Well since 1905 we have been in the top flight approx 34 seasons the longest was from the mid 30s to 50s,so i would say we have been in the top flight the longest,i think palarse had a bit of a spell in late 70s early 80s and the mid 90s and of course in this decade as well.
Palace are THE South London Club. There has been a Crystal Palace team since 1861. When the FA was founded in 1863 - members of Crystal Palace FC were on the original committee.
The FIRST EVER England side had a Crystal Palace player in it in 1872.
20 FA Cup Finals were played at Crystal Palace between 1895-1914.
When the 'professional' Crystal Palace FC were founded in 1905 - Charlton Athletic were starting life as a local park team - and it reamained that way until 1921 - The year Palace won promotion to Division Two - Charlton took Palace's place in the Third Division.
Since 1925, when Palace finally got to play Charlton in a football match (remember, there had been a Crystal Palace 'team' for over sixty four years before 1925!) our two clubs have only met on 60 occasions - in all competitions - this is nowhere near as many times as Palace have played Brighton or Millwall.
The above I have shamlessly ripped from CPFC.org, I'm not sure how accurate it is and to be honest I really can't be bothered to check it out, I'll leave that to Henry ;-)
so for those seasons Palace have finished above us 32 times, whilst we ended up above Palace 42 times ... and make that 47 times when the last five seasons are included.
From 1928/29 to 1963/64 we always finished above Palace (twenty nine seasons), but they finished above us for the next ten seasons.
We have finished above Palace for the past nine seasons, but they were on top for the previous nine.
We entered the league in the 1921-1922 season Palace were in the league a year earlier and finished above us in the next 7 seasons until we won the Div 3 south in 1928-1929 when they were runners-up but not promoted. The next time they finished above us was 1964-1965. The finished above us in every season from there until we won promotion from Div 3 in 1974-75 when they finished 5th. They have since finished above us in 77/78,78/79,79/80,80/81,82/83,84/85,89/90,90/91,91/92,92/93,93/94,94/95,95/96,96/97,97/98 and not since.
So in all they have been better than us for 32 season out of 86 years (78 seasons excluding WWII years) with us better in 46.
We have also spent more seasons in the top flight, had the best finishing position 2nd (they always seem to think their 3rd in 90/91 was best) and have won more major honours ...................... but you still can't convince one stripey tw@t of the FACT
on and another one, they think that their crowd against Burnley when they won promotion from the second tier of the English game was quite impressive - Any idea which South London club may have eclipsed that in the second tier ?
Still they have massive potential with their catchment area ........................... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
In the end these stats are just a bit of fun, if they mattered to us we'd be supporting Ars*nal. Still, I hadn't realised how consistently better we have been than Palace, a tier 3 club :-)
[cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]In the end these stats are just a bit of fun, if they mattered to us we'd be supporting Ars*nal.
Still I hadn't realised how dominant we have been over Palace, a tier 3 club :-)
We have in terms of the level played at but strangely our match record against both Millsmall and Palarse is pony!
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The FIRST EVER England side had a Crystal Palace player in it in 1872.
20 FA Cup Finals were played at Crystal Palace between 1895-1914.
When the 'professional' Crystal Palace FC were founded in 1905 - Charlton Athletic were starting life as a local park team - and it reamained that way until 1921 - The year Palace won promotion to Division Two - Charlton took Palace's place in the Third Division.
Since 1925, when Palace finally got to play Charlton in a football match (remember, there had been a Crystal Palace 'team' for over sixty four years before 1925!) our two clubs have only met on 60 occasions - in all competitions - this is nowhere near as many times as Palace have played Brighton or Millwall.
The above I have shamlessly ripped from CPFC.org, I'm not sure how accurate it is and to be honest I really can't be bothered to check it out, I'll leave that to Henry ;-)
The stadium at The Crystal Palace, was the same as Wembley would be now.
So try again Nigel
Charlton Athletic
Season Div Pld W D L F A Pts Pos
1921-22 D3S 42 13 11 18 43 56 37 16
1922-23 D3S 42 14 14 14 55 51 42 12
1923-24 D3S 42 11 15 16 38 45 37 14
1924-25 D3S 42 13 12 17 46 48 38 15
1925-26 D3S 42 11 13 18 48 68 35 21
1926-27 D3S 42 16 8 18 60 61 40 13
1927-28 D3S 42 15 13 14 60 70 43 11
1928-29 D3S 42 23 8 11 86 60 54 1 CHAMPIONS
1929-30 D2 42 14 11 17 59 63 39 13
1930-31 D2 42 15 9 18 59 86 39 15
1931-32 D2 42 17 9 16 61 66 43 10
1932-33 D2 42 12 7 23 60 91 31 22 RELEGATED
1933-34 D3S 42 22 8 12 83 56 52 5
1934-35 D3S 42 27 7 8 103 52 61 1 CHAMPIONS
1935-36 D2 42 22 11 9 85 58 55 2 PROMOTED
1936-37 D1 42 21 12 9 58 49 54 2
1937-38 D1 42 16 14 12 65 51 46 4
1938-39 D1 42 22 6 14 75 59 50 3
1946-47 D1 42 11 12 19 57 71 34 19
1947-48 D1 42 17 6 19 57 66 40 13
1948-49 D1 42 15 12 15 63 67 42 9
1949-50 D1 42 13 6 23 53 65 32 20
1950-51 D1 42 14 9 19 63 80 37 17
1951-52 D1 42 17 10 15 68 63 44 10
1952-53 D1 42 19 11 12 77 63 49 5
1953-54 D1 42 19 6 17 75 77 44 9
1954-55 D1 42 15 10 17 76 75 40 15
1955-56 D1 42 17 6 19 75 81 40 14
1956-57 D1 42 9 4 29 62 120 22 22 RELEGATED
1957-58 D2 42 24 7 11 107 69 55 3
1958-59 D2 42 18 7 17 92 90 43 8
1959-60 D2 42 17 13 12 90 87 47 7
1960-61 D2 42 16 11 15 97 91 43 10
1961-62 D2 42 15 9 18 69 75 39 15
1962-63 D2 42 13 5 24 62 94 31 20
1963-64 D2 42 19 10 13 76 70 48 4
1964-65 D2 42 13 9 20 64 75 35 18
1965-66 D2 42 12 14 16 61 70 38 16
1966-67 D2 42 13 9 20 49 53 35 19
1967-68 D2 42 12 13 17 63 68 37 15
1968-69 D2 42 18 14 10 61 52 50 3
1969-70 D2 42 7 17 18 35 76 31 20
1970-71 D2 42 8 14 20 41 65 30 20
1971-72 D2 42 12 9 21 55 77 33 21 RELEGATED
1972-73 D3 46 17 11 18 69 67 45 11
1973-74 D3 46 19 8 19 66 73 46 14
1974-75 D3 46 22 11 13 76 61 55 3 PROMOTED
1975-76 D2 42 15 12 15 61 72 42 9
1976-77 D2 42 16 16 10 71 58 48 7
1977-78 D2 42 13 12 17 55 68 38 17
1978-79 D2 42 11 13 18 60 69 35 19
1979-80 D2 42 6 10 26 39 78 22 22 RELEGATED
1980-81 D3 46 25 9 12 63 44 59 3 PROMOTED
1981-82 D2 42 13 12 17 50 65 51 13
1982-83 D2 42 13 9 20 63 86 48 17
1983-84 D2 42 16 9 17 53 64 57 13
1984-85 D2 42 11 12 19 51 63 45 17
1985-86 D2 42 22 11 9 78 45 77 2 PROMOTED
1986-87 D1 42 11 11 20 45 55 44 19
1987-88 D1 40 9 15 16 38 52 42 17
1988-89 D1 38 10 12 16 44 58 42 14
1989-90 D1 38 7 9 22 31 57 30 19 RELEGATED
1990-91 D2 46 13 17 16 57 61 56 16
1991-92 D2 46 20 11 15 54 48 71 7
1992-93 D1 46 16 13 17 49 46 61 12
1993-94 D1 46 19 8 19 61 58 65 11
1994-95 D1 46 16 11 19 58 66 59 15
1995-96 D1 46 17 20 9 57 45 71 6
1996-97 D1 46 16 11 19 52 66 59 15
1997-98 D1 46 26 10 10 80 49 88 4 PROMOTED
1998-99 PR 38 8 12 18 41 56 36 18 RELEGATED
1999-2000 D1 46 27 10 9 79 45 91 1 CHAMPIONS
2000-01 PR 38 14 10 14 50 57 52 9
2001-02 PR 38 10 14 14 38 49 44 14
Crystal Palace
Season Div Pld W D L F A Pts Pos
1920-21 D3 42 24 11 7 70 34 59 1 CHAMPIONS
1921-22 D2 42 13 13 16 45 51 39 14
1922-23 D2 42 13 11 18 54 62 37 16
1923-24 D2 42 13 13 16 53 65 39 15
1924-25 D2 42 12 10 20 38 54 34 21 RELEGATED
1925-26 D3S 42 19 3 20 75 79 41 13
1926-27 D3S 42 18 9 15 84 81 45 6
1927-28 D3S 42 18 12 12 79 72 48 5
1928-29 D3S 42 23 8 11 81 67 54 2
1929-30 D3S 42 17 12 13 81 74 46 9
1930-31 D3S 42 22 7 13 107 71 51 2
1931-32 D3S 42 20 11 11 74 63 51 4
1932-33 D3S 42 19 8 15 78 64 46 5
1933-34 D3S 42 16 9 17 71 67 41 12
1934-35 D3S 42 19 10 13 86 64 48 5
1935-36 D3S 42 22 5 15 96 74 49 6
1936-37 D3S 42 13 12 17 62 61 38 14
1937-38 D3S 42 18 12 12 67 47 48 7
1938-39 D3S 42 20 12 10 71 52 52 2
1946-47 D3S 42 13 11 18 49 62 37 18
1947-48 D3S 42 13 13 16 49 49 39 13
1948-49 D3S 42 8 11 23 38 76 27 22
1949-50 D3S 42 15 14 13 55 54 44 7
1950-51 D3S 46 8 11 27 33 84 27 24
1951-52 D3S 46 15 9 22 61 80 39 19
1952-53 D3S 46 15 13 18 66 82 43 13
1953-54 D3S 46 14 12 20 60 86 40 22
1954-55 D3S 46 11 16 19 52 80 38 20
1955-56 D3S 46 12 10 24 54 83 34 23
1956-57 D3S 46 11 18 17 62 75 40 20
1957-58 D3S 46 15 13 18 70 72 43 14
1958-59 D4 46 20 12 14 90 71 52 7
1959-60 D4 46 19 12 15 84 64 50 8
1960-61 D4 46 29 6 11 110 69 64 2 PROMOTED
1961-62 D3 46 14 14 18 83 80 42 15
1962-63 D3 46 17 13 16 65 58 47 11
1963-64 D3 46 23 14 9 73 51 60 2 PROMOTED
1964-65 D2 42 16 13 13 55 51 45 7
1965-66 D2 42 14 13 15 47 52 41 11
1966-67 D2 42 19 10 13 61 55 48 7
1967-68 D2 42 14 11 17 56 56 39 11
1968-69 D2 42 22 12 8 70 47 56 2 PROMOTED
1969-70 D1 42 6 15 21 34 68 27 20
1970-71 D1 42 12 11 19 39 57 35 18
1971-72 D1 42 8 13 21 39 65 29 20
1972-73 D1 42 9 12 21 41 58 30 21 RELEGATED
1973-74 D2 42 11 12 19 43 56 34 20 RELEGATED
1974-75 D3 46 18 15 13 66 57 51 5
1975-76 D3 46 18 17 11 61 46 53 5
1976-77 D3 46 23 13 10 68 40 59 3 PROMOTED
1977-78 D2 42 13 15 14 50 47 41 9
1978-79 D2 42 19 19 4 51 24 57 1 CHAMPIONS
1979-80 D1 42 12 16 14 41 50 40 13
1980-81 D1 42 6 7 29 47 83 19 22 RELEGATED
1981-82 D2 42 13 9 20 34 45 48 15
1982-83 D2 42 12 12 18 43 52 48 15
1983-84 D2 42 12 11 19 42 52 47 18
1984-85 D2 42 12 12 18 46 65 48 15
1985-86 D2 42 19 9 14 57 52 66 5
1986-87 D2 42 19 5 18 51 53 62 6
1987-88 D2 44 22 9 13 86 59 75 6
1988-89 D2 46 23 12 11 71 49 81 3 PROMOTED
1989-90 D1 38 13 9 16 42 66 48 15
1990-91 D1 38 20 9 9 50 41 69 3
1991-92 D1 42 14 15 13 53 61 57 10
1992-93 PR 42 11 16 15 48 61 49 20 RELEGATED
1993-94 D1 46 27 9 10 73 46 90 1 CHAMPIONS
1994-95 PR 42 11 12 19 34 49 45 19 RELEGATED
1995-96 D1 46 20 15 11 67 48 75 3
1996-97 D1 46 19 14 13 78 48 71 6 PROMOTED
1997-98 PR 38 8 9 21 37 71 33 20 RELEGATED
1998-99 D1 46 14 16 16 58 71 58 14
1999-2000 D1 46 13 15 18 57 67 54 15
2000-01 D1 46 12 13 21 57 70 49 21
2001-02 D1 46 20 6 20 70 62 66 10
I would suspect that one of the reasons we have met so few times since is because we are normally in a higher division to you.....
Times Charlton have been in a higher div than Palace: 38
Times in the same division: 25
Times Palace have been in a higher div than Charlton: 16
From 1928/29 to 1963/64 we always finished above Palace (twenty nine seasons), but they finished above us for the next ten seasons.
We have finished above Palace for the past nine seasons, but they were on top for the previous nine.
http://stats.football365.com/hist/default.html
So in all they have been better than us for 32 season out of 86 years (78 seasons excluding WWII years) with us better in 46.
We have also spent more seasons in the top flight, had the best finishing position 2nd (they always seem to think their 3rd in 90/91 was best) and have won more major honours ...................... but you still can't convince one stripey tw@t of the FACT
Tier 1: Charlton 21, Palace 12
Tier 2: Charlton 39, Palace 27
Tier 3: Charlton 14, Palace 33
Tier 4: Charlton 0, Palace 3
Millwall=2/31/37/5 and Brighton=4/15/49/7
So you can see why a Palace/Brighton rivalry developed, both clubs have spent more time in Tier 3 than anywhere else.
Still they have massive potential with their catchment area ........................... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
So since 1921:
Times Charlton have been in a higher div than Millwall: 46
Times in the same division: 28
Times Millwall have been in a higher div than Charlton: 6
Still, I hadn't realised how consistently better we have been than Palace, a tier 3 club :-)
We have in terms of the level played at but strangely our match record against both Millsmall and Palarse is pony!
would be interested to see how we compare when using the stats for just tier 1.
head to head (league matches)
Charlton 14, draw 13, Palace 23
Charlton 11, draw 21, Milwall 30
Palace 25, draw 23, Milwall 32
..... so the underdogs have their day, c'est la vie ;-)
http://www.soccerbase.com/head.sd?competitionid=2&scopeid=1
*crossing fingers*
Charlton 1, draw 1, Palace 2:
English Premier Charlton Athletic 2-2 Crystal Palace 15-05-2005
English Premier Crystal Palace 0-1 Charlton Athletic 05-12-2004
English Division 1 (old) Crystal Palace 2-0 Charlton Athletic 21-04-1990
English Division 1 (old) Charlton Athletic 1-2 Crystal Palace 16-12-1989
Charlton 0, draw 2, Millwall 2
English Division 1 (old) Charlton Athletic 1-1 Millwall 09-12-1989
English Division 1 (old) Millwall 2-2 Charlton Athletic 22-08-1989
English Division 1 (old) Millwall 1-0 Charlton Athletic 02-01-1989
English Division 1 (old) Charlton Athletic 0-3 Millwall 10-09-1988
And what a day that was ;-)
We shall see AFKA....or should i say addick1.
That's 5 years out of date (We've played 79 league seasons, not 74). It reads even better for us now