I'm a bit of a nerd so I had a look at some number to see if they back up the idea he doesn't take on his man. I found stats for this season on Fbref.com who get their stats from Opta. Sadly they don't carry data for League 1 so can't do a comparison.
The biggest one is take ons, Apter has 9, TC 6, Carey 4. TC has only succesfully done it once though which is a 16% success rate
For Carries Into The Final third he ranks top for us with 6 (Tanto is next with 3, Apter 2 and Bell 1), for Progressive Carries he is second with 6 behind Apter (9) and ahead of Ramsay (5), Edwards (4) and Tanto (3). For Total Carries he is only behind Bell, Coventry and Jones, for Carries into the box only Apter and Carey are ahead of him. He has also been dispossessed the most (1 ahead of Apter, 2 ahead of Carey) and equal second with Carey for most Miscontrols behind Leaburn.
Those stats say to me that he shows for the ball and tries to move it forward himself more than any other player on the pitch, probably on a par with Apter.
Thought TC was brilliant helping out defensively yesterday. A couple of times he was just in front of our CBs and won the ball back twice.
Fans can make comments about lack of goals all they like, but you can never mention laziness or lack of effort towards TC.
I think he's earnt more patience with us. Obviously don't know when it will be, but once it really clicks for him, he is going to be a devastating player for us in the final third, bringing a lot of assists and goals.
Needs to start taking players on again, too many times he has played it safe and gone backwards.
Like he did first half getting dragged down edge of box and second half when getting off a shot ? You know who plays it safe every game and not allowed to criticise it's the central midfielders who contribute nothing going forward at all.
I see TC is getting absolute pelters online it's a bit too much tbh he's young and I wouldn't mind if the rest of team was pulling up trees and scoring or assisting and he was the only one not contributing but they ain't if it was up to some fans we'd have 11 hard workers who offer nothing attacking wise at all and we just pump long balls up yeah it might work occasionally but we will get beat nearly every week because we have no threat/creativity at all.tc is the least of our problems imo we have no goal threat in midfield it's all sideways passing most games and we never bought or loaned championship proven strikers and are just waiting on players coming good.
I see TC is getting absolute pelters online it's a bit too much tbh he's young and I wouldn't mind if the rest of team was pulling up trees and scoring or assisting and he was the only one not contributing but they ain't if it was up to some fans we'd have 11 hard workers who offer nothing attacking wise at all and we just pump long balls up yeah it might work occasionally but we will get beat nearly every week because we have no threat/creativity at all.tc is the least of our problems imo we have no goal threat in midfield it's all sideways passing most games and we never bought or loaned championship proven strikers and are just waiting on players coming good.
A lot of negative comments about TC on Instagram posts over the past week or so. Most are just negative, even if I disagree with them. But some are abusive and even tag TC in them, have reported them, and to be fair to Instagram they have been fairly quick in deleting them.
Some of the criticism for Campbell is way over the top in my opinion.
But Some of the people defending him seem to have taken up a siege mentality, possibly because he has come through our youth system.
For what it's worth I think Campbell is a decent league one player trying to make the step up to the championship. He's not there yet but as he's only 20 years of age he may well get there.
He turns 22 in September but he’s still very young and new to the Championship, far too early to write off him stepping up.
The ranting and abuse elsewhere on social media doesn’t help anyone.
I could understand Tanto starting against Millwall in his place, his old club and would add the strength that’ll probably be needed in a game like that.
Some of the criticism for Campbell is way over the top in my opinion.
But Some of the people defending him seem to have taken up a siege mentality, possibly because he has come through our youth system.
For what it's worth I think Campbell is a decent league one player trying to make the step up to the championship. He's not there yet but as he's only 20 years of age he may well get there.
Time will tell I guess.
Or because TC is human and a young player. He doesn't deserve a lot of the stuff being constantly said about him.
TC last season was a big reason why we got promoted (the CL rankings will back this up). We all saw his development in League One, he deserves the opportunity to see if he can continue that at the next level.
I think people should recognise that it the whole team that is playing badly, not just TC. There were times when he had the ball and no charlton player within 10 yards of him, then he gets robbed because he is not as physical as the opposition players. Be honest and have a go at all of them. Not TC because he has come through our academy.
I think people should recognise that it the whole team that is playing badly, not just TC. There were times when he had the ball and no charlton player within 10 yards of him, then he gets robbed because he is not as physical as the opposition players. Be honest and have a go at all of them. Not TC because he has come through our academy.
Agreed when the team isn't exactly tearing teams apart and he's the one that's talked about by the away fans who's dangerous then I just don't understand it,he was involved in the goal also beat his man first half and dragged down and nearly scored himself,who else is looking dangerous in our attack or midfield ? He gets picked on because he went down and our team got walked through with some class tbh the last 25 mins lots of space was opening up in the midfield and we wasn't onto the loose balls due to tiredness or positional play.
As is normal for most topics there are totally different aspects of opinion from both sides and both are probably correct in some parts. However TC is struggling and that’s not surprising as it’s a big step up and I think his confidence could end up shattered if NJ keeps starting him and leaving him on when he is plainly off the boil. He needs to go on the bench and come on late in games fresh and hopefully have an impact to learn and build
Tbf we can all say so and so should start but if no one is doing enough in training to show they deserve it then what is meant to happen. Jones is paid to stick to his convictions and what he thinks is best. If he thinks that playing TC is best with all the available knowledge then it is what it is
I think fans, and also more importantly Nathan Jones, need to remember he has had very little break since last summer. Other than a spell he had out injured in our injury crisis.
His season ended at the end of May, he then flew out to play for Jamaica, before having a short break and was there for day 1 of our pre-season. I’m surprised we didn’t allow him to join pre-season late so he had more of a break
I don’t have a problem with TC starting games, he’s probably in our best eleven. But he needs to stop being asked to play 80+ minutes every game. Give him a breather ffs
I think fans, and also more importantly Nathan Jones, need to remember he has had very little break since last summer. Other than a spell he had out injured in our injury crisis.
His season ended at the end of May, he then flew out to play for Jamaica, before having a short break and was there for day 1 of our pre-season. I’m surprised we didn’t allow him to join pre-season late so he had more of a break
I don’t have a problem with TC starting games, he’s probably in our best eleven. But he needs to stop being asked to play 80+ minutes every game. Give him a breather ffs
Agreed. I don't agree with the comments that he is struggling. And yes it's confusing why he's playing so many minutes, and why two games running Apter has been subbed, with TC moved to the right.
If TC had been subbed instead of Apter yesterday, then he would have left having had a reasonable game, with an assist. Instead the tired TC 15 minutes later has the ball taken off him, they score and he gets all the blame.
I was sure he would be coming off when we made the substitution. It seemed obvious he was blowing. I thought the subs yesterday were generally poor. Pulling Leaburn who had won so much in the air, then pumping aimless high balls to no one was crazy for example.
His 'Main Character Mentality' is both his biggest asset, but his biggest downfall too. Wants to be the one involved in every play, every attack feels like he needs to be the centre of - unfortunately QPRs second highlighted this when he should have laid it to ML.
Still think he would be better coming off the bench
So within a week he’s been criticised for being too lazy and not getting involved enough and also for wanting to be involved too much. Guy can’t win
i definitely wouldn't necessarily call him lazy, but he does seem to pick and choose when he gets involved a bit too much. Would put it more down to him being expected to have a defensive mindset now, rather than just fully focusing on attacking
I can see why fans are divided on Tyreece's performance. But he totally gave 100% yesterday, his effort was the maximum.
He turns 22 in September but he’s still very young and new to the Championship, far too early to write off him stepping up.
The ranting and abuse elsewhere on social media doesn’t help anyone.
I could understand Tanto starting against Millwall in his place, his old club and would add the strength that’ll probably be needed in a game like that.
Yep, I think part of the defensiveness of TC is a reaction to the OTT criticism elsewhere, rather than on here so much. I also agree that starting Tanto would be a good idea againt Millwall, both for the reasons that you mention, and that TC will have been away with Jamaica, so giving him a bit of a rest and letting him come on with fresh legs as a sub would probably be good for him.
I was sure he would be coming off when we made the substitution. It seemed obvious he was blowing. I thought the subs yesterday were generally poor. Pulling Leaburn who had won so much in the air, then pumping aimless high balls to no one was crazy for example.
I thought TC & Leaburn were exhausted and expected Tanto & Kelman to replace them.
I was sure he would be coming off when we made the substitution. It seemed obvious he was blowing. I thought the subs yesterday were generally poor. Pulling Leaburn who had won so much in the air, then pumping aimless high balls to no one was crazy for example.
I thought TC & Leaburn were exhausted and expected Tanto & Kelman to replace them.
I thought Leaburn was playing well and winning a lot in the air, which was why he needed to stay on. We’d have lost that long ball target if he’d gone off
Jones is notorious for playing players who understand his system over players who might be a little more talented. I fully expect the line of Knibbs, Kelman and maybe oloafe to be starting in a couple months
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The biggest one is take ons, Apter has 9, TC 6, Carey 4. TC has only succesfully done it once though which is a 16% success rate
For Carries Into The Final third he ranks top for us with 6 (Tanto is next with 3, Apter 2 and Bell 1), for Progressive Carries he is second with 6 behind Apter (9) and ahead of Ramsay (5), Edwards (4) and Tanto (3). For Total Carries he is only behind Bell, Coventry and Jones, for Carries into the box only Apter and Carey are ahead of him. He has also been dispossessed the most (1 ahead of Apter, 2 ahead of Carey) and equal second with Carey for most Miscontrols behind Leaburn.
Those stats say to me that he shows for the ball and tries to move it forward himself more than any other player on the pitch, probably on a par with Apter.
You can look at the stats here: https://fbref.com/en/squads/7a8db6d4/Charlton-Athletic-Stats#all_stats_possession
But Some of the people defending him seem to have taken up a siege mentality, possibly because he has come through our youth system.
For what it's worth I think Campbell is a decent league one player trying to make the step up to the championship.
He's not there yet but as he's only 20 years of age he may well get there.
Time will tell I guess.
The ranting and abuse elsewhere on social media doesn’t help anyone.
I could understand Tanto starting against Millwall in his place, his old club and would add the strength that’ll probably be needed in a game like that.
Be honest and have a go at all of them. Not TC because he has come through our academy.
I don’t have a problem with TC starting games, he’s probably in our best eleven. But he needs to stop being asked to play 80+ minutes every game. Give him a breather ffs
If TC had been subbed instead of Apter yesterday, then he would have left having had a reasonable game, with an assist. Instead the tired TC 15 minutes later has the ball taken off him, they score and he gets all the blame.
But he totally gave 100% yesterday, his effort was the maximum.
“Cadamarteri drives forward the Jamaican offensive line and fires a right footed power strike towards goal, but grabs him some woodwork”