Last night reminded me of one of those (All of ours) Cup games against a higher team, where we huff and puff, but they always seem to have enough, a higher gear to take them through. All whilst we create very little.
I fully accept that our squad is light, but during years when we've put a run together, goals are coming from all over the pitch, particularly midfield. Don't know the stats, but I wonder what the percentage of goals is from midfield this season compared to a promotion season.
Also, if Aneke is out injured again for a long period, then the levels of incompetence in re-signing him are through the roof. 3 and a half year deal as well. We’ll get about a year’s football out of those 3 and a half. The Aneke equation. One month’s football for every 3 he’s contracted.
If anyone wants an example why our recruitment is absolutely clueless.... this.
Incredible we resigned him. And on three-and-a-half years!!!
The 3.5 years is even more ridiculous if we have serious ambitions of promotion. Aneke is a L1 standard footballer.
If you can remember the old days. Some smart arse would break the silence, shouting. MAK-A-SON Scuse the spelling-Or even WAKEY WAKEY,e la Billy Cotton.And certinly just as apt today. as in those Div 2 days
Lacking strikers and key players might explain the bad results, but not the constant individual bad performances that so many put in week in, week out imo. Also shouldn't explain the lack of cohesion that seems to be there every game.
Not too much more to say on the match that hasn’t already been said, these performances are absolutely pathetic.
One thing that struck me whilst I was witnessing the debacle was how odd it must be being a MK Dons fan. I don’t hate them, in fact I probably prefer them to AFC Wimbledon these days, but supporting a team that was just invented out of thin air a couple of decades ago, with no history or culture to use as reference points must feel very hollow. I wonder what they thought when they looked at their ticket last night and it read “Jimmy Seed Stand” or they looked to their right and saw the name ontop of the Alan Curbishley stand.
The 8k crowd is an eye opener and bizarrely I think it’s a positive, to show TS that this is not being tolerated next season, the summer has to be a good one or this is where it leads, you getting hit in the pocket.
Not too much more to say on the match that hasn’t already been said, these performances are absolutely pathetic.
One thing that struck me whilst I was witnessing the debacle was how odd it must be being a MK Dons fan. I don’t hate them, in fact I probably prefer them to AFC Wimbledon these days, but supporting a team that was just invented out of thin air a couple of decades ago, with no history or culture to use as reference points must feel very hollow. I wonder what they thought when they looked at their ticket last night and it read “Jimmy Seed Stand” or they looked to their right and saw the name ontop of the Alan Curbishley stand.
Tbf MK is supposedly the original Wimbledon and AFC were the ones created later
Awful display from a team that will struggle to stay up. There were times in the second half we should of brought another ball on just for us. In the 40 odd year, I've been supporting, there must have been some really bad performances but last night must be up there with the worse of them. Totally disjointed and clueless. Franchise FC looked much the better side. Hopefully we will stay up and draw a line under this embarrassment of a season.
Awful display from a team that will struggle to stay up. There were times in the second half we should of brought another ball on just for us. In the 40 odd year, I've been supporting, there must have been some really bad performances but last night must be up there with the worse of them. Totally disjointed and clueless. Franchise FC looked much the better side. Hopefully we will stay up and draw a line under this embarrassment of a season.
The most depressing thing last night was the atmosphere or lack of it. As soon as we went behind nobody expected us to fight...
I hate rubbishing any player, but what little i have seen in Charlton T V International, Mathews seems way off the mark as a defender. So naive not knowing that the goal scorer was behind him. When the killer pass came in, he had no pace to take him on. For the M K D first goal. Not only this game, but similar naivety in the last 3 matches Why does J J keep playing him. Perhaps he's O K but against quality teams.-A great block by Morgan to stop a cert goal
Can I ask why we give a shit about attendance figures ?
I would imagine the real issue is more about whats on the pitch than who isnt....
A full stadium would suggest fans are happy with what's on the pitch.
Pretty obvious but the point is that there is too much about over inflated figures etc.
Whats the point?
It’s a pretty useful indication of satisfaction (or not) amongst the fan base. Social media, forums etc can distort your perception of how people are feeling but attendance numbers don’t lie.
Additionally, as the club have been publishing wildly misleading attendance figures recently it’s not surprising that they’ve become a topic of discussion.
To have some perspective, it was always going to be a tall order given the injuries and the level of opposition. However, even with 2 of the 3 forwards at our disposal, I have to say, it’s not a game we’re winning. I see comments like ‘Jackson has never lost when he’s started Aneke & Stockley, or Washington & Stockley’. It’s the same desperate crap we used to come out with last season about getting Inniss and Famewo back.
What is it going to take for the ‘it’ll be alright when X is back’ or ‘we’re just a few players short of promotion’ brigade to realise we’re f***** with this squad. So many players are just crap. Finally good to see so many highlight how crap Gilbey is. Got a massively unwarranted fanbase off the back of a few goals last season and that run under Adkins, but he’s a weak and tepid footballer with no end product. I sometimes wonder if I just don’t understand football when I see people saying Morgan will come good, or Gilbey just needs better around him.
We’re a squad of largely crap players who aren’t showing any fight. Leko. Everything about him says, I’ll go on to play club football in Malta. This is just going to turn into an incoherent ramble of anger, with very little constructive to say, so I’ll close it here. Just an absolute shower of cabbages.
To have some perspective, it was always going to be a tall order given the injuries and the level of opposition. However, even with 2 of the 3 forwards at our disposal, I have to say, it’s not a game we’re winning. I see comments like ‘Jackson has never lost when he’s started Aneke & Stockley, or Washington & Stockley’. It’s the same desperate crap we used to come out with last season about getting Inniss and Famewo back.
What is it going to take for the ‘it’ll be alright when X is back’ or ‘we’re just a few players short of promotion’ brigade to realise we’re f***** with this squad. So many players are just crap. Finally good to see so many highlight how crap Gilbey is. Got a massively unwarranted fanbase off the back of a few goals last season and that run under Adkins, but he’s a weak and tepid footballer with no end product. I sometimes wonder if I just don’t understand football when I see people saying Morgan will come good, or Gilbey just needs better around him.
We’re a squad of largely crap players who aren’t showing any fight. Leko. Everything about him says, I’ll go on to play club football in Malta. This is just going to turn into an incoherent ramble of anger, with very little constructive to say, so I’ll close it here. Just an absolute shower of cabbages.
Go get the guitar.
We all have different perspectives, I think Gilbey could play better with better around him but I think Morgan is unlikely to come good. At least as good as we need him to be. The lad is giving his all to be fair.
I might be right, I might be wrong. Ultimately, we need Jacko to be right in his judgements, whatever they are.
I was probably a bit harsh in my wording and it was your comment re: having Stockley and Aneke that I was referring to. Apologies, never meant to dig you out. You’re right, it’s all about perspectives and mine are no more valid than yours. I think I’m just fed up with all things Charlton at the moment, and seeing comments that put a positive slant on it when you’re just not in that way of thinking set me off. As ValleyGary said, it’s not about this turning into us digging one another out. That’s the last thing it should be.
I’ll try and not let it fire me up as much come Saturday (I hope). Still woken up this morning though wanting them all out the club :-)
I think I've seen him play more games at the Valley than half the Charlton team. He even had time tonight to coach young Burstow in how to manage his injury.
With such a poor Charlton performance in front of us, it hurts to say it but that little cameo with Burstow in front of the East Stand was my moment of the match. He’s been a pain in the neck to us over the years but respect for his stamina, his professionalism and loyalty … even if has been to MK Dons
I don't understand why Elliott Lee is getting criticism on here. He was one of our better players when he came on; showing for the ball, turning his defender, creating pressure and opportunities. Seems to be a bit of a habit to dig out the same players every match regardless of the reality of what happened.
Zero end product. He's Jonny Williams with hair
Not tonight. He did more than anyone else in a Charlton shirt, attack wise. That's my point - people criticise him out of habit rather than taking each performance on it's merits.
To be fair, the adulation this clown got from the start rather than taking each performance on its own merits was also embarrassing.
Fair point. He benefitted from the fond memories we have of his dad.
To have some perspective, it was always going to be a tall order given the injuries and the level of opposition. However, even with 2 of the 3 forwards at our disposal, I have to say, it’s not a game we’re winning. I see comments like ‘Jackson has never lost when he’s started Aneke & Stockley, or Washington & Stockley’. It’s the same desperate crap we used to come out with last season about getting Inniss and Famewo back.
What is it going to take for the ‘it’ll be alright when X is back’ or ‘we’re just a few players short of promotion’ brigade to realise we’re f***** with this squad. So many players are just crap. Finally good to see so many highlight how crap Gilbey is. Got a massively unwarranted fanbase off the back of a few goals last season and that run under Adkins, but he’s a weak and tepid footballer with no end product. I sometimes wonder if I just don’t understand football when I see people saying Morgan will come good, or Gilbey just needs better around him.
We’re a squad of largely crap players who aren’t showing any fight. Leko. Everything about him says, I’ll go on to play club football in Malta. This is just going to turn into an incoherent ramble of anger, with very little constructive to say, so I’ll close it here. Just an absolute shower of cabbages.
Go get the guitar.
You've been so grumpy since Katrien dumped you 😉
I know. I need to get a check of myself. My tolerance levels are so low. I need to take a bit of a breather I think. I now found myself getting wound up by comments that don’t align with mine, which isn’t right. You made a perfectly valid comment about Lee. I was like, how can he be defended. But it’s just opinions and as I said above, no one opinion is better than the other.
Aiming to be a little bit more measured come Saturday 🤝
Looks like Jackson is like Maggie Thatch.....not for turning.
As for preparing for the match & knowing MK like to play balls through - this happens in matches & you are never going to stop a team from creating chances. You just have to be able to do the same. Sadly we dont have the players to create many chances & last night Matthews (I think) put in the best cross that no one got a touch to (1st half) and Morgan 2nd half (when Burstow missed from 3 yards). 2 chances in 90 mins isn't going to win you games.
Not too much more to say on the match that hasn’t already been said, these performances are absolutely pathetic.
One thing that struck me whilst I was witnessing the debacle was how odd it must be being a MK Dons fan. I don’t hate them, in fact I probably prefer them to AFC Wimbledon these days, but supporting a team that was just invented out of thin air a couple of decades ago, with no history or culture to use as reference points must feel very hollow. I wonder what they thought when they looked at their ticket last night and it read “Jimmy Seed Stand” or they looked to their right and saw the name ontop of the Alan Curbishley stand.
Tbf MK is supposedly the original Wimbledon and AFC were the ones created later
Totally agree, although I feel @se9addick was alluding to the fact that MK dont have a history as they have only been MK for 20 years & so cant really name one of their stands after Wally Downs or Vinny Jones !
I said it in the match thread, but Curbs and Brownie also mentioned it so I'll mention it again.
When as defenders you're being told to use Albie Morgan as an example of how to get back and get your bodies in front of shots, you have to know you're not doing your job well enough. It's Albie's weakest part of his game and you're being asked to at least replicate that!
There really is a load of old bollocks being spoken here. Does anybody really think that these players are not trying,they are playing for their livelyhoods.and contracts,it wont be much fun being out of work at their age. Every attacking option we have is gone,no strikers ,CBT and Fraser not available,will someone please explain what JJ can actually do. Dont say defend better if the ball continually comes back,pressure will always tell in the end. When our midfield do get on the ball,just what options do they have,no one up front to aim at,no one to hold the ball up and allow them to get forward. Who do we cross to,plenty of moans about not crossing the ball,but who is there that is going to get on the end,Morgan takes a good corner,and has had some success,now nothing,every corner easily cleared. If and when we get Stockley and his mates back,this will be a different side. Please feel fit to take the piss out of my comments as you see fit,but I am convinced this will all change when we have some of our attacking options back.
I didn’t go last night, I didn’t watch on a stream and I didn’t follow on here. I went out about 5 had a few beers came home about 10, forgot we were playing and only remembered to check the result this morning.
This is the only time in the last 59 years iv ever forgotten we were playing and did not know the result on the day of the game.
The club needs to worry ! As I’m sure I’m not alone in the level of dis engagement that I’m starting to feel.
One other thing about MKD,first side I have seen this year that did not go rolling all over the floor when in front,as for Lewington,what a credit to his proffession to be able to dominate a game like that at his age.
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Badly.
Again.
Matthews, why?
I fully accept that our squad is light, but during years when we've put a run together, goals are coming from all over the pitch, particularly midfield. Don't know the stats, but I wonder what the percentage of goals is from midfield this season compared to a promotion season.
Sitting at the airport before going to Prague and thinking what could the team possibly be on Saturday?!
It’s awful but the best I can come up with is…
MacGillivray
Jaiyesimi Inniss Lavelle Famewo Purrington
Dobson
Gilbey John Morgan
Lee
5-4-1 or a 5-5-0 with Lee as a false 9.
Leave no spaces in the middle. If they want the ball out wide, let them and defend between the width of the box and the posts.
Flood the midfield, show some fight and spirit and hope that we get a set piece that one of the centre backs can get on the end of.
One thing that struck me whilst I was witnessing the debacle was how odd it must be being a MK Dons fan. I don’t hate them, in fact I probably prefer them to AFC Wimbledon these days, but supporting a team that was just invented out of thin air a couple of decades ago, with no history or culture to use as reference points must feel very hollow. I wonder what they thought when they looked at their ticket last night and it read “Jimmy Seed Stand” or they looked to their right and saw the name ontop of the Alan Curbishley stand.
I would imagine the real issue is more about whats on the pitch than who isnt....
There were times in the second half we should of brought another ball on just for us.
In the 40 odd year, I've been supporting, there must have been some really bad performances but last night must be up there with the worse of them.
Totally disjointed and clueless. Franchise FC looked much the better side.
Hopefully we will stay up and draw a line under this embarrassment of a season.
Whats the point?
Additionally, as the club have been publishing wildly misleading attendance figures recently it’s not surprising that they’ve become a topic of discussion.
I’ll try and not let it fire me up as much come Saturday (I hope). Still woken up this morning though wanting them all out the club :-)
As for preparing for the match & knowing MK like to play balls through - this happens in matches & you are never going to stop a team from creating chances. You just have to be able to do the same. Sadly we dont have the players to create many chances & last night Matthews (I think) put in the best cross that no one got a touch to (1st half) and Morgan 2nd half (when Burstow missed from 3 yards). 2 chances in 90 mins isn't going to win you games.
When as defenders you're being told to use Albie Morgan as an example of how to get back and get your bodies in front of shots, you have to know you're not doing your job well enough. It's Albie's weakest part of his game and you're being asked to at least replicate that!
Does anybody really think that these players are not trying,they are playing for their livelyhoods.and contracts,it wont be much fun being out of work at their age.
Every attacking option we have is gone,no strikers ,CBT and Fraser not available,will someone please explain what JJ can actually do.
Dont say defend better if the ball continually comes back,pressure will always tell in the end.
When our midfield do get on the ball,just what options do they have,no one up front to aim at,no one to hold the ball up and allow them to get forward.
Who do we cross to,plenty of moans about not crossing the ball,but who is there that is going to get on the end,Morgan takes a good corner,and has had some success,now nothing,every corner easily cleared.
If and when we get Stockley and his mates back,this will be a different side.
Please feel fit to take the piss out of my comments as you see fit,but I am convinced this will all change when we have some of our attacking options back.
This is the only time in the last 59 years iv ever forgotten we were playing and did not know the result on the day of the game.