Big changes to the loan market

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FIFA announce new plans to limit clubs to just six loan exits each season

Football's world governing body effectively wants to stop clubs from stockpiling young players and then loaning them out.

FIFA will implement the rules on an international level to crackdown on foreign deals but said: "At domestic level, FIFA’s member associations will be granted a period of three years to implement rules for a loan system that is in line with the principles established at international level."

The new rules are set to come in on July 1, 2022, if they get approval and there will be a transitional period to allow clubs to adjust to the guidelines.

But the maximum of six players loaned out will be implemented by 2024 and Premier League clubs will have to fall into line on an international and domestic level.

The new rules:

A limitation on the number of loans per season between the same clubs: at any given time during a season, a club may only have a maximum of three professionals loaned out to a single club and a maximum of three professionals loaned in from a single club

A limitation on a club’s total number of loans per season. To ensure that this is implemented smoothly, there will be a transitional period as follows:

- From 1 July 2022 to 30 June 2023, a club may have a maximum of eight professionals loaned out and eight loaned in at any given time during a season.

- From 1 July 2023 to 30 June 2024, the same configuration applies but with a maximum of seven professionals.

- Finally, from 1 July 2024, the same configuration will apply but limited to a maximum of six professionals.

*Players aged 21 and younger and club-trained players will be exempt from these limitations.

JaShea99

Unlucky Chelsea.

paulbaconsarnie

I’ve been banging on for ages that something like this needs to happen.

ForeverAddickted

So for example... Chelsea have eleven players out on loan who are currently over 21

They've 21-players out on loan in total.

Its a rule that is very much needed, but could have happened a lot sooner

AllHailTheHen

What does the "club trained" bit mean? Surely every player at a club is being trained by them!

killerandflash

A FIFA ruling that I agree with, wow. Worth noting this exemption though

*Players aged 21 and younger and club-trained players will be exempt from these limitations.

So Chelsea can continue to loan out as many U21s and home grown players (of whatever age) as they like

cafcdave123

killerandflash said:

A FIFA ruling that I agree with, wow. Worth noting this exemption though

*Players aged 21 and younger and club-trained players will be exempt from these limitations.

So Chelsea can continue to loan out as many U21s and home grown players (of whatever age) as they like

that's how I read it, clubs can continue to hoover up players from a young age and they will be considered home grown meaning they can be loaned out for their entire career without counting towards the 6.

Todds_right_hook

killerandflash said:

A FIFA ruling that I agree with, wow. Worth noting this exemption though

*Players aged 21 and younger and club-trained players will be exempt from these limitations.

So Chelsea can continue to loan out as many U21s and home grown players (of whatever age) as they like

That's my understanding. Using us as an example, albie Morgan wouldn't count towards the 6 (when aged 22) as he came through our academy. Kirk would count. Not sure about players like Davison who are over 21, played for the academy but didn't come through the academy. 

follett

"Football's world governing body effectively wants to stop clubs from stockpiling young players and then loaning them out"
Doesn't this do literally nothing to help this as they can stick them in the academy and they're then exempt from this rule

Covered End

ForeverAddickted said:

So for example... Chelsea have eleven players out on loan who are currently over 21

They've 21-players out on loan in total.

Its a rule that is very much needed, but could have happened a lot sooner

So next season, like for like Chelsea would only have 18 out on loan?
Two years later they would only have 16 out on loan? 

Covered End

Seems almost pointless.

AllHailTheHen

Chelsea and Man City will just find ways around it and continue with their player farms. They'll probably just poach more youngsters 

ForeverAddickted

AllHailTheHen said:

Chelsea and Man City will just find ways around it and continue with their player farms. They'll probably just poach more youngsters 

Easy way around it would be to "sell" Danny Drinkwater to Reading for £1m

They can then buy him back for £500k in the summer by inserting a buy back clause

Garrymanilow

Is this good, or will clubs like Chelsea just still buy the best young players going, loan out the six they feel will benefit most from the playing time and hold on to the rest and hope they improve with youth football? It costs a lot less to buy up all the young talent than to buy one good player years later when they show at a higher level. This won't disincentivise Chelsea, it'll just make it harder for young players to get football time.

Cafc43v3r

Couldn't Chelsea just give the players to say Wimbledon and buy them back for 1p in the summer? 

RodneyCharltonTrotta

AllHailTheHen said:

What does the "club trained" bit mean? Surely every player at a club is being trained by them!

Not at Charlton judging by recent performances.

"See ya Saturday lads....and don't forget your boots!"

Redrobo

AllHailTheHen said:

What does the "club trained" bit mean? Surely every player at a club is being trained by them!

It will stop clubs buying young players and loaning them straight back outside the six.

Chunes

Think we really need a change to the transfer window. It's ridiculous how the season can start and clubs in the EFL have barely got their squads together a month into it. Makes a mockery of the opening games. 

Athletico Charlton

Step in the right direction but far from perfect.

Athletico Charlton

Cafc43v3r said:

Couldn't Chelsea just give the players to say Wimbledon and buy them back for 1p in the summer? 

Not sure that would really work.  Buy selling they lose control. Said player may just go to Man UTD/Man City etc in the summer instead of agreeing to go back.  They would not make the buy back that robust (I would have thought) or it would be tantermount to third party ownership/control which is banned (but I may be wrong)

Callumcafc

Good start but more measures needed. Glad the problem has been identified.

sam3110

AllHailTheHen said:

Chelsea and Man City will just find ways around it and continue with their player farms. They'll probably just poach more youngsters 

Man City will have 6 players out on loan

As will New York City FC

And Melbourne City FC

And Montevideo City Torque FC

And Mumbai City FC

And Troyes

And Girona....

There's plenty of ways around it, and City have a large club network now, so very easy to circumvent using those clubs

paulbaconsarnie

ForeverAddickted said:

AllHailTheHen said:

Chelsea and Man City will just find ways around it and continue with their player farms. They'll probably just poach more youngsters 

Easy way around it would be to "sell" Danny Drinkwater to Reading for £1m

They can then buy him back for £500k in the summer by inserting a buy back clause

No doubt the clubs that currently loan dozens of players out will look for ways around it but this scenario could be resolved by having a clause where any club selling a player cannot hold that players registration again for x years.

Oggy Red

sam3110 said:

AllHailTheHen said:

Chelsea and Man City will just find ways around it and continue with their player farms. They'll probably just poach more youngsters 

Man City will have 6 players out on loan

As will New York City FC

And Melbourne City FC

And Montevideo City Torque FC

And Mumbai City FC

And Troyes

And Girona....

There's plenty of ways around it, and City have a large club network now, so very easy to circumvent using those clubs

If only we were still part of Roland's network. 

 

Garrymanilow

Rule changes like this will also see more people listening to the likes of Guardiola when he talks about wanting B teams. If clubs can't loan out their players they'll have less issue with his arguments as it will serve them better, and then we're all in trouble

DOUCHER

probably just invent another shit cup like the papa johns so they can practice against our first team instead 

Ross

Need another rule that if they’re over 21 and have been out on loan for at least 3 years and haven’t made a single first team appearance then they have to be sold.

Chunes

Is this not a byproduct of Ged's EPP plan? Top clubs were given the power to hoover up all the talent they want, and the FA allowed it because they wanted the top talent to receive top training. 

It doesn't quite make sense that they're now going to restrict their talent pools. 

Chris_from_Sidcup

Obviously a good idea in that it stops teams from keeping a ton of players, most of whom will never play for them but it won't help clubs further down the chain like us, who want to take one of their many players on loan.

We wouldn't be getting Castillo on loan for example, as he wouldn't be at Chelsea.

Chris_from_Sidcup

Athletico Charlton said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Couldn't Chelsea just give the players to say Wimbledon and buy them back for 1p in the summer? 

Not sure that would really work.  Buy selling they lose control. Said player may just go to Man UTD/Man City etc in the summer instead of agreeing to go back.  They would not make the buy back that robust (I would have thought) or it would be tantermount to third party ownership/control which is banned (but I may be wrong)

It would be agreed with the player and the club taking the player, and just written into the contract that Chelsea have first refusal.

jimmymelrose

Chunes said:

Think we really need a change to the transfer window. It's ridiculous how the season can start and clubs in the EFL have barely got their squads together a month into it. Makes a mockery of the opening games. 

Why not get rid of it?

What advantage outweighs the hassle it creates?