If anybody has thought about it and concluded climate change is a big problem and oil a big contributor about which something should be done, and they change their mind to believe the opposite because of some protestors they are pathetic.
If anyone has changed their mind based on the actions of protestors, then I think they didn't really believe it was such a problem in the first place.
Some of the Tippper drivers i deal with on a day to day basis are very tightly wrapped and on a very short fuse. I fear that the protesters will run into one who has had a frustrating day and decide to to take the baseball bat that a lot carry behind the drivers seat and take matters into their own hands.
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
UK produces 1% of the worlds greenhouse gases. China over 30%, US 14%. Fossil fuels are the worst offenders, oil and coal. Uk has 2 coal fired power stations, China over 1100. So should these protesters not be directing their energies at the Chinese and American embassies instead of pissing off the traveling public
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
But they have a right to peaceful protest, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. There is the argument about what good does standing in silence outside Westminster even do for any cause not just this one. A protest that can be ignored is quite frankly pointless. I don't agree with their methods but I absolutely agree with freedom of speech and freedom to protest peacefully.
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
But they have a right to peaceful protest, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. There is the argument about what good does standing in silence outside Westminster even do for any cause not just this one. A protest that can be ignored is quite frankly pointless. I don't agree with their methods but I absolutely agree with freedom of speech and freedom to protest peacefully.
I don’t think anyone is saying or suggesting otherwise but there’s a limit ( an unknown one in reality ), to what is peaceful and what isn’t……at various times and places.
Which was my point earlier. They are pissing off the very people who agree with their motives but they are targeting the wrong group. Going after the Chinese and the Americans would tick all the boxes for some on here.
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
But they have a right to peaceful protest, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. There is the argument about what good does standing in silence outside Westminster even do for any cause not just this one. A protest that can be ignored is quite frankly pointless. I don't agree with their methods but I absolutely agree with freedom of speech and freedom to protest peacefully.
Free speech doesn't extend to shouting fire in a packed theatre, and peaceful protest shouldn't extend to absolute pricks causing havoc to thousands of people every day.
What about the 'rights' of the ordinary people inconvenienced by their nonsense or don't we count?
Stopping innocent ordinary people going about their daily business is an act of aggression not 'Peaceful Protest.' There will come a time when the victims respond equally or more aggressively.
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
But they have a right to peaceful protest, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. There is the argument about what good does standing in silence outside Westminster even do for any cause not just this one. A protest that can be ignored is quite frankly pointless. I don't agree with their methods but I absolutely agree with freedom of speech and freedom to protest peacefully.
Free speech doesn't extend to shouting fire in a packed theatre, and peaceful protest shouldn't extend to absolute pricks causing havoc to thousands of people every day.
Why shouldn't it? Taking it further should workers be allowed to strike? Train workers are causing an inconvenience yet the right to strike is part of the same law and most people would agree done peacefully people are within their rights to carry out these protests.
It's completely acceptable to disagree with motives and methods but these rights were hard won a long time ago and I would like to see them remain.
Hard for anyone to disagree with the end goal but these methods are just driving some in the opposite direction. That said these people have a right to protest and I absolutely believe in that right and hopefully that won't be diminished any further. It's also sad to see so many people advocating violence towards other human beings just because they don't agree with something they are doing. It's just a depressing time all round really.
The right to protest is not the same as the right to fuck up peoples lives. If they want to protest:-
1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites. 2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against. 3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:- 1. pissing off people that might agree with you. 2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living. 3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
But they have a right to peaceful protest, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. There is the argument about what good does standing in silence outside Westminster even do for any cause not just this one. A protest that can be ignored is quite frankly pointless. I don't agree with their methods but I absolutely agree with freedom of speech and freedom to protest peacefully.
Free speech doesn't extend to shouting fire in a packed theatre, and peaceful protest shouldn't extend to absolute pricks causing havoc to thousands of people every day.
Why shouldn't it? Taking it further should workers be allowed to strike? Train workers are causing an inconvenience yet the right to strike is part of the same law and most people would agree done peacefully people are within their rights to carry out these protests.
It's completely acceptable to disagree with motives and methods but these rights were hard won a long time ago and I would like to see them remain.
These people are not workers who have the justifiable right to withdraw their labour.
They are aggressive professional agitators raging war on ordinary people going about their business. As I said above what about the 'rights' of ordinary people going about their daily business?
If they want to carry out their inconveniencing nuisance then they should do it outside the Chinese Embassy. That said they would almost certainly be scooped up pronto if they did.
Support their right to do it, support the message. Do not support the tactic at all, they need another way to get maximum publicity without stopping us plebs getting to work and school. I don’t know what that looks though.
UK produces 1% of the worlds greenhouse gases. China over 30%, US 14%. Fossil fuels are the worst offenders, oil and coal. Uk has 2 coal fired power stations, China over 1100. So should these protesters not be directing their energies at the Chinese and American embassies instead of pissing off the traveling public
Since when has the argument "they are worse than me so I'll wait for them to solve the problem before making any attempt myself" ever solved anything.
If you look at whole supply chain emissions we are actually pretty badly performing. We should be doing everything we can to reduce our emissions and reliance of fossil fuels it will still have an impact globally but if nothing else the localised issues of air quality and its impact on our health will be massive.
Even ignoring all that there is a real opportunity here to be world leaders in something and get massive economic growth by leading the way internationally. If we can develop the green technology use it then others will follow. We can sell it around the world it will be the catalyst for the "Green boom". There is a massive opportunity here it just needs governments to back it.
It tackles the very point you raise. Also addresses the point around individuals making small changes but makes it very clear that if enough of us make those small day to day changes then it will impact on demand and corporations will follow governments will also follow and that will drive change.
Its very well written, simple and easy to read but incredibly impactful.
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1. Organise an official protest in conjunction with the authorites.
2. Stand and picket on a pavement outside the offices of those you are protesting against.
3. Lobby your Member of Parliament and persuade others to do the same.
Just stop:-
1. pissing off people that might agree with you.
2. Prevent people getting to work to earn a living.
3. Impacting on peoples lives in very severe ways (we've all read of missing funerals / relative's last moments / missed cancer appointments at hospital).
Stopping innocent ordinary people going about their daily business is an act of aggression not 'Peaceful Protest.' There will come a time when the victims respond equally or more aggressively.
It's completely acceptable to disagree with motives and methods but these rights were hard won a long time ago and I would like to see them remain.
They are aggressive professional agitators raging war on ordinary people going about their business. As I said above what about the 'rights' of ordinary people going about their daily business?
If they want to carry out their inconveniencing nuisance then they should do it outside the Chinese Embassy. That said they would almost certainly be scooped up pronto if they did.
If you look at whole supply chain emissions we are actually pretty badly performing. We should be doing everything we can to reduce our emissions and reliance of fossil fuels it will still have an impact globally but if nothing else the localised issues of air quality and its impact on our health will be massive.
Even ignoring all that there is a real opportunity here to be world leaders in something and get massive economic growth by leading the way internationally. If we can develop the green technology use it then others will follow. We can sell it around the world it will be the catalyst for the "Green boom". There is a massive opportunity here it just needs governments to back it.
I'd recommend reading this book: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/SOS/DNabDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
It tackles the very point you raise. Also addresses the point around individuals making small changes but makes it very clear that if enough of us make those small day to day changes then it will impact on demand and corporations will follow governments will also follow and that will drive change.
Its very well written, simple and easy to read but incredibly impactful.
Just Stop Oil protesters drenched while slowing traffic in London