We were never going to sign Bonne, it was all smoke and mirrors to keep the fans happy. That statement on the web site when the window closed was probably written before lunch on the same day well before 11.00pm
Evidence please? 🤨
Untrue .. he passed a medical at the training ground , and QPR failed to get their target and changed the deal from a loan to permanent at 10.55pm
We were never going to sign Bonne, it was all smoke and mirrors to keep the fans happy. That statement on the web site when the window closed was probably written before lunch on the same day well before 11.00pm
Evidence please? 🤨
Untrue .. he passed a medical at the training ground , and QPR failed to get their target and changed the deal from a loan to permanent at 10.55pm
That’s simply untrue.
Try to ignore him It's not easy I know But he ain't worth the trouble.
It would seem we are not getting a proper striker as we have missed the deadline yet again. some less optimistic fans to myself think promotion is now highly unlikely and attendance at the Valley will slowly decline. I say that if we are in the top 8/10 by January and if our Ego driven owner invests in a proper Striker then we will see, as Goals get results get points 👍 we are all so used to lies, Bullshit and broken promises that anything could happen 🤮
You're aware that 'striker' was Macauley Bonne? Proper? Might he have made a silkier purse out of the sow's ear that passed for service in to Miles Leaburn last night? All ifs and maybes as Skintgaard pulled the rug and we're lumbered with our rabble of League 2 free transfers, youngsters, outcasts and crocks.
It was QPR that pulled the rug nothing to do with Charlton .. plus we only went after Bonne because BG number one target got his move to a championship club
So we went all transfer window chasing Scully then on deadline day he went to Wigan we turned to Bonne? If so what a plan.
Was not Scully ..
How would you know?
Because it was Simpson of Ipswich who played under Garner at Swindon and was his prime target , we had a bid accepted but he wanted to wait to see if he got a championship club
I didn't ask what do you know, I asked how do you know?
Simpson probably was our main target and it then moved to Scully.
We found out that Huddersfield we’re not going to loan him out after they brought him late on deadline day we then looked at a Millwall forward but turned to Bonne .. we never went after Scully
It would seem we are not getting a proper striker as we have missed the deadline yet again. some less optimistic fans to myself think promotion is now highly unlikely and attendance at the Valley will slowly decline. I say that if we are in the top 8/10 by January and if our Ego driven owner invests in a proper Striker then we will see, as Goals get results get points 👍 we are all so used to lies, Bullshit and broken promises that anything could happen 🤮
You're aware that 'striker' was Macauley Bonne? Proper? Might he have made a silkier purse out of the sow's ear that passed for service in to Miles Leaburn last night? All ifs and maybes as Skintgaard pulled the rug and we're lumbered with our rabble of League 2 free transfers, youngsters, outcasts and crocks.
It was QPR that pulled the rug nothing to do with Charlton .. plus we only went after Bonne because BG number one target got his move to a championship club
So we went all transfer window chasing Scully then on deadline day he went to Wigan we turned to Bonne? If so what a plan.
Was not Scully ..
How would you know?
Because it was Simpson of Ipswich who played under Garner at Swindon and was his prime target , we had a bid accepted but he wanted to wait to see if he got a championship club
I didn't ask what do you know, I asked how do you know?
Simpson probably was our main target and it then moved to Scully.
We found out that Huddersfield we’re not going to loan him out after they brought him late on deadline day we then looked at a Millwall forward but turned to Bonne .. we never went after Scully
We were never going to sign Bonne, it was all smoke and mirrors to keep the fans happy.
The fans were NOT happy about signing Bonne!
Some were.
If you're going to pull off a plan like that you'd probably pick a better player.
If you knew anything about football you would...
Despite Ronny's info to the contrary (I can't believe I had to say that) we had been working on a deal for Scully for months. That is where the Gilbey rumour came form, I actually think that's where the "Gilbey told he could leave" story came from. It was that long in the making.
I understand that we spent the last 2 or 3 days of the window trying, and failing, to make "chains". When all else failed it's was left to Gallen's little black book, that's when Bonne came in.
There might be frustration from Garner, and the players, that we didn't sign x or y. There is certainly frustration that they were all offered up like second hand cars.
There is, in my opinion, more to the last team selection than meets the eye. It will all come out in wash. Or not. Only time will tell.
Late to this, but Garner shouldn't be picking players to make a point. I'm no fan of Sandgaard and want him out now, but the manager has to try and get the best out of each player and pick the best side to win a game.
We were never going to sign Bonne, it was all smoke and mirrors to keep the fans happy.
The fans were NOT happy about signing Bonne!
Some were.
If you're going to pull off a plan like that you'd probably pick a better player.
If you knew anything about football you would...
Despite Ronny's info to the contrary (I can't believe I had to say that) we had been working on a deal for Scully for months. That is where the Gilbey rumour came form, I actually think that's where the "Gilbey told he could leave" story came from. It was that long in the making.
I understand that we spent the last 2 or 3 days of the window trying, and failing, to make "chains". When all else failed it's was left to Gallen's little black book, that's when Bonne came in.
There might be frustration from Garner, and the players, that we didn't sign x or y. There is certainly frustration that they were all offered up like second hand cars.
There is, in my opinion, more to the last team selection than meets the eye. It will all come out in wash. Or not. Only time will tell.
Late to this, but Garner shouldn't be picking players to make a point. I'm no fan of Sandgaard and want him out now, but the manager has to try and get the best out of each player and pick the best side to win a game.
Garner should absolutely be picking teams to make all sorts of points - to the players - the latest bodies dropped from the lineup owe it all to their own performances, Richard Chin excepted
We were never going to sign Bonne, it was all smoke and mirrors to keep the fans happy.
The fans were NOT happy about signing Bonne!
Some were.
If you're going to pull off a plan like that you'd probably pick a better player.
If you knew anything about football you would...
Despite Ronny's info to the contrary (I can't believe I had to say that) we had been working on a deal for Scully for months. That is where the Gilbey rumour came form, I actually think that's where the "Gilbey told he could leave" story came from. It was that long in the making.
I understand that we spent the last 2 or 3 days of the window trying, and failing, to make "chains". When all else failed it's was left to Gallen's little black book, that's when Bonne came in.
There might be frustration from Garner, and the players, that we didn't sign x or y. There is certainly frustration that they were all offered up like second hand cars.
There is, in my opinion, more to the last team selection than meets the eye. It will all come out in wash. Or not. Only time will tell.
Late to this, but Garner shouldn't be picking players to make a point. I'm no fan of Sandgaard and want him out now, but the manager has to try and get the best out of each player and pick the best side to win a game.
Garner should absolutely be picking teams to make all sorts of points - to the players - the latest bodies dropped from the lineup owe it all to their own performances, Richard Chin excepted
I'm guessing that we were hoping to unload Kirk before the end of the transfer deadline, maybe to Blackpool? So he was kept in the team to improve his transfer valuation. As far as we know, no one came in for him so he has now been unceremoniously been dumped right out of the squad. A bit harsh perhaps but I would favour CBT over him.
Kirk was dropped because of his anonymous appearances at Sheff Weds & Bolton.
CBT has started to become a key goal threat and has to be first choice for that reason.
A much of a muchness... We need creators and scorers.
But this tells us absolutely nothing, or nothing that we already didn’t know. They’re completely different players who just happen to play in the same position.
Kirk passes more, CBT dribbles more and takes more risks. CBT is more direct and has electric pace, Kirk takes more touches and is slower with the ball at his feet. Kirk needs a full back to overlap so he can come inside, CBT can hit it and breeze passed an opponent. I guess what those stats do show is that although Kirk has more assists, CBT has created more chances in less minutes. And it’s down to the forwards/other players to be more clinical. One of Kirk’s assists was from a pass to Clare who rifled it into the top corner, it’s unlikely that he’ll get an assist like that again this season.
They both prefer to play on the left but ultimately, I really believe we are a far better team when CBT is on the pitch.
Kirk was dropped because of his anonymous appearances at Sheff Weds & Bolton.
CBT has started to become a key goal threat and has to be first choice for that reason.
A much of a muchness... We need creators and scorers.
But this tells us absolutely nothing, or nothing that we already didn’t know. They’re completely different players who just happen to play in the same position.
Kirk passes more, CBT dribbles more and takes more risks. CBT is more direct and has electric pace, Kirk takes more touches and is slower with the ball at his feet. Kirk needs a full back to overlap so he can come inside, CBT can hit it and breeze passed an opponent. I guess what those stats do show is that although Kirk has more assists, CBT has created more chances in less minutes. And it’s down to the forwards/other players to be more clinical. One of Kirk’s assists was from a pass to Clare who rifled it into the top corner, it’s unlikely that he’ll get an assist like that again this season.
They both prefer to play on the left but ultimately, I really believe we are a far better team when CBT is on the pitch.
Depends on the situation. When teams are sitting back against us I'd rather have Kirk on the pitch. Feel he would have been far more likely to make something happen in the second half of the last two matches.
Kirk was dropped because of his anonymous appearances at Sheff Weds & Bolton.
CBT has started to become a key goal threat and has to be first choice for that reason.
Was he anonymous against Wednesday? The first 70 minutes of that game was one of our strongest performances of the year and a large part of that was due to how we pressed, particularly Kirk, from the front.
Kirk and CBT as pointed out are very different players, who present very different challenges to opposition teams.
With both at 24 I personally think Kirk has had the better overall career (though not at Charlton) and has a higher ceiling with his ability - but I also don’t think he displaces CBT from the team at the moment either.
We have to gamble on CBT gaining composure because he is the biggest goal threat we have. For many League One defences, he is unplayable. I think he suits the left as defenders stand off him because of his pace so the opportunity to cut in and get a shot off is a very regular one. But with him and JRS, surely we have to wide players that we can switch in the right circumstances too and give full backs different problems in the same game. The challenge is to get the quality of the shots up. He is a professional footballer with some ability, so this should not be beyond our coaches and the player himself. The players who never get there are the ones you shouldn't bother about.
I would say that if JRS and CBT had been as sharp as they should be, we would have had at least 2 more goals from our last couple of games and that would represent four more points! Having said that, if/when we do crack it, he will be snapped up. I'd be trying to extend his contract now.
Kirk was dropped because of his anonymous appearances at Sheff Weds & Bolton.
CBT has started to become a key goal threat and has to be first choice for that reason.
Was he anonymous against Wednesday? The first 70 minutes of that game was one of our strongest performances of the year and a large part of that was due to how we pressed, particularly Kirk, from the front.
Kirk and CBT as pointed out are very different players, who present very different challenges to opposition teams.
With both at 24 I personally think Kirk has had the better overall career (though not at Charlton) and has a higher ceiling with his ability - but I also don’t think he displaces CBT from the team at the moment either.
Unfortunately, I don’t have a good word to say about him….. it’s not often I’ll say that about a Charlton player. 😕
I like that. Garner looks like he has somthing about him but the fact remains he has recently been appointed and when that happens managers don't tend to speak out. Technically, he isn't speaking out, just telling the truth. A truth that only an idiot like Sandgaard doesn't undertsand.
I like that. Garner looks like he has somthing about him but the fact remains he has recently been appointed and when that happens managers don't tend to speak out. Technically, he isn't speaking out, just telling the truth. A truth that only an idiot like Sandgaard doesn't undertsand.
Sandgaard does understand exactly what and why everything is happening as do we all.
There is a budget. It is as simple as that.
You may not like it, Garner may not like it, I don’t like it. But it is what it is and there is no point bitching about it. I think Garner is talking to us, the fans. We have to move on and support Garner and his players and get behind the team. Booing or slagging of the team or individual players is making his job harder than it should be.
I like that. Garner looks like he has somthing about him but the fact remains he has recently been appointed and when that happens managers don't tend to speak out. Technically, he isn't speaking out, just telling the truth. A truth that only an idiot like Sandgaard doesn't undertsand.
Sandgaard does understand exactly what and why everything is happening as do we all.
There is a budget. It is as simple as that.
You may not like it, Garner may not like it, I don’t like it. But it is what it is and there is no point bitching about it. I think Garner is talking to us, the fans. We have to move on and support Garner and his players and get behind the team. Booing or slagging of the team or individual players is making his job harder than it should be.
I like that. Garner looks like he has somthing about him but the fact remains he has recently been appointed and when that happens managers don't tend to speak out. Technically, he isn't speaking out, just telling the truth. A truth that only an idiot like Sandgaard doesn't undertsand.
Sandgaard does understand exactly what and why everything is happening as do we all.
There is a budget. It is as simple as that.
You may not like it, Garner may not like it, I don’t like it. But it is what it is and there is no point bitching about it. I think Garner is talking to us, the fans. We have to move on and support Garner and his players and get behind the team. Booing or slagging of the team or individual players is making his job harder than it should be.
I disagree. The rug looks to have been pulled from BG and surely it is a false economy to anybody who does understand the potential implications of that.
What Garner is saying is right, a lot of our budget is taken up on players Garner does not want or need, it may take 2 or 3 windows to readdress this balance. For example if you could replace, the fees/ wages spent on Kirk, DJ, Chucks and Stockley and allow to spend that on his own players I'm sure we would be in a much better place. Bottom line is Saangard is skint, whereas clubs like Ipswich can afford to get transfers wrong and take losses on them, we can't
I like that. Garner looks like he has somthing about him but the fact remains he has recently been appointed and when that happens managers don't tend to speak out. Technically, he isn't speaking out, just telling the truth. A truth that only an idiot like Sandgaard doesn't undertsand.
Sandgaard does understand exactly what and why everything is happening as do we all.
There is a budget. It is as simple as that.
You may not like it, Garner may not like it, I don’t like it. But it is what it is and there is no point bitching about it. I think Garner is talking to us, the fans. We have to move on and support Garner and his players and get behind the team. Booing or slagging of the team or individual players is making his job harder than it should be.
Agreed - slagging, bitching and moaning on here is one thing but when I’m at the ground I’ll be 100% behind the team as always
Garner made a great point last night that in football you have one of two things. Resources or time. We don’t have the former so we need to ensure he has the latter.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
Garner made a great point last night that in football you have one of two things. Resources or time. We don’t have the former so we need to ensure he has the latter.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
He will certainly get time from me, but I also feel he needs resources as well - and hopefully the time will allow him and the club to bring in the right players.
Although I think the first team squad is in a better position overall than it was last year, I do feel that no matter how much time anyone gets, if we start each season with 3 strikers - one who is a promising but raw 18 year old, and another who is injury prone and can’t play 90 minutes when fit - we are going to struggle.
Garner made a great point last night that in football you have one of two things. Resources or time. We don’t have the former so we need to ensure he has the latter.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
He will certainly get time from me, but I also feel he needs resources as well - and hopefully the time will allow him and the club to bring in the right players.
Although I think the first team squad is in a better position overall than it was last year, I do feel that no matter how much time anyone gets, if we start each season with 3 strikers - one who is a promising but raw 18 year old, and another who is injury prone and can’t play 90 minutes when fit - we are going to struggle.
That though is also a result of who we brought in earlier in the window, and in previous windows. We have a situation where the likes of Kirk can be left out altogether, and Henry fail to make the bench either due to the glut of midfielders, when we have gaps in other positions.
Garner made a great point last night that in football you have one of two things. Resources or time. We don’t have the former so we need to ensure he has the latter.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
Exactly my fear, but he has yet to be given time anywhere, and if we give him the time opportunity to build his squad who knows.
A glimmer of hope is that we were in for a striker in the summer and we do have a gifted set of youngsters that could be pushing for a place in the squad over the next 18 to 24 months. Not the time scale we would wish for, but maybe a more realistic one.
I heard we had a couple of real proper players that would of helped to fire us to promotion out of this shit pony league but unfotunately we have an egotistical joke of an owner who takes advice from his lad and... well that's about it really.
I heard we had a couple of real proper players that would of helped to fire us to promotion out of this shit pony league but unfotunately we have egotistical joke of an owner who takes advice from lad and... well that's about it really.
That might be a rumour based on no fact whatsoever!
Garner made a great point last night that in football you have one of two things. Resources or time. We don’t have the former so we need to ensure he has the latter.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
Isn't the real issue that time isn't free?
To break even, no laughing at the back, we either need to sell players or reduce the wage bill, significantly.
If you, meaning the owner, give Garner 18 months but flog off Leaburn, Dobson, Clare and God knows who else he isn't going to be successful. Is he?
Not only is being in league 1 costing Thomas a fortune it is also reducing the size of the club.
I am sorry but I can't really balance that equation. It's only a matter of how long you spread the loss over, not if you lose it or not.
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It's not easy I know
But he ain't worth the trouble.
CBT has started to become a key goal threat and has to be first choice for that reason.
Kirk passes more, CBT dribbles more and takes more risks. CBT is more direct and has electric pace, Kirk takes more touches and is slower with the ball at his feet. Kirk needs a full back to overlap so he can come inside, CBT can hit it and breeze passed an opponent. I guess what those stats do show is that although Kirk has more assists, CBT has created more chances in less minutes. And it’s down to the forwards/other players to be more clinical. One of Kirk’s assists was from a pass to Clare who rifled it into the top corner, it’s unlikely that he’ll get an assist like that again this season.
They both prefer to play on the left but ultimately, I really believe we are a far better team when CBT is on the pitch.
Depends on the situation. When teams are sitting back against us I'd rather have Kirk on the pitch. Feel he would have been far more likely to make something happen in the second half of the last two matches.
Kirk and CBT as pointed out are very different players, who present very different challenges to opposition teams.
I would say that if JRS and CBT had been as sharp as they should be, we would have had at least 2 more goals from our last couple of games and that would represent four more points! Having said that, if/when we do crack it, he will be snapped up. I'd be trying to extend his contract now.
There is a budget. It is as simple as that.
You may not like it, Garner may not like it, I don’t like it. But it is what it is and there is no point bitching about it.
I think Garner is talking to us, the fans. We have to move on and support Garner and his players and get behind the team. Booing or slagging of the team or individual players is making his job harder than it should be.
Just hope that it is provided and he is able to build what is required.
Other worries would be another club comes along and provides him the resources he’s never had and he could see that as a better opportunity.
Not the time scale we would wish for, but maybe a more realistic one.
To break even, no laughing at the back, we either need to sell players or reduce the wage bill, significantly.
If you, meaning the owner, give Garner 18 months but flog off Leaburn, Dobson, Clare and God knows who else he isn't going to be successful. Is he?
Not only is being in league 1 costing Thomas a fortune it is also reducing the size of the club.
I am sorry but I can't really balance that equation. It's only a matter of how long you spread the loss over, not if you lose it or not.