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  • Don't the Saudis talk scouse?
  • iaitch said:
    se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    Same as black players playing in Spain after complaining the fans are racist.
    Not even in the slightest. Spain has an issue with racism in the terraces and the football authorities aren't doing a good job of dealing with it. What is happening there is illegal though; those who have been caught giving racist abuse to players have been arrested and clubs have been punished through stadium closures etc. It's miserable and more should be done but it's not the same. In Saudi Arabia homosexuality is explicitly illegal. You can be punished in numerous violent ways by the state for existing a certain way, that's completely different. Add to that the Saudi League is a sportwashing project being carried out to draw attention away from the racist, sexist, homophobic bigotry of the nation's autocratic leaders through shiny expensive footballers. Ronaldo, Kante, Benzema, Henderson, they're being targeted specifically to get people to overlook institutional hatred and discrimination. They are the figureheads for 'don't worry about that execution, watch this guy do a kick!' and it would be horrific if Henderson decided to just shrug his shoulders and take the millions when he's already a multi-millionaire
  • iaitch said:
    se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    Same as black players playing in Spain after complaining the fans are racist.
    That’s the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
  • se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    I don't disagree with you but i can safely say that my morals/beliefs would probably go out of the window if i was offered 700k a week, and i can imagine a lot of other peoples would as well.
  • Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different
  • Horse racing, Golf, and now the global game of football.
    If you don't think that the Saudis and their wealthy Arab neighbours are attempting a take over you must've your head in the sand.
    Two decades ago no one thought a non football country like Qatar had a chance of a world cup.
    Money 🤑 is a great mind changer and let's see where we are in 5 years when 21 year old world class talents go to Saudi Arabia.
    I doubt it will be as long as five years 
  • se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    I don't disagree with you but i can safely say that my morals/beliefs would probably go out of the window if i was offered 700k a week, and i can imagine a lot of other peoples would as well.
    You're right, but I do also think top-level footballers must already have more money than they know what to do with.
  • edited July 2023
    se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/13/jordan-henderson-al-ettifaq-liverpool-contract-talks-jurgen-klopp

    If the above article is true (I mean, it has to be true as it's the can do no wrong Guardian reporting it) then it's almost as if players say things to placate others.

    As has been said already, he's played in Qatar so isn't averse to a bit of contradiction and rolling back on his supposed morals and beliefs.
  • se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/13/jordan-henderson-al-ettifaq-liverpool-contract-talks-jurgen-klopp

    If the above article is true (I mean, it has to be true as it's the can do no wrong Guardian reporting it) then it's almost as if players say things to placate others.

    As has been said already, he's played in Qatar so isn't averse to a bit of contradiction and rolling back on his supposed morals.
    He never had to placate anyone though. He didn't have to write about LGBTQ+ support in his programme notes. He didn't have to publicly support Robbie Rogers. he didn't have to publicly support that fan who went to the Euros on Twitter. It's not like he's been forced to do this stuff, he's created this niche for himself by choice and then seems to be about to betray it so he can adds millions to his millions. It's really, really bleak. It's not surprising, but it's still depressing.
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  • I will happily go on record as being Pro Choice so does that mean I should never go to America due to their anti abortion laws ?
  • Horse racing, Golf, and now the global game of football.
    If you don't think that the Saudis and their wealthy Arab neighbours are attempting a take over you must've your head in the sand.
    Two decades ago no one thought a non football country like Qatar had a chance of a world cup.
    Money 🤑 is a great mind changer and let's see where we are in 5 years when 21 year old world class talents go to Saudi Arabia.
    I doubt it will be as long as five years 
    It isn't sustainable on the football side of things because their league is tiny and on a continental level, no one cares about Asian football. Who really cares if Al Hilal sign 5-6 big names, they win the Saudi league and they win the Asian champions league? No one.
  • MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
  • arny23394 said:
    iaitch said:
    se9addick said:
    The signings keep on coming. Milinkovic-Savic who Lazio apparently turned down a 100m+ bid for a few years ago has signed for Al Hilal, where he will join Koulibaly and Ruben Neves.

    The craziest signing though is that apparently Al Ettifaq where Gerrard is now manager have reportedly offered Jordan Henderson 700k a week to sign!! I'm sorry but at the age of 33 and having won everything he can, he has to take that offer.
    If they’ve really offered him that then he’s got to take it. 
    No, he hasn't. Henderson has been an advocate for LGBT+ rights for years, speaking out in favour of the Rainbow Laces campaign and being one of the main England players who helped convert the image of them from overpaid wasters to decent men using their platform for positive change. If he moves to a country that discriminates wildly against LGBTQ+ people just because they wafted a load of money in his face then it will do so much damage to the work that's been done to try to reduce discrimination in the sport. It'll tell you that these players only care about homophobic abuse - and in the case of Saudi Arabia criminalisation to the point of flogging, imprisonment or even capital punishment - up to a certain financial number, at which point they're ok with it. It would be so disappointing and I imagine devastating to the people who have felt the benefit of the support Henderson previously showed.
    Same as black players playing in Spain after complaining the fans are racist.
    That’s the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
    The point I'm trying to make is that if they are paid enough money then their morals/principles go out the window.

    As stated above Henderson makes this statement about LGBTQ+ rights and then because an offer is too good to turn down he swans off to Saudi who have no such rights.

    Football crowds in Spain, Italy, Eastern Europe have been known to be racist for many years but black players, well any players, will still go there beacuse the offer is too good to turn down.

    If Mbappe turned Real Madrid down citing that they were racist that might cause them to teach their fans or they may just double their offer to see if it's too good to turn down.

    Someone says to me 'come and support Crystal Palace'.

    I reply 'eff off you stripey twat'.

    'I'll give you £5,000 a week'

    'Eaaaaagles Eaaaaaagles' 







  • MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
  • MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
    I do think there is a difference - the main one being it wasn't his choice to play in Qatar for the WC whereas moving to Saudi Arabia is.
  • MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
    I do think there is a difference - the main one being it wasn't his choice to play in Qatar for the WC whereas moving to Saudi Arabia is.
    So he was forced to play in a WC ?. 

    He went to Qatar for caps and KSA for money, both are fine by me.
  • JaShea99 said:
    Shame, but is it really unsurprising?

    He was too good to join Wolves in the Championship in the first place.

    Its when the Saudis etc. start to attract those who aren't old, or aren't already mercenaries that we'll want to worry

    We've seen this from the Chinese already
    Didn’t the Chinese government put a stop to that though? Whereas you can’t really see the Saudi ‘government’ doing the same.
    Beginning of the end of the Premier League IF its sustained, unlike Chinese who started down the same track then stopped.
  • MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
    I do think there is a difference - the main one being it wasn't his choice to play in Qatar for the WC whereas moving to Saudi Arabia is.
    Yeah, They drugged his milk and put him on the plane BA Baracus style...
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  • JaShea99 said:
    Shame, but is it really unsurprising?

    He was too good to join Wolves in the Championship in the first place.

    Its when the Saudis etc. start to attract those who aren't old, or aren't already mercenaries that we'll want to worry

    We've seen this from the Chinese already
    Didn’t the Chinese government put a stop to that though? Whereas you can’t really see the Saudi ‘government’ doing the same.
    Beginning of the end of the Premier League IF its sustained, unlike Chinese who started down the same track then stopped.
    I just can't see it being sustained. A lot of players are going to go over there for a whopping great payday but I cannot see it generating the interest the big European leagues get irrespective of how much money the Saudi's want throw at it. That said I never thought I'd see kids playing football in Bexleyheath with Al Nassr shirts on either and I've seen a few of those!
  • It will be on Sky soon.
  • Mitrovic the latest player linked. Has apparently agreed personal terms and will go if a fee can be agreed with Fulham.
  • Mitrovic the latest player linked. Has apparently agreed personal terms and will go if a fee can be agreed with Fulham.

    Fulham wanting £35m , completely understandable given how key Mitrovic is to them but would expect it happens 
  • shine166 said:
    MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
    I do think there is a difference - the main one being it wasn't his choice to play in Qatar for the WC whereas moving to Saudi Arabia is.
    So he was forced to play in a WC ?. 

    He went to Qatar for caps and KSA for money, both are fine by me.
    He was representing his country at the WC. Employed by England, not Qatar.
  • So if I went and worked for a British company in Saudi Arabia that would be ok as employed by say BP rather than by Saudi Arabia ? 
  • shine166 said:
    MrOneLung said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Well he has already played in Qatar, so don't see why this is any different

    Playing for your country in Qatar, because that's where the World Cup is being held, is completely different from playing for a Saudi team.

    It's the same difference between the likes of Gary Lineker working for the BBC in Qatar, because that's where the WC is being held, and Gary Neville working for Qatar TV.
    No, it is the same

    What better way to show your support to the cause, than boycotting the 2nd biggest sporting event in the world?


    Personally, I don't care, and if players want to earn money playing there, then that is fine by me.
    I do think there is a difference - the main one being it wasn't his choice to play in Qatar for the WC whereas moving to Saudi Arabia is.
    So he was forced to play in a WC ?. 

    He went to Qatar for caps and KSA for money, both are fine by me.
    He was representing his country at the WC. Employed by England, not Qatar.

    He can represent his family in Saudi then and alls good. 
  • MarcusH26 said:
    Mitrovic the latest player linked. Has apparently agreed personal terms and will go if a fee can be agreed with Fulham.

    Fulham wanting £35m , completely understandable given how key Mitrovic is to them but would expect it happens 
    I think that's a bargain given he's a proven goalscorer and is only 28. Surprised they don't want at least 50m.
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