Bare with me on this; assuming no take over actually happens - things that can't be 100% budgeted for at the start of a new season that have not been a factor in previous seasons;
Pope sell on fee
World cup fees (Gunter and Williams)
Quarter final league cup run (not just Man U away although obviously that's the bulk of it - but would have had the big crowd V Brighton as well not budgeted for if we went out first round like usual)
Assuming the annual loss figure is around the 6 million mark often quoted - and the fact that we have paid no transfer fees to my knowledge at all this year as compared to previous seasons. Obviously there is the inflation with bills to account for too but... its got to be pretty close right? even if it's just a flash in the pan one season deal?
Not even saying it is a factor in anything relating to a future take over, or saying it is because its anything to do with how TS has ran us this season, just a discussion point.
I'd say arguably a smart businessman would look at what has brought us closest to break even in I don't know how long, has nothing to do with cut backs in staff or player/youth team budget if you look at it properly and is in fact the opposite - objectively the opposite.
pope sell on fee - investing in youth
world cup fees - investing in international standard (eehh... ish) players
QF league cup - valuing the cups as a revenue generator so ensuring you have the players and that they are available in the "lower" rounds to give yourself the best opportunity to catch a "big fish" like we did this year.
That's not even including how much higher the possibility of all of these benefits could be multiplied if we were a championship team.
I'm just a lowly support analyst, but how can I see it, but a "successful businessman" can't at this point?? Surely TS has the ability to look at his P and L for December and January which have to look pretty damn good relatively compared to the rest of his tenure and put two and two together???
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Pope went for 10 mill I think, so 20 p.c. is 2 mill...
I think WC fees may come to hundred grand a player, so that's x 2.
Cup run would have garnered very little from first three rounds, and maybe 20k from the home Brighton game. Old Trafford is estimated at around half a million.
Even if my numbers are wrong, overall we are still a long way from breaking even...
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There must be easier ways?
im not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me? Do you think sacking staff will get us to break even or what I said?
key words "how close"
Doesn't matter if we play man U away in a QF, have a bonus 200K from the world cup - a 20% profit sell on fee on a ten million sale - it's just a strict 6 million loss like every other year?
Unless players decide to take a slice of the pie or more club’s gamble on promotion then then that 8m loss becomes 3.
Can someone tell me how we get money for ex-]players, or are they still on our books?
In 18/19 we lost just over 10 (from memory) despite the play offs, worth more than our cup run, selling KAG and spending next to nothing.
Didn't Thomas say we lost 8ish last season? We also paid compensation, twice, to and for Garner. Was the spending on the training ground this year or last year?
The consensus, which I agree with, is that the club will record a significant loss this year. If you would like to believe it will break even regardless of the weight of opinion that is entirely up to you.
All that being said, even if we were to break even in this season, Sandgaard will still be (tens of) millions in the hole from the losses incurred in previous years.
I don't know the answer to either TBH.
If a club gets more money it will generally just spunk it on transfer fees and players wages. It's the way it is at football clubs and we, the fans (collectively), demand it. You only have to look at the comments calling TS "tight" to see that, as the bloke chucks millions of his own dosh down the khazi. The whole football business model is deeply flawed and has been for years.
Even reaching the "promised land" of the Prem doesn't mean a club will make money. They will likely just spunk it on more expensive players and salaries. Unless they decide to do a Blackpool, of course.
Players salaries (and transfer fees) are THE biggest cost for football clubs (aside from those developing stadiums, eg Spurs). Any "normal" business spending more than 100% of it's revenue on salaries would be fucked, but somehow football clubs survive lurching from one owner to the next.