For all the criticism TS is getting for off-field stuff! Something he has done extremely well. Has identified style and approach of play and got the best manager implement that, changed the profile of player we are now recruiting.. It is going to be an exciting season.. the games are going to be exciting, we will come unstuck, but we are good enough to win us enough games to get us out of this league!
I was grappling with this during the game. I agree with Dazzler’s list above, which is clearly overbalanced on the negative side and yet there I was watching us play lovely, flowing, attacking, possession based football, just like TS said he wanted. It makes it all the more annoying that TS is getting so much wrong off the pitch.
I totally understand that, and certainly has been a lot of questionable decisions. But the most important thing really is getting it right on the pitch, then to an element it should look after its self.. We don't know full in's and out's of Olly leaving yet, but we need to judge this over a longer term if it is a correct decision.. Never nice for someone to lose a job, especially someone who is close to the Charlton fan's hearts. At the end of the day, we all want success on the pitch and hopefully this continues!
The sad reality is, and it’s of course by no means guaranteed, is that if we end up in the playoffs or better this year, 95% of our fanbase couldn’t care less about of the decisions TS is making.
Probably the same at most clubs i would think. If the club is successful no one cares about off field issues. Look at Barcelona fans not giving a shit about possible problems further down the line because their club is signing everyone. Did United fans protest at the Glazers when Fergie was winning them countless trophies? Did Chelsea fans care about Abramovich's ruthless hiring and firing? Nope because they kept winning trophies.
The sad reality is, and it’s of course by no means guaranteed, is that if we end up in the playoffs or better this year, 95% of our fanbase couldn’t care less about of the decisions TS is making.
As it would most likely be (rightly or wrongly) with just every other Club on the planet.
if you start looking at the off field changes in the round. Then it would seem the immediate reason is to reduce costs. but then look at the way ticket prices and ticketing has changes, the gimmicks he introduces to try to entertain the spectators this free drink nonsense for example, makes me wonder does he have a belief that he can attract a new shiny fan base to the valley less worried it is Charlton playing and more because it is an event to enjoy on a Saturday afternoon or midweek evening. This would also be partial explanation of those made redundant, that is he does not see them as capable of or willing to to see out these type of spectators, possibly at the cost established and thereby older fans. for example the upping of prices would be moving the spectator base into the C+ to B socio-economic group or even eventually the A. just a thought on the possible reason for the changes.
For all the criticism TS is getting for off-field stuff! Something he has done extremely well. Has identified style and approach of play and got the best manager implement that, changed the profile of player we are now recruiting.. It is going to be an exciting season.. the games are going to be exciting, we will come unstuck, but we are good enough to win us enough games to get us out of this league!
100%. Can't argue with the recruitment, either. The players clearly fit the system.
Some of the stuff being done off the field is weird to me and in the case of the "free beer" crossbar thing I find it insulting. If I want a beer I buy one and the thought of getting a free one isnt going to persuade me (or most people I would think) go to a game they wouldn't have gone to anyway. Whoever is behind some of the marketing ideas like this one and the constant phone calls trying to sell hospitality and sponsorship needs redundancy as they are shite at their job rather than losing some of the people who have been let go
Whilst things are definitely looking up on the pitch ( and I AM really impressed with BG's squad & management thus far) , off field issues continue to embarrass our club with decisions made, risible on the whole.
There appears to be no joined up thinking for example, with the most obvious, match ticket prices and the addition of a "supplement" if not purchased in advance. How on earth can this ridiculous policy result in increased attendances at The Valley ...not to mention decreasing the annual loss making.
If a successful business "person" cannot see what's before their very eyes ( thanks, Tommy T !) one has to wonder how he became so wealthy.
Of course, this is merely one example of the muddled thinking & the owner's view that he knows best, despite everything pointing in the opposite direction. Will he ever accept that he urgently needs the advice of those who've been there & wear the T shirt ?
In addition, it's impossible to ignore the hiring & firing of staff at will....and more pertinently to those of us that have supported our club for many years, the loss of experienced, hard working people, with our Olly being the latest victim.
IF reducing the wage bill WAS the reason for this, we have only to wait & see what or who will be TS's solution to our man's departure.
Like, Airman, I can't wait for that announcement !
Whilst things are definitely looking up on the pitch ( and I AM really impressed with BG's squad & management thus far) , off field issues continue to embarrass our club with decisions made, risible on the whole.
There appears to be no joined up thinking for example, with the most obvious, match ticket prices and the addition of a "supplement" if not purchased in advance. How on earth can this ridiculous policy result in increased attendances at The Valley ...not to mention decreasing the annual loss making.
If a successful business "person" cannot see what's before their very eyes ( thanks, Tommy T !) one has to wonder how he became so wealthy.
Of course, this is merely one example of the muddled thinking & the owner's view that he knows best, despite everything pointing in the opposite direction. Will he ever accept that he urgently needs the advice of those who've been there & wear the T shirt ?
In addition, it's impossible to ignore the hiring & firing of staff at will....and more pertinently to those of us that have supported our club for many years, the loss of experienced, hard working people, with our Olly being the latest victim.
IF reducing the wage bill WAS the reason for this, we have only to wait & see what or who will be TS's solution to our man's departure.
Like, Airman, I can't wait for that announcement !
Popcorn anyone ?
Hi Fanny.
As you know we have had a very different opinion on previous decisions such as JJ but on this occasion I totally agree with you. This really makes no sense at all ! There is no way that the club can do away with this service/job role so it will be interesting to see what or who comes in. As I said yesterday I cant see much of a cost saving being achieved by this decision. It's just weird when you consider the fall out that was always going to happen as a result
Whilst things are definitely looking up on the pitch ( and I AM really impressed with BG's squad & management thus far) , off field issues continue to embarrass our club with decisions made, risible on the whole.
There appears to be no joined up thinking for example, with the most obvious, match ticket prices and the addition of a "supplement" if not purchased in advance. How on earth can this ridiculous policy result in increased attendances at The Valley ...not to mention decreasing the annual loss making.
If a successful business "person" cannot see what's before their very eyes ( thanks, Tommy T !) one has to wonder how he became so wealthy.
Of course, this is merely one example of the muddled thinking & the owner's view that he knows best, despite everything pointing in the opposite direction. Will he ever accept that he urgently needs the advice of those who've been there & wear the T shirt ?
In addition, it's impossible to ignore the hiring & firing of staff at will....and more pertinently to those of us that have supported our club for many years, the loss of experienced, hard working people, with our Olly being the latest victim.
IF reducing the wage bill WAS the reason for this, we have only to wait & see what or who will be TS's solution to our man's departure.
Like, Airman, I can't wait for that announcement !
Popcorn anyone ?
If I was looking at ways to boost attendances I would look at attracting parents to bring their kids and to focus entertainment around the game that appeals to kids. Kids will pressure their parents to go again if they really enjoy it.
You just have to look at things kids will like to watch. I have ideas around that which I won't share as there is no point but I think I know the sort of thing that many will enjoy more than the game and have a prize like a scalextric set which looks substantial but is relatively cheap or a signed subbuteo set
Every kid can enter their chance to compete at the game and that includes a couple from the away side to have some kids won't want to win . I think it would have a far greater impact than a beer promotion that won't swing people to come or not come and may be a logistical nightmare on the off chance a crossbar is hit.
When money is tight the last place you make savings is with your kids. They also grow up to become future fans. I'm not saying we don't do anythng for them but I think we can do a lot more.
The sad reality is, and it’s of course by no means guaranteed, is that if we end up in the playoffs or better this year, 95% of our fanbase couldn’t care less about of the decisions TS is making.
Probably the same at most clubs i would think. If the club is successful no one cares about off field issues. Look at Barcelona fans not giving a shit about possible problems further down the line because their club is signing everyone. Did United fans protest at the Glazers when Fergie was winning them countless trophies? Did Chelsea fans care about Abramovich's ruthless hiring and firing? Nope because they kept winning trophies.
After another Garner comment about the budget yesterday then Sandgaard either has a change of heart, sticks to the loans and free agents or puts all his cards into what he said to the trust on the 12th August.
The key aim to get new fans is doing it by not pissing off your core support. Duchatalet and Meire did this and Sandgaard has been doing it as well although in a less offensive way and more ignorant one. Its no surprise one failed and one is failing.
So the aim is to appeal to everyone. Its a tough thing to do, but with proper planning and research over time you can. I honestly think we just need to follow simple steps of "Plan, Risk Assess, Do, Review". With Sandgaard at the moment it's "Do, Do, Do".
I work in a Museum and although they are far more diverse than a lot of people think they are, the biggest group of people less likely to visit museums are 18-25 year olds. They may be more likely to go for internships and jobs in the field, but in terms of general visiting they are the lowest. Its interesting to find why, but what you do is you work out Why That Might Be?, What We Can Do To Change That?, How We Can Change That?, What Are The Risks Involved?, Let's Pilot Some Ideas?
In other words, Plan, Risk Assess, Do, Review.
Just by thinking about things a bit more and not rushing from one failed idea to another I think we would be better off. That requires listening to people though and Sandgaard thinks he doesn't need to.
TS has done a lot well. There's a lot he could have done better.
I wonder if there is anything we think where he could do nothing or could not have done better?
For me the stadium lease, he didn't have the financial clout to buy it outright and he will have invested £7.5m by the end of the rental agreement. I'm not sure what more he could have done when dealing with Duchatelet to be honest.
TS has done a lot well. There's a lot he could have done better.
I wonder if there is anything we think where he could do nothing or could not have done better?
For me the stadium lease, he didn't have the financial clout to buy it outright and he will have invested £7.5m by the end of the rental agreement. I'm not sure what more he could have done when dealing with Duchatelet to be honest.
I agree, seeing as a shotgun and 20 years before you are out on license was not an option.
I sense it is getting nearer the 50/50 good and bad level, which i never expected tbh.
I didnt think for 1 minute that this window would close without us getting a striker, we still might, but if we dont I'm starting to think this is all going wrong. We have 80% off this squad right for promotion this season and a decent striker would make that even more of a possibility. To not sign one makes no sense at all and the only possible reason for me would be the lack of funds which in the grand scheme of things is very worrying. We paid 500k for Kirk, 300k for part time Chucks. Ffs spend a bit and biy a striker whilst we have a chance with this squad to get promoted
Personally, I am not fussed about the cost-cutting (apart from people losing jobs), clearly the club can't continue to run the way it is.. Fans also need to an element of responbility.. If we are not going to go to games, the budget is only going to get smaller.. I understand club needs to excite us to go to matches.. But I believe this could be one of our better seasons, our identity and style of play has changed hugely, to a positive exciting way of playing!
I know I am supporting from afar, but I still can't get over how poor our crowd was for the QPR match.. If I was sitting in TS shoes, I would be like, F*&K them, if they can't support the club, why should I keep putting my hand in my pocket!
Time to stop with negitivity, and get back to supporting the team again.. It is going to be a good season!
I note that the game the other night was at the 'Poundland Bescott' Stadium. Given that TS needs to increase commercial income, I'd imagine he might be open to a stadium sponsorship deal, unless he requires RD's approval as the owner. Should we expect to see it happen soon?
I note that the game the other night was at the 'Poundland Bescott' Stadium. Given that TS needs to increase commercial income, I'd imagine he might be open to a stadium sponsorship deal, unless he requires RD's approval as the owner. Should we expect to see it happen soon?
If he was to ever change the name of The Valley, that would push me into the Sandgaard out camp straight away.
I note that the game the other night was at the 'Poundland Bescott' Stadium. Given that TS needs to increase commercial income, I'd imagine he might be open to a stadium sponsorship deal, unless he requires RD's approval as the owner. Should we expect to see it happen soon?
If he was to ever change the name of The Valley, that would push me into the Sandgaard out camp straight away.
I note that the game the other night was at the 'Poundland Bescott' Stadium. Given that TS needs to increase commercial income, I'd imagine he might be open to a stadium sponsorship deal, unless he requires RD's approval as the owner. Should we expect to see it happen soon?
If he was to ever change the name of The Valley, that would push me into the Sandgaard out camp straight away.
Why? It will always be the Valley to fans.
Exactly if someone is daft enough to pay us then great, everyone will still refer to it as The Valley
The sad reality is, and it’s of course by no means guaranteed, is that if we end up in the playoffs or better this year, 95% of our fanbase couldn’t care less about of the decisions TS is making.
Indeed, but it's unlikely the quality of his decision-making on one side of the business is dramatically better than on the other. And one spills into the other. Why was the analyst Brett Shaw removed? Won't TS's unrealistic revenue projections affect the football budget more generally?
More generally, why is making piecemeal redundancies not aligned with budget setting? It could be to try to avoid triggering the statutory consultation process for 20 employees put at risk, but it's more likely I suggest that he's simply making it up as he goes along.
Should be sticking massive EV panels on the roof of the stands and using the electricity generated to cover our energy bills. There must be a pretty quick pay back given the size of the roofs. Would have though it would generate a meaningful short to medium term saving.
Should be sticking massive EV panels on the roof of the stands and using the electricity generated to cover our energy bills. There must be a pretty quick pay back given the size of the roofs. Would have though it would generate a meaningful short to medium term saving.
Not too sure about short term gain and it depends on how long you mean by medium term.
I note that the game the other night was at the 'Poundland Bescott' Stadium. Given that TS needs to increase commercial income, I'd imagine he might be open to a stadium sponsorship deal, unless he requires RD's approval as the owner. Should we expect to see it happen soon?
If he was to ever change the name of The Valley, that would push me into the Sandgaard out camp straight away.
Why? It will always be the Valley to fans.
Exactly if someone is daft enough to pay us then great, everyone will still refer to it as The Valley
The more I think about this, the more it surprises me that it hasn't been, or isn't, AFAIK, being considered.
Perhaps it is the case that it's RD's decision to make as I doubt TS would pass up on an opportunity for the Club to benefit financially from it in the current climate. I'm not sure why it should prove hard to attract a sponsor if that's the problem.
I see it as a sign of the times and, provided The Valley wasn't dropped entirely, I could get used to a new form. Controversial I know, but "The 'Red Bull' Valley" for example has a certain ring to it 🤑🤑🤑
On the other hand, if it went to the highest bidder, and that happened to be Poundland as at Walsall, "The Poundland Valley" would not send out the same signal.
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makes me wonder does he have a belief that he can attract a new shiny fan base to the valley less worried it is Charlton playing and more because it is an event to enjoy on a Saturday afternoon or midweek evening.
This would also be partial explanation of those made redundant, that is he does not see them as capable of or willing to
to see out these type of spectators, possibly at the cost established and thereby older fans.
for example the upping of prices would be moving the spectator base into the C+ to B socio-economic group or even eventually the A.
just a thought on the possible reason for the changes.
There appears to be no joined up thinking for example, with the most obvious, match ticket prices and the addition of a "supplement" if not purchased in advance. How on earth can this ridiculous policy result in increased attendances at The Valley ...not to mention decreasing the annual loss making.
If a successful business "person" cannot see what's before their very eyes ( thanks, Tommy T !) one has to wonder how he became so wealthy.
Of course, this is merely one example of the muddled thinking & the owner's view that he knows best, despite everything pointing in the opposite direction. Will he ever accept that he urgently needs the advice of those who've been there & wear the T shirt ?
In addition, it's impossible to ignore the hiring & firing of staff at will....and more pertinently to those of us that have supported our club for many years, the loss of experienced, hard working people, with our Olly being the latest victim.
IF reducing the wage bill WAS the reason for this, we have only to wait & see what or who will be TS's solution to our man's departure.
Like, Airman, I can't wait for that announcement !
Popcorn anyone ?
As you know we have had a very different opinion on previous decisions such as JJ but on this occasion I totally agree with you. This really makes no sense at all ! There is no way that the club can do away with this service/job role so it will be interesting to see what or who comes in. As I said yesterday I cant see much of a cost saving being achieved by this decision. It's just weird when you consider the fall out that was always going to happen as a result
You just have to look at things kids will like to watch. I have ideas around that which I won't share as there is no point but I think I know the sort of thing that many will enjoy more than the game and have a prize like a scalextric set which looks substantial but is relatively cheap or a signed subbuteo set
Every kid can enter their chance to compete at the game and that includes a couple from the away side to have some kids won't want to win
When money is tight the last place you make savings is with your kids. They also grow up to become future fans. I'm not saying we don't do anythng for them but I think we can do a lot more.
FC United of Manchester was formed in 2005 3 years before United won the European Cup.
But generally your right 90% of fans couldn't give a fig if you win every week.
Reduce the debt
So the aim is to appeal to everyone. Its a tough thing to do, but with proper planning and research over time you can. I honestly think we just need to follow simple steps of "Plan, Risk Assess, Do, Review". With Sandgaard at the moment it's "Do, Do, Do".
I work in a Museum and although they are far more diverse than a lot of people think they are, the biggest group of people less likely to visit museums are 18-25 year olds. They may be more likely to go for internships and jobs in the field, but in terms of general visiting they are the lowest. Its interesting to find why, but what you do is you work out Why That Might Be?, What We Can Do To Change That?, How We Can Change That?, What Are The Risks Involved?, Let's Pilot Some Ideas?
In other words, Plan, Risk Assess, Do, Review.
Just by thinking about things a bit more and not rushing from one failed idea to another I think we would be better off. That requires listening to people though and Sandgaard thinks he doesn't need to.
I wonder if there is anything we think where he could do nothing or could not have done better?
For me the stadium lease, he didn't have the financial clout to buy it outright and he will have invested £7.5m by the end of the rental agreement. I'm not sure what more he could have done when dealing with Duchatelet to be honest.
I sense it is getting nearer the 50/50 good and bad level, which i never expected tbh.
It will always be the Valley to fans.
Perhaps it is the case that it's RD's decision to make as I doubt TS would pass up on an opportunity for the Club to benefit financially from it in the current climate. I'm not sure why it should prove hard to attract a sponsor if that's the problem.
I see it as a sign of the times and, provided The Valley wasn't dropped entirely, I could get used to a new form. Controversial I know, but "The 'Red Bull' Valley" for example has a certain ring to it 🤑🤑🤑
On the other hand, if it went to the highest bidder, and that happened to be Poundland as at Walsall, "The Poundland Valley" would not send out the same signal.