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The UK is to rejoin the EU wide Horizon science scheme.

seth plum
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Is it political to mention that the UK wants and is poised to rejoin the EU scientific Horizon scheme and get part of the £85 billion available?
Is re joining such a scheme and working in harmony with the Netherlands, Austria, France, Malta, Belgium, Germany, Bulgaria, Greece, Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Portugal, Cyprus, Republic of Ireland, Romania, Czech Republic, Italy, Slovakia, Denmark, Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, Lithuania, Spain, Finland, Luxembourg and Sweden the wrong thing to do because it is anti democratic when after all the 2016 referendum was framed in some quarters of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland not needing them as much as they need us?
Will scientific cooperation and collaboration help in tackling climate change?
Is re joining such a scheme and working in harmony with the Netherlands, Austria, France, Malta, Belgium, Germany, Bulgaria, Greece, Poland, Croatia, Hungary, Portugal, Cyprus, Republic of Ireland, Romania, Czech Republic, Italy, Slovakia, Denmark, Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, Lithuania, Spain, Finland, Luxembourg and Sweden the wrong thing to do because it is anti democratic when after all the 2016 referendum was framed in some quarters of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland not needing them as much as they need us?
Will scientific cooperation and collaboration help in tackling climate change?
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Opened a can of worms now Seth...hold on to your hat....🙄😴2
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Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.7 -
seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.
Are you suggesting the EU actively want to stop or even reduce people smuggling to the UK anyway? Your definitely opening up a political debate by introducing illegal migration into this thread2 -
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Cooperation on any level about anything can never be a bad thing.6
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Daft to leave it, glad we are going back in.
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IdleHans said:Daft to leave it, glad we are going back in.2
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PrincessFiona said:IdleHans said:Daft to leave it, glad we are going back in.9
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ShootersHillGuru said:PrincessFiona said:IdleHans said:Daft to leave it, glad we are going back in.
Preferable to all or nothing0 -
seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.3 - Sponsored links:
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eastterrace6168 said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.2 -
ShootersHillGuru said:eastterrace6168 said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.2 -
Q - Have you joined Horizon ?A - No we’ve rejoined
Q - Oh. Why did you leave if you were keen on membership ?A - That’s not important. We don’t want to talk about that.
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Q What are the advantages to being part of Horizon?
No, need to discuss your questions if you are (only) discussing the advantages of rejoining it. Unless you want to bring the politics or incapable or ringfencing a simple question. Not 'we don't want to talk about that' - no need to talk about that to answer a simple question
Could you discuss advantages with joining it with a country who were considering joining without discussing why the UK left it temporarily? Of course you could. In fact that country would think you were somewhat unhinged if you included historic politics. You'd be akin to Prince Harry using every opportunity to lash out at the RF including his recent series for Netflix.
Could you not discuss the advantages of being in the Championship compared to League One?0 -
PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.
Are you suggesting the EU actively want to stop or even reduce people smuggling to the UK anyway? Your definitely opening up a political debate by introducing illegal migration into this thread0 -
Outrageous. It's not what I voted for.5
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seth plum said:PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.
Are you suggesting the EU actively want to stop or even reduce people smuggling to the UK anyway? Your definitely opening up a political debate by introducing illegal migration into this thread0 -
PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.
Are you suggesting the EU actively want to stop or even reduce people smuggling to the UK anyway? Your definitely opening up a political debate by introducing illegal migration into this threadThat’s just one scientific example off the top of my head.2 -
The Red Robin said:PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Scientific cooperation is not a can of worms in my view.
Heck it might even lead to more general cooperation, like working together to stop the criminal people smuggling gangs.
Are you suggesting the EU actively want to stop or even reduce people smuggling to the UK anyway? Your definitely opening up a political debate by introducing illegal migration into this threadThat’s just one scientific example off the top of my head.0 -
The desire to cooperate in the Horizon scheme might lead to a desire to cooperate on other things like people smuggling. Or even tackling the new Covid threat.3
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seth plum said:The desire to cooperate in the Horizon scheme might lead to a desire to cooperate on other things like people smuggling. Or even tackling the new Covid threat.0
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Cooperation and collaboration depends on cooperation and collaboration.3
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Which requires agreements to be in place on hings like sharing data, having consisntent policy etc. We had all that as a member of Europol but let when we left the EU.6
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eastterrace6168 said:Opened a can of worms now Seth...hold on to your hat....🙄😴
When India landed on the Moon it was new news then and was discussed.0 -
I'm not sure how much it actually changes for some of the sciences.
For instance, pharma, is pretty much unchanged but this as almost all big and medium pharmaceutical companies have multiple offices in the EU and the US as well as the UK.
I'd imagine a lot of science led companies are the same.
It's a good thing for smaller companies and individuals though, for sure0 -
seth plum said:Cooperation and collaboration depends on cooperation and collaboration.0
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PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Cooperation and collaboration depends on cooperation and collaboration.
The new news today is about reversing what the majority apparently voted for, and looking to cooperate and collaborate with the EU as the UK used to do.
Philosophically tricky, but practically good.1 -
PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:The desire to cooperate in the Horizon scheme might lead to a desire to cooperate on other things like people smuggling. Or even tackling the new Covid threat.
While an EU initiative, it does encourage membership from non-EU countries (though, as an EU initiative, dispute resolution is subject to ECJ oversight).
From what I have seen about the agreement, the deal allows the UK to get money back, if it gets less than a set percentage of that value in Horizon-funded projects, but it also allows for the UK having to pay more, if it is more successful.
What academics have identified as a problem is the hostile approach to postgraduate/postdoctorate researchers seeking places in UK institutions (which make them less attractive).
So, today's announcement is good news, but only part of the way towards continuing the high levels of success UK research institutions have achieved to date.5 -
seth plum said:PrincessFiona said:seth plum said:Cooperation and collaboration depends on cooperation and collaboration.
The new news today is about reversing what the majority apparently voted for, and looking to cooperate and collaborate with the EU as the UK used to do.
Philosophically tricky, but practically good.0 -
In science and innovation Europe needs us as well as we them. Sensible decision for both parties.
Any of the usual suspects on here who want to bore the arse off of us with their political viewpoints (he yawns...) can crack on, the thread will just get closed down sooner rather than later.3