Garner has said that he would rather wait for the right players than rush some on now. Sounds like we might have to wait until after the Spain trip. BTW, I know nothing
I wouldn’t have thought we are in an embargo whilst in Spain?
Just an observation but found the language on the two tweets announcing the 2 signings interesting. O’Connell was described as a ball playing CB and Mandela an attacking full back. I’m not arguing these aren’t qualities they possess, just funny how football’s changed and languages, optics and messaging is used. When you think about it, is it because the club are trying to put a message across as to the style and brand TS keeps sharing in interviews, is it to reassure us as fans we’re getting exciting players, or is it just the done thing in football now?
Indeed it is the way things are done in such announcements, emphasise the key attributes that show a player is different/better than what went before.
When Garner is sacked because we let in 4 goals a game, and we being in Tony Pulis to sort out the defence, the tweets about our defensive signings will say things like
"He's a no nonsense defender, he loves keeping the ball out of the net and is happy to kick it into row Z if necessary"
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Just an observation but found the language on the two tweets announcing the 2 signings interesting. O’Connell was described as a ball playing CB and Mandela an attacking full back. I’m not arguing these aren’t qualities they possess, just funny how football’s changed and languages, optics and messaging is used. When you think about it, is it because the club are trying to put a message across as to the style and brand TS keeps sharing in interviews, is it to reassure us as fans we’re getting exciting players, or is it just the done thing in football now?
I know where you are coming from cabbs however the clips clearly show O'Connell can play as well as hoof it. Early doors but he looks more skillful than some of our midfield players.
Yes, as I say, not questioning their respective abilities, more an observation. Funny how football has changed with the way things are put across now. Back when I was a nipper it was club call and I was eagerly awaiting a snippet in the Mercury about Bradley Allen
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Thanks for the info, do we know if the games will be on stream or if the kit will actually be officially revealed by then?
The Sandinistas are out in force and sifting through some old perceived slights to throw into a thread, that had just got interesting with the 2 new signings. How the 20 ton irony bucket isn’t hitting them between the eyes when they moan about moaning about a done to death recruitment topic is beyond me.
Only hoping there’s some more quality signings coming in soon and as long as they are taking the team forward that’s a good start.
‘Sandinistas’ what is that all about?
Why are people so eager to create division amongst our fanbase. We all want the same thing dont we?
People who have seen slights or complaints as anti Sandgaard and then rerunning the moaning about the moaning about the recruitment system. You lot are more than capable of talking shite, picking up people and creating divisions without my help ffs. Get over yourself
I guess the people claiming that Ben Garner won’t be in charge of signings can put that one to bed now
He's not in charge, likewise, he isn't not in charge. He is part of a recruitment team and has the right to veto or recommend targets as Steve Gallen has confirmed.
It really doesn't have to be one or the other where Ben Garner and signings is concerned.
He has the final say on signings, as Gallen stated in his interview saying it would be ridiculous if he didn’t.
This is now evident in him signing a centre back he admired from when he played against and a player from the team he just left, I’d say it’s unlikely we sign either of these if Garner isn’t here.
In a nutshell, people can stop pretending Sandgaard is an evil ruler who won’t let managers sign players now and just get behind the team
That doesn't explain how players like Schwartz or Innis arrived at CAFC. It could be a mystery in part. TS does have Palace connections I heard.
Gallen is friends with Dougie Freedman sporting director at Palace.
Add that to Steve Parish is one of the people Thomas does takes advice from.
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Sounds like we should expect more players in this week. I could used to this one a day.
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Really good to hear this. The man cares, and he's desperate to do well, I really hope he does.
Good signing for Sheff Wed today, getting Will Vaulks from Cardiff. Very good player at this level.
Saw this and it did feel like a bit of a reality check after getting excited the last 2 days. I like our 2 signings so far but just a reminder this league is going to be difficult to even get top 6 in. Hopefully we have signings of this calibre on the way as well as picking the best of lower league 1/league 2 talent
I reckon we will end up with Joe Wollacott (Swindon’s goalie) and that will be some coup.
Ghanas number 1, made team of the season, contract is up in the summer and I imagine would be the kind of keeper Garner wants.
McG is absolutely turd with his feet and AMB is up in the air due to his injury record imo, I reckon we will have a new #1 next season.
Don't disagree but I'd imagine we'll have to flow one first. I'd probably try get rid of McG as AMB is younger but not sure anyone will want him. Back to Pompey maybe?
No doubt we will, I’d also prefer that but as you said who is gonna want him. A goalie who can play a bit and isn’t a panicker will be really important in this team now and I just don’t see McG fitting in. Pompey have lost their loaned goalie so could be a shout. I would certainly prefer a keeper who suits Garners style of play either way.
We obviously don’t wanna sign every Swindon player as people have jested, but Wollacott, Egbo, McKirdy, Payne and Reed would all be very good additions to the squad. That solves the keeper issue, right back issue, healthy completion in midfield and a forward that has been successful under our manager and can play across that front 3 in the famous ‘high press’
very excited to see what kind of signings we make and how this Charlton team will look
Yeah I'd certainly be happy with Wollacott if we can offload a keeper and Payne. Don't know much about Egbo, I know he played well for them but what was it, 10 games? Kelser might be a better bet at right-back and has had a decent few months in League 1 with MK.
Think the problem we've got in CM if we have Dobson, Fraser, JFC, Gilbey, Clare and Morgan. Again think we're going to need an outgoing or two.
McKirdy is an interesting one and I will of course trust Garner on it. Just a bit concerned it was a one off, but if he does join I hope it's because he suited Garner's style and he can pick off where he ended at Swindon.
I too am excited, I just hope we have enough budget to get the players needed.
Kelser would be on loan is the only issue and I’m never a fan of loan defenders, feel like that’s an area we need to get right and build on, always feel midfielders or forwards on loan are easier to replace, of course just my opinion.
I reckon midfield will be fine if we bring in two more, long old season and we now know we will be playing a midfield 3. Going to need 6 centre mids I would say, we have 5 but one is absolutely pants.
I think McKirdy would hit the ground running with us but again just a hunch.
Egbo stats below, interesting career so far. He notched up 3 assists in 10 games for Swindon from what I can see online. If you watch him in those games as well he travels with the ball so well, if he can defend he’s a no brainier
Egbo played in the Dartford academy - he actually packed football in for a while to play footsall but thats a bit irrelevant - i could see him definitely being somebody who we may be interested in and vice versa
Not claiming any ITK status on us signing Egbo but for those saying it came out of the blue, he was on a few radar’s and the one time I’ve seen him play he was motm by a country mile
Good signing for Sheff Wed today, getting Will Vaulks from Cardiff. Very good player at this level.
Saw this and it did feel like a bit of a reality check after getting excited the last 2 days. I like our 2 signings so far but just a reminder this league is going to be difficult to even get top 6 in. Hopefully we have signings of this calibre on the way as well as picking the best of lower league 1/league 2 talent
I think a bit of reality has hit home, both at the club and as a fan base.
Denying there were major fuck ups over the last 18 months does no one any good.
You don't need to be captain hindsight to know a center half and a more suitable striker in January 21 would have probably got us in the play offs. Nor that the two windows since then have taken us backwards.
Now let's take that on the chin, it could have been much worse, it nearly was.
If lessons have been learnt (it's still if imo) and we now do it right, it may well take 18 months. I might take longer. But we have appointed an excellent manager (you could argue that his 3 predecessors were as well) and the early signs are we are giving him the tools to do his job. That's a change. The rhetoric has changed.
Blind faith? No. Evidence based assessment. So far so good, but there is a hell of a lot of work to do, Thomas's money to spend, and my life to waste.
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Thanks for the info, do we know if the games will be on stream or if the kit will actually be officially revealed by then?
No stream, completely behind closed doors. Not sure on kit reveal, new sponsor so a lot of logistics to sort out.
These two new lads feel like proper Charlton signings.I will try and save judgement until the end of the window but things seem to be coming together with the new gaffer and on the recruitment front. Early days but starting to feel a little more optimistic for the new season!
As other have said, will be nice to get a LB in soon for the defensive unit to start to gel. Desperately need a pacy striker too.
Sounds as if Thomas is staying put while players go to Spain as plenty going on, has extended his stay by 10 days.We're due to play a couple of matches behind closed doors in Spain, in the new kit.
Thanks for the info, do we know if the games will be on stream or if the kit will actually be officially revealed by then?
No stream, completely behind closed doors.
I understand Thomas's half time guitar solo is available on Alan Nixon's patron for a reasonable £19.99 a month 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Alternatively send me £20 a month and I won't share Nixon's news
Good signing for Sheff Wed today, getting Will Vaulks from Cardiff. Very good player at this level.
Saw this and it did feel like a bit of a reality check after getting excited the last 2 days. I like our 2 signings so far but just a reminder this league is going to be difficult to even get top 6 in. Hopefully we have signings of this calibre on the way as well as picking the best of lower league 1/league 2 talent
I think a bit of reality has hit home, both at the club and as a fan base.
Denying there were major fuck ups over the last 18 months does no one any good.
You don't need to be captain hindsight to know a center half and a more suitable striker in January 21 would have probably got us in the play offs. Nor that the two windows since then have taken us backwards.
Now let's take that on the chin, it could have been much worse, it nearly was.
If lessons have been learnt (it's still if imo) and we now do it right, it may well take 18 months. I might take longer. But we have appointed an excellent manager (you could argue that his 3 predecessors were as well) and the early signs are we are giving him the tools to do his job. That's a change. The rhetoric has changed.
Blind faith? No. Evidence based assessment. So far so good, but there is a hell of a lot of work to do, Thomas's money to spend, and my life to waste.
Evidence based assessment?
We have appointed a League 2 manager. So far, we have signed two League 2 players ... one of which finished in 18th place.
It may work out. It may not. But it's hardly a proven recipe for delivering a Championship-ready (not Premier League-ready) team.
I remain as optimistic as the next fan ... but don't kid yourself. It's optimism, not evidence-based.
Good signing for Sheff Wed today, getting Will Vaulks from Cardiff. Very good player at this level.
Saw this and it did feel like a bit of a reality check after getting excited the last 2 days. I like our 2 signings so far but just a reminder this league is going to be difficult to even get top 6 in. Hopefully we have signings of this calibre on the way as well as picking the best of lower league 1/league 2 talent
I think a bit of reality has hit home, both at the club and as a fan base.
Denying there were major fuck ups over the last 18 months does no one any good.
You don't need to be captain hindsight to know a center half and a more suitable striker in January 21 would have probably got us in the play offs. Nor that the two windows since then have taken us backwards.
Now let's take that on the chin, it could have been much worse, it nearly was.
If lessons have been learnt (it's still if imo) and we now do it right, it may well take 18 months. I might take longer. But we have appointed an excellent manager (you could argue that his 3 predecessors were as well) and the early signs are we are giving him the tools to do his job. That's a change. The rhetoric has changed.
Blind faith? No. Evidence based assessment. So far so good, but there is a hell of a lot of work to do, Thomas's money to spend, and my life to waste.
Evidence based assessment?
We have appointed a League 2 manager. So far, we have signed two League 2 players ... one of which finished in 18th place.
It may work out. It may not. But it's hardly a proven recipe for delivering a Championship-ready (not Premier League-ready) team.
I remain as optimistic as the next fan ... but don't kid yourself. It's optimism, not evidence-based.
Did you miss the next line, that there is a hell of a lot to do?
Garner is a fantastic coach, if you look I mentioned him when it was the "who would you like next" stage of the thread.
Evidence based, yes one is obviously a player the manager knows and wants, that hasn't been the case for a while. The other is a player the manager would have watched live at least twice last season, plus the half dozen games he watched prepping for those games.
Is it perfect? Of course its not. Maybe not giant strides, they could come later and will be judged accordingly, but certainly baby steps.
Good signing for Sheff Wed today, getting Will Vaulks from Cardiff. Very good player at this level.
Saw this and it did feel like a bit of a reality check after getting excited the last 2 days. I like our 2 signings so far but just a reminder this league is going to be difficult to even get top 6 in. Hopefully we have signings of this calibre on the way as well as picking the best of lower league 1/league 2 talent
I think a bit of reality has hit home, both at the club and as a fan base.
Denying there were major fuck ups over the last 18 months does no one any good.
You don't need to be captain hindsight to know a center half and a more suitable striker in January 21 would have probably got us in the play offs. Nor that the two windows since then have taken us backwards.
Now let's take that on the chin, it could have been much worse, it nearly was.
If lessons have been learnt (it's still if imo) and we now do it right, it may well take 18 months. I might take longer. But we have appointed an excellent manager (you could argue that his 3 predecessors were as well) and the early signs are we are giving him the tools to do his job. That's a change. The rhetoric has changed.
Blind faith? No. Evidence based assessment. So far so good, but there is a hell of a lot of work to do, Thomas's money to spend, and my life to waste.
Evidence based assessment?
We have appointed a League 2 manager. So far, we have signed two League 2 players ... one of which finished in 18th place.
It may work out. It may not. But it's hardly a proven recipe for delivering a Championship-ready (not Premier League-ready) team.
I remain as optimistic as the next fan ... but don't kid yourself. It's optimism, not evidence-based.
Did you miss the next line, that there is a hell of a lot to do?
Garner is a fantastic coach, if you look I mentioned him when it was the "who would you like next" stage of the thread.
Evidence based, yes one is obviously a player the manager knows and wants, that hasn't been the case for a while. The other is a player the manager would have watched live at least twice last season, plus the half dozen games he watched prepping for those games.
Is it perfect? Of course its not. Maybe not giant strides, they could come later and will be judged accordingly, but certainly baby steps.
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When Garner is sacked because we let in 4 goals a game, and we being in Tony Pulis to sort out the defence, the tweets about our defensive signings will say things like
"He's a no nonsense defender, he loves keeping the ball out of the net and is happy to kick it into row Z if necessary"
By definition, Vaulks is on the way down. Plus, he's only a Welsh international ... like Gareth Bale, Chris Gunter and Dylan Levitt.
Trust me, this will blow up in their smug Hillsborough faces.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61874931
League 2 'Team of the Year' player.
Sure, he's just signed for Walsall, but we need to aim high.
The transfer market in the EFL has really started coming to life this week
Denying there were major fuck ups over the last 18 months does no one any good.
You don't need to be captain hindsight to know a center half and a more suitable striker in January 21 would have probably got us in the play offs. Nor that the two windows since then have taken us backwards.
Now let's take that on the chin, it could have been much worse, it nearly was.
If lessons have been learnt (it's still if imo) and we now do it right, it may well take 18 months. I might take longer. But we have appointed an excellent manager (you could argue that his 3 predecessors were as well) and the early signs are we are giving him the tools to do his job. That's a change. The rhetoric has changed.
Blind faith? No. Evidence based assessment. So far so good, but there is a hell of a lot of work to do, Thomas's money to spend, and my life to waste.
As other have said, will be nice to get a LB in soon for the defensive unit to start to gel. Desperately need a pacy striker too.
HMS Scrape into the Playoffs could be on!
Alternatively send me £20 a month and I won't share Nixon's news
We have appointed a League 2 manager. So far, we have signed two League 2 players ... one of which finished in 18th place.
It may work out. It may not. But it's hardly a proven recipe for delivering a Championship-ready (not Premier League-ready) team.
I remain as optimistic as the next fan ... but don't kid yourself. It's optimism, not evidence-based.
Garner is a fantastic coach, if you look I mentioned him when it was the "who would you like next" stage of the thread.
Evidence based, yes one is obviously a player the manager knows and wants, that hasn't been the case for a while. The other is a player the manager would have watched live at least twice last season, plus the half dozen games he watched prepping for those games.
Is it perfect? Of course its not. Maybe not giant strides, they could come later and will be judged accordingly, but certainly baby steps.