
Like Elerewe, Mitchell, Chin, Henry, Anderson, Campbell, Asimwe, Maynard Brewer, Leaburn, Ness, Kanu (and others on the way like Bower, Rylah, Laqeretabua etc) have they not been worked with, developed and given their chances already?
Yeah right.
In terms of Charlton Athletic’s need, unearthing and deploying our young talent has been going fine thank you very much, what on earth can Appleton add to what’s been going on already?
I call bollocks on the work with youngsters mantra, unless I am missing something obvious.
No Appleton, it is not about getting with the project and agreeing with where the opaque ownership want us to go, the so called developing youngsters.
No Mr Appleton, your entire raison d’etre at Charlton is to WIN.
Starting away at Stevenage on Saturday, then Wycombe at home, then Shrewsbury away, then Exeter and your old club Blackpool both at home, then Derby away, Reading at home and another of your old clubs Lincoln City away.
Appleton you’re not needed to help the development of our youngsters, that is bollocks being thrown around by the Shamocracy salivating about getting our young players to a point of being able to sell them. They might want you to fatten up the cash cows, but we the supporters want you to win matches, over and over again.
Get those wins and a conversation can start. Lose or draw at Stevenage and in my eyes you will have to have a Rhino hide (which judging by that vapid interview I think you already have) because I will not be the only one wanting you gone.
so if we don't win at Stevenage you want him gone? Wow. Just wow. You are fast approaching RonnieMoore levels of WUMMING arn't you?
If we win at Stevenage that will add up to three points from three away games. That then leaves the six points dropped at home to make up. If we lose at Stevenage that leaves us nine points to make up (in my target for automatic promotion). So the best way to shut me up is for Michael Appleton to win at Stevenage. I know I am in a minority in my stance, most people want to give this circus a chance which means a longer term tolerance than I feel like giving. My tolerance level is short term, so the argument might be where is the breaking point for you and others. I have at least marked out my territory, wins and promotion.
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We failed to do that last year
We have won two of eight this year
Anybody saying "he'll do alright"
Is simply accepting we are a mid table, division three club. History says we're not.
I don't want to accept mid table division three.
I aspire to better than that.
I'm not so sure that many of those who could have, or did interview, would be accepting of those terms.
Was it not reported previously that Appleton had gone on record staying that he just wanted any club to give him the chance to prove himself.
I guess it's old ground now. He's one of us, as opposed to being a outsider, so gets my support. But as with most things Charlton related right now, I remain unconvinced until proven otherwise.
NO-ONE wants to "accept mid table division three". However not accepting a fact doesn't change it. We are mid table division three. I hope MA can make us higher table division three this season.
My general feeling about this appointment is one of apathy and resignation.
We've made disappointment our very best friend and I am finding it difficult invest any passion for fear of being let down again.
My gut feeling is that he could turn out to be success but who knows.
I certainly don't think the fanbase is in the mood to be patient.
I hope to God he doesn't turn up at the Oak for a pint with the lads. Sick of that sort of bonding shit.
It appears he's the aloof type and that suits me.
I hope he's allowed to select his back-up team.
Pearce and Hayes can go back to the children.
One thing I want to see is proper progress with our perennially shit set pieces
To be honest what i really think we need is someone with tactical nous. Dean was, I think, a good motivator / vibes man but not much more. I reckon with some tactics and good/better coaching we should improve. If it's enough to make the play offs I don't know, but I am pretty certain we weren't getting there under dean, good bloke though he is
It will be very hard to come back from that.
Him being willing to go back through it again could be taken either way but at least he's probably as well equipped as anyone to just get on with his job... for better or worse.
Plum by name.....
With this squad?
I mean if you had some evidence to back it up I'd love to agree with you / hope it happens.
Sadly..... we don't
You've written off the squad and manager this season after six league games. Now that is worthy of a 'lol'
Heart wants to let it rip, but head's advising patience....
IF we win next Saturday, and the performance suggests that the wind is changing (?) , I think that'll be the time to let it go.
( Best not to be in my vicinity at that point. You've been warned
I know it's easy to talk a good game, but I thought Scott spoke with a conviction and lucidity that convinced me they mean business and Appleton seems to have a bit more about him than Deano did.
Oooh, I love a woman who talks dirty...🙄
That will do for me for a start.
However, the evidence of what will be 1/8 of our season (and all of last season) suggests the current squad will finish mid table, around 15-20 points outside the play offs.
I am hopeful this isn't the case
I wouldn't bet on it though
It's not about writing them off
I am a Charlton fan
I am simply basing it on the body of evidence we have.
You say only six games
I say the last three years
How many managers?
How many failed set ups?
How many broken promises?
I WANT us to do well
Everybody does
But what we see before our very eyes suggests, so far, to not be the case.
I hope Appleton and the SMT prove me wrong
Appleton's stats, Sunderland Till I Die and the shit show we've become suggest otherwise.
Again. I wanted to be wrong in January. I want to be wrong now.
I really, really, REALLY want to be wrong.
I simply wouldn't bet on it though.
So if we win seven and lose one are we supposed to reach for the pitchforks? How about five wins, two defeats and a draw? Four wins, two draws and two defeats?
I get that you’re not happy about the appointment, but perhaps take a pause, and see how we get on over the next ten games? The bare minimum we need is improvement, and because of all the weirdness we’ve seen over the last seven games (bizarre line ups, failures to sub 18 years olds barely able to run, odd tactics, late substitutions etc etc) I don’t think that’ll be too hard to achieve. George Alek has made some quite positive comments about MA, and he knows more about him than either of us, I suspect. Certainly way more than me.
If he can stop the basic errors, give us a better defensive shape and improve set pieces that's already a big points improvement.