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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • Charwill said:
    So is euell staying?

    Euell has been a good coach and he will always have a close connection with the club. It will be sad to see him go, but perhaps it's time for him to properly test himself if he really wants a job in management.

    For his sake, I hope he has been applying for league two positions and doesn't give up.

    Considering he used to play for them...he probably would have very much wanted the AFC Wimbledon job.

    It's a competitive battle. I personally don't think staying at Charlton will do him any favours to be honest. 

    The club needs fresh faces all round
  • We've had infinitely worse than Purrington over the last few years but if he's going then good luck and thanks for Wembley alone. As for BG watching games, you'd kind of hope he may have done a bit of this prior to his interview.
    He almost certainly had - if he's "in the process" that sounds like he's already part way through rather than just starting out to me.
  • CONCERNED? Everyone, find the corner where you stuffed the Jubilee bunting 
  • masicat said:
    Just a quick heads up on Purrington. I had it on pretty good authority yesterday that both Purrington and Gilbey had been told they can leave. Source is normally reliable which is why I posted the Purrington rumour. Was a bit more concerned about the Gilbey rumour as it didn’t make much sense at this stage. Anyway, that’s what I was told. Time will tell. 
    Gilbey makes sense as long as we replace him with better. He doesn’t fit a possession style and doesn’t score or create enough to make up for that.
  • seth plum said:
    seth plum said:
    seth plum said:
    He would be better served watching all the U18 and U23 action from last season.
    Not that we get to see such stuff other than on a haphazard and random often last minute basis.
    I hope that coverage of below first team football is hugely improved by the communications team next season.
    So don't watch the first team, have no idea about the players you have and what is required and watch the U18/23's instead? Ridiculous.
    Are you making some kind of point?
    Charlton TV subscribers are partially enticed by a suggestion that development level games are covered.
    Up to now that has been haphazard and unpredictable and I am hoping for it to get better.
    We are not allowed to watch games at Sparrows Lane, even with a season ticket.
    Now my opinions are probably rubbish, but some others, and some other posters know that I have always been interested in commenting on the play and players below first team level, and have built up some knowledge of that part of the club.
    If you think that it is ridiculous that I hope for better coverage then fine, but what I think is happening is you are once again seizing on an opportunity to have a dig at me for no reason because I don’t continually worship the comms team but want them to give a better service.
    Another person describes it as a vendetta, which it isn’t. It is a desire for better coverage, and by the way that includes better camera coverage and commentary when it falls short.
    It is like certain people are above criticism, but Seth Plum deserves as much criticism as can be brewed up. I do not describe your posts as ridiculous, I have explained my point of view, if you think there is something wrong with the detail of what I write then comment on that rather than your continual baseless personal digs.
    This is the next manager/Ben Garner confirmed thread.

    The discussion was around Garner watching last season's first team games, so that he will be well versed in the players he has and the players he would need, which seems very sensible to me.

    You suggested that he would be better off not watching the first team games to get up to speed with our first team, but "he would be better served watching the U18 and U23 games".

    I said that it ridiculous which it clearly is.

    (I'm not interested in a discussion on the manager thread, about anything else you have added inappropriately).
     
    I did not say this at all.
    I understand the Spanish trip will involve a lot of development players, players the club hopes to bring through.
    At no time did I suggest Garner should not watch as many first team videos as he chooses, I was suggesting additional research which in the current circumstances might prove fruitful.
    You suggested he’d be better watching the youth games than first team ones. I’m with Covered End, it has to be the first team games in the first instance. Garner should get the opportunity to have a look at a few of the younger players in pre-season and needs to speak to the coaches about them. But it's the first team which has to come first, the U23's will step up when they're ready. 
    Errr, no I didn’t suggest this.
    He can watch as many first team games as he likes.
    I said he would be better served watching the up and coming players, at no time did I say that would be at the expense of watching old film of the first team.
  • Ben Garner is in the process of watching all of the #cafc games from last season to gather more insight into the personal he has available to him.

    He would be better served watching all the U18 and U23 action from last season.
    Indeed. I did not say he ought not to watch first team games as that quote clearly shows.
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  • masicat said:
    Just a quick heads up on Purrington. I had it on pretty good authority yesterday that both Purrington and Gilbey had been told they can leave. Source is normally reliable which is why I posted the Purrington rumour. Was a bit more concerned about the Gilbey rumour as it didn’t make much sense at this stage. Anyway, that’s what I was told. Time will tell. 

    Assuming your source is accurate:

    As Gilbey's form fell off a cliff after he peaked against Ipswich at home with his MOM performance I personally think this isn't a decision made by Ben Garner.
    Far from it, if he is watching from the start of the season, Charlton improved with Gilbey's legs in the team at least when JJ was caretaker.

    Unlike Cabbles I always thought that Gilbey was a decent player and alongside Fraser on form and fit could be a good contrast in style; the creative player and the water carrier. 

    We played an away game and Gilbey was on a yellow card; he then kicked the ball away and we had a lenient ref and he was lucky.

    Against Lincoln after his first tug back of the shirt in a forward position, I said to my Mate, " oh fuck this is the day he gets sent off"  as I'm Mystic Meg's soulmate, before the first half was over, he did the walk of shame and another nail in JJ's football coffin at Cafc. 

    The caveat is, if this is true I believe that Gilbey is unsettled and has probably received vile personal abuse from critics on social media as well as at the stadiums at away if not home games. I have major doubts about his straw brain ( mild in Twitter term)  there is a problem and as I have never spoken to him I can't be sure about his intelligence or his state of mine.

    Purrington had a great spell under JJ and was a steady Eddie under Bowyer BUT his lack of pace can be exploited and the same applied to Matthews who has left the club.
    Ben Purrs as reserve LB would be fine.




  • masicat said:
    Just a quick heads up on Purrington. I had it on pretty good authority yesterday that both Purrington and Gilbey had been told they can leave. Source is normally reliable which is why I posted the Purrington rumour. Was a bit more concerned about the Gilbey rumour as it didn’t make much sense at this stage. Anyway, that’s what I was told. Time will tell. 
    Masicat. Never wrong.

    I heard they’re being replaced by a Belgian and a Moroccan. 
  • mendonca said:
    Chunes said:
    Gilbey's statbank scores:

    20/21: 5.96
    21/22: 5.80

    Why give him a third?
    That is pretty awful. 



    Just got to hope Ben G reads Charlton Life.
  • edited June 2022
    seth plum said:
    Ben Garner is in the process of watching all of the #cafc games from last season to gather more insight into the personal he has available to him.

    He would be better served watching all the U18 and U23 action from last season.
    Indeed. I did not say he ought not to watch first team games as that quote clearly shows.

    Think this needs to go to Arbitration..Judge @AFKABartram ..🧕
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  • edited June 2022
    mendonca said:
    Chunes said:
    Gilbey's statbank scores:

    20/21: 5.96
    21/22: 5.80

    Why give him a third?
    That is pretty awful. 



    Just got to hope Ben G reads Charlton Life.
    Haha! Hopefully he doesn't need to. There's no world in which Gilbey fits into a possession-style team, the guy is just a runner. 
  • seth plum said:
    Ben Garner is in the process of watching all of the #cafc games from last season to gather more insight into the personal he has available to him.

    He would be better served watching all the U18 and U23 action from last season.
    Indeed. I did not say he ought not to watch first team games as that quote clearly shows.

    Think this needs to go to Arbitration..Judge AFKA.. B)
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    against    tick LOL
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    What a great way to get your scores up.
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  • edited June 2022
    Redrobo said:
    seth plum said:
    Ben Garner is in the process of watching all of the #cafc games from last season to gather more insight into the personal he has available to him.

    He would be better served watching all the U18 and U23 action from last season.
    Indeed. I did not say he ought not to watch first team games as that quote clearly shows.

    Think this needs to go to Arbitration..Judge AFKA.. B)
    in favour tick LIKE
    against    tick LOL
    😊😊

    What a great way to get your scores up.
    ..Oh ye of little faith..as if...
  • edited June 2022
    Seth Plum and Covered end have history and are two very different characters. Knowing Covered end he wouldn't be a fan of *Samuel Becket and the world of the absurd which both Mr Plum and I visit at times. Covered end would never wait for Godot !

    Only had one conversation with Seth in the Charlton cafe but he is a good guy and an individual. Covered end is normally the voice of reason even though we have polemic views on woman's football. 

    The good news for Seth and all Charlton fans is Ben Garner want all the Charlton teams from the youth to the 1st team to play the same way. This is a fine ambition but quite difficult to achieve because of the limitations of some players at our level.

    Edit* I put Thomas Becket at first not Samuel, how completely absurd is that 🤦🏻‍♂️
  • Get rid of Gilbey and keep Morgan … no thanks 
  • Get rid of Gilbey and keep Morgan … no thanks 
    Where was Morgan mentioned?
  • edited June 2022
    mendonca said:
    Get rid of Gilbey and keep Morgan … no thanks 
    Where was Morgan mentioned?
    C'mon,,Plymouth Herald..keep up.. ;)
  • Sage said:
    I have met and spoke to Gilbey many times and can assure you all he is an intelligent man who has time for those around him. He is not unsettled either. I am sure he would say so himself that he has changed since becoming a father. The abuse he has received from here and on social media is far too harsh. He’s not played great through the second half of the season but he was excellent through the Jackson caretaker spell.

    If you look at his Charlton career, it’s not gone the way he wanted at all. And there are reasons for that, normal football and human life reasons that people often overlook.

    He came in to a side who had been relegated and the squad decimated. He started bright and then picked up an injury. He played through the injury as he wanted to continue to play and try to help the team. It didn’t work and he was out for longer.

    He then came back into the side and seemingly fell out of favour with Bowyer, playing him in all kinds of positions and being singled out for criticism. He came out the team again but was struggling to get back to fitness and that management style at the time was not ideal.

    Adkins came in and played him as a 10 and he was very good at the back end of that season. People talking about a new Gilbey and whatever it might have been. We were impressed.

    He missed a large part, if not all of pre season because he had a severe case of covid. That took a big hit on his fitness and possibly a bit on his confidence too.

    Gets himself in a position to help the team after hard work and does very well up until the middle of December.

    Then Jackson gets made permanent, we have case after case of Covid and injuries start to Mount including our 3 main strikers. All of our players in that period were poor.

    Players start to come back and by this point, the season is over, there is a lot of internal politics, players do not know their future and because of the system being played, he often found himself having to be almost a right midfielder and not a central midfielder being asked to help the attack because Matthews as right wing back offered nearly nothing going forward.

    His best position is one of two 8s in a 3 man midfield with actual wide players available. We rarely played that throughout his time here.

    His performances haven’t been great and he would say the same but the criticism is well over board and has been for a while and that, alongside it being a general census so people will lean towards that opinion, contributes to his average marks. But at the same time, people like myself never score players so it is also skewed as well.

    If he leaves, it looks like I’ll be one in a minority who will be sad to see him go because he can offer us so much next season and I hope he stays and proves many people wrong because in a team who has the ball more than they don’t, and creates more chances, he is actually a type of player who could shine. 
    I agree.

    I hope he was not one of the footballers who declined the vaccination? 
  • Redrobo said:
    Sage said:
    I have met and spoke to Gilbey many times and can assure you all he is an intelligent man who has time for those around him. He is not unsettled either. I am sure he would say so himself that he has changed since becoming a father. The abuse he has received from here and on social media is far too harsh. He’s not played great through the second half of the season but he was excellent through the Jackson caretaker spell.

    If you look at his Charlton career, it’s not gone the way he wanted at all. And there are reasons for that, normal football and human life reasons that people often overlook.

    He came in to a side who had been relegated and the squad decimated. He started bright and then picked up an injury. He played through the injury as he wanted to continue to play and try to help the team. It didn’t work and he was out for longer.

    He then came back into the side and seemingly fell out of favour with Bowyer, playing him in all kinds of positions and being singled out for criticism. He came out the team again but was struggling to get back to fitness and that management style at the time was not ideal.

    Adkins came in and played him as a 10 and he was very good at the back end of that season. People talking about a new Gilbey and whatever it might have been. We were impressed.

    He missed a large part, if not all of pre season because he had a severe case of covid. That took a big hit on his fitness and possibly a bit on his confidence too.

    Gets himself in a position to help the team after hard work and does very well up until the middle of December.

    Then Jackson gets made permanent, we have case after case of Covid and injuries start to Mount including our 3 main strikers. All of our players in that period were poor.

    Players start to come back and by this point, the season is over, there is a lot of internal politics, players do not know their future and because of the system being played, he often found himself having to be almost a right midfielder and not a central midfielder being asked to help the attack because Matthews as right wing back offered nearly nothing going forward.

    His best position is one of two 8s in a 3 man midfield with actual wide players available. We rarely played that throughout his time here.

    His performances haven’t been great and he would say the same but the criticism is well over board and has been for a while and that, alongside it being a general census so people will lean towards that opinion, contributes to his average marks. But at the same time, people like myself never score players so it is also skewed as well.

    If he leaves, it looks like I’ll be one in a minority who will be sad to see him go because he can offer us so much next season and I hope he stays and proves many people wrong because in a team who has the ball more than they don’t, and creates more chances, he is actually a type of player who could shine. 
    I agree.

    I hope he was not one of the footballers who declined the vaccination? 
    His own fault if so. I actually like Gilbey and there’s something there but we just haven’t seen it enough. 
  • On his day Gilbey is good, but he doesn't show it enough.  His red card against Lincoln last season was a new low after a bang average season 
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