MKD weren't nearly so ball-playing while Gilbey was there, tbf...
Not sure what they were like under Tisdale, but he did play under Russel Martin whose style makes ‘GarnerBall’ look like prime Sam Allardyce.
Would that be the Russell Martin who flogged him to Charlton without a second's hesitation?
The same manager who jogged McGrandles and Fraser on without a second's hesitation.....
Only once they'd signed Twine to replace the latter
All the being flipent aside it does make you wonder when Garner decided that the "frozen out three" weren't up to it? Or indeed that's what he actually has decided.
I suspect that JFC and Gilbey having only one year on their contract is contrary to the football business model. Peterborough would freeze them out in the same way. (that assumes that they have a monetary value in the market)
Payne and Morgan are the chief corner takers I guess.
Is a side with both of them in too attacking?
Wollacott
Clare Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon Morgan Dobson Payne
Rak-Sakyi Stockley CBT
Why would playing Payne instead of Fraser make us more vulnerable defensively? Fraser is hardly a defensive player.
I noticed on Tuesday that Fraser did track back and do a lot of good defensive work. I think he is more of an all round mid fielder than he is given credit for
We are faced with that fantastic dilemma of having too many players I’d want to put into our best XI instead of scrabbling to try and fill the team by putting square pegs and round holes! And that’s before even seeing what a fit McGrandles and Egbo have to offer.
Get the two players in that we want (positionally) and it all of a sudden becomes a fight to even get into the 18!
MKD weren't nearly so ball-playing while Gilbey was there, tbf...
Not sure what they were like under Tisdale, but he did play under Russel Martin whose style makes ‘GarnerBall’ look like prime Sam Allardyce.
Would that be the Russell Martin who flogged him to Charlton without a second's hesitation?
The same manager who jogged McGrandles and Fraser on without a second's hesitation.....
Only once they'd signed Twine to replace the latter
All the being flipent aside it does make you wonder when Garner decided that the "frozen out three" weren't up to it? Or indeed that's what he actually has decided.
Am I forgetting the third of the three you are referring to?
It’s funny what happens when you have a coaching set up which does not look to bypass the midfield.
Considering on the whole how badly performing people said our midfield was last year (with the exception of Dobbo for obvious reasons of course), and how well oiled they are beginning to look this year - maybe even Gilbey (player of the year two years in a row at ball playing MK Dons) would look better under ‘GarnerBall’.
Agreed. I think Gilbey would do really well under Garner, unfortunately for him we are so well stacked in that area that he isn’t at the level we have now.
MKD weren't nearly so ball-playing while Gilbey was there, tbf...
Not sure what they were like under Tisdale, but he did play under Russel Martin whose style makes ‘GarnerBall’ look like prime Sam Allardyce.
Would that be the Russell Martin who flogged him to Charlton without a second's hesitation?
The same manager who jogged McGrandles and Fraser on without a second's hesitation.....
Only once they'd signed Twine to replace the latter
All the being flipent aside it does make you wonder when Garner decided that the "frozen out three" weren't up to it? Or indeed that's what he actually has decided.
I suspect that JFC and Gilbey having only one year on their contract is contrary to the football business model. Peterborough would freeze them out in the same way. (that assumes that they have a monetary value in the market)
MKD weren't nearly so ball-playing while Gilbey was there, tbf...
Not sure what they were like under Tisdale, but he did play under Russel Martin whose style makes ‘GarnerBall’ look like prime Sam Allardyce.
Would that be the Russell Martin who flogged him to Charlton without a second's hesitation?
The same manager who jogged McGrandles and Fraser on without a second's hesitation.....
Only once they'd signed Twine to replace the latter
All the being flipent aside it does make you wonder when Garner decided that the "frozen out three" weren't up to it? Or indeed that's what he actually has decided.
Am I forgetting the third of the three you are referring to?
MacGillivray, JFC and Gilbey.
We basically signed their replacements before preseason started.
Payne and Morgan are the chief corner takers I guess.
Is a side with both of them in too attacking?
Wollacott
Clare Inniss O'Connell Sessegnon Morgan Dobson Payne
Rak-Sakyi Stockley CBT
Why would playing Payne instead of Fraser make us more vulnerable defensively? Fraser is hardly a defensive player.
I noticed on Tuesday that Fraser did track back and do a lot of good defensive work. I think he is more of an all round mid fielder than he is given credit for
But then so does Payne. He's not a Kirk style of attacking player, who can't really defend
MKD weren't nearly so ball-playing while Gilbey was there, tbf...
Not sure what they were like under Tisdale, but he did play under Russel Martin whose style makes ‘GarnerBall’ look like prime Sam Allardyce.
Would that be the Russell Martin who flogged him to Charlton without a second's hesitation?
The same manager who jogged McGrandles and Fraser on without a second's hesitation.....
Only once they'd signed Twine to replace the latter
All the being flipent aside it does make you wonder when Garner decided that the "frozen out three" weren't up to it? Or indeed that's what he actually has decided.
Am I forgetting the third of the three you are referring to?
MacGillivray, JFC and Gilbey.
We basically signed their replacements before preseason started.
Ah MacKeeper was the one I missed.
I'm not sure he'll be going before the January window myself. Wollacott likely to be away for the World Cup as well as other international duties over time... is Harness ready to step up?
It’s funny what happens when you have a coaching set up which does not look to bypass the midfield.
Considering on the whole how badly performing people said our midfield was last year (with the exception of Dobbo for obvious reasons of course), and how well oiled they are beginning to look this year - maybe even Gilbey (player of the year two years in a row at ball playing MK Dons) would look better under ‘GarnerBall’.
Agreed. I think Gilbey would do really well under Garner, unfortunately for him we are so well stacked in that area that he isn’t at the level we have now.
Not sure, as passing isn’t his strongest suit.
Disagree, think under the right manager he’d do well
It’s funny what happens when you have a coaching set up which does not look to bypass the midfield.
Considering on the whole how badly performing people said our midfield was last year (with the exception of Dobbo for obvious reasons of course), and how well oiled they are beginning to look this year - maybe even Gilbey (player of the year two years in a row at ball playing MK Dons) would look better under ‘GarnerBall’.
But Garner wants his midfielders to constantly show for the ball, receive it in tight areas and play. That's probably Gilbey's biggest set of weaknesses. Firstly the bravery to not hide and play football, and secondly the technique to keep the ball in tight areas.
A few people did predict Gilbey would do well under Garner and yet he's being shipped on, meanwhile Albie Morgan is a starter.
Bang on - he played in bursts and went missing a lot of the time - he’s neither a winger or a midfielder for me and am happy to see him go
I always though Gilbey under delivered for us as I'm sure there is a much better player in there than we have seen. However I never dreamt that Albie could string a few games together playing at the level he is at the moment so that shows how much I know 🙄 If he leaves I would only wish him goodluck and hope he proves a success for someone else
I always though Gilbey under delivered for us as I'm sure there is a much better player in there than we have seen. However I never dreamt that Albie could string a few games together playing at the level he is at the moment so that shows how much I know 🙄 If he leaves I would only wish him goodluck and hope he proves a success for someone else
I think Gilbey is a much better player than what we’ve seen from him. He’ll do well elsewhere I’m sure. No idea why it didn’t work out for him at Charlton but it sometimes happens. Good luck to him if he’s leaving.
Gilbey to Lincoln on loan with a view to permanent. Apparently pretty much a done deal
He is in the last year of his contract so struggling to see how it’s a loan with a view to perm? Surely just a loan and they will then sign him on a free when his contract expires ( if they still want him)
Gilbey to Lincoln on loan with a view to permanent. Apparently pretty much a done deal
He is in the last year of his contract so struggling to see how it’s a loan with a view to perm? Surely just a loan and they will then sign him on a free when his contract expires ( if they still want him)
Yes you are right. Where I saw the news was the same Ryan Whelen tweet so it was from a Lincoln perspective where they are probably taking him on loan with a view to signing him permanently for free
Gilbey to Lincoln on loan with a view to permanent. Apparently pretty much a done deal
He is in the last year of his contract so struggling to see how it’s a loan with a view to perm? Surely just a loan and they will then sign him on a free when his contract expires ( if they still want him)
Can only think it's with a recall clause in Jan in mind, or because Leuth was so worried about when he came up against us in the league and wrote to the club to insist it was only a loan.
Gilbey to Lincoln on loan with a view to permanent. Apparently pretty much a done deal
He is in the last year of his contract so struggling to see how it’s a loan with a view to perm? Surely just a loan and they will then sign him on a free when his contract expires ( if they still want him)
I think you would need to see the contract.
Maybe they have the option to buy in January for instance or an additional payment due if they do sign him. Is there something in there that agrees we will not recall in January and sell him to someone else?
A football site was suggesting Morgan Fox at 28 could be a good signing and could cover at CH and LB. I am not suggesting we should, just taking the pin out and lobbing it in.
A football site was suggesting Morgan Fox at 28 could be a good signing and could cover at CH and LB. I am not suggesting we should, just taking the pin out and lobbing it in.
The same Morgan Fox who is entering his 10th season of Championship football? Yep, I think he’d be alright. Not convinced he’s quite as good on the ball as a Garner defender might be expected to be but he’d definitely be good enough overall to be part of the squad
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We basically signed their replacements before preseason started.
I'm not sure he'll be going before the January window myself. Wollacott likely to be away for the World Cup as well as other international duties over time... is Harness ready to step up?
If he leaves I would only wish him goodluck and hope he proves a success for someone else
The English language is a wonderful thing. Please type what you mean to say otherwise you could be sending out a very different message.
I am not suggesting we should, just taking the pin out and lobbing it in.