I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here
I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here
The academy costs about £2M a year to run so if we get a free of £3-400k for the best prospect in their year group each year it is a pointless investment. As I said, thankfully many of our kids have shown more loyalty so we can get better fees for them.
I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here
The academy costs about £2M a year to run so if we get a free of £3-400k for the best prospect in their year group each year it is a pointless investment. As I said, thankfully many of our kids have shown more loyalty so we can get better fees for them.
The Beadle family could, perhaps, argue that loyalty is a two way street. Equally, the likes of Pope, Elliott, AMB etc etc didn't make the first team 'til they were 22/23. Keepers don't. So should he stick around for 5 years on a fraction of the money to go out on loan to the same clubs we would have sent him to? There's no guarantee that he would progress to be worth the sort of money we might think he's worth - we got money for Burstow and as I said when some were bellyaching that it wasn't enough, I'm really not sure that we didn't do well out of that deal.
Perhaps, we should follow the Brentford model. But then some of us wouldn't get the satisfaction of knowing that my contribution to Valley Gold over the years has helped those players on their footballing journey. Be they Gomez, Konza, James or Harry Beadle. It's also not just the ones that we sell. It's the ones we let go on frees and the ones that stay with us too. Although if you are a Morgan or Henry there are plenty that would rather you were released.
Yes I really like that we have an academy. It's important for the "soul" of the club, and its place in the community.
However, I would be interested whether it's actually paid its way in recent years, if you exclude players who've joined us aged 16 or over such as Pope, Lookman, Aribo, Ness, Leaburn etc
Yes I really like that we have an academy. It's important for the "soul" of the club, and its place in the community.
However, I would be interested whether it's actually paid its way in recent years, if you exclude players who've joined us aged 16 or over such as Pope, Lookman, Aribo, Ness, Leaburn etc
And effectively we have done to many of those clubs, at a lower level than us, the very thing that we don't like happening to us. The difference is that the compensation that they receive is non existent.
We would also get a fee whenever one of our graduates transfers provided they were with us beyond their 12th birthday. Solidarity payments. It’s a small percentage of the fee that goes to clubs that rained the player between 12-21 years of age
I hadn't realised until watching the EFL highlights tonight, that he went on loan to Crewe in January. He's made a few appearances now
Crewe's last five games. He's still only 18 and we certainly would not have been able to send him out on loan to a higher placed club than Crewe had he stayed with us. And he will be on a hell of a lot more money too. Meanwhile, his older brother, Harry has been at Colchester since we released him and played just the one FLT games in that 18 months but has been out on loan at Bishop's Stortford who are currently 2nd in the Isthmian League.
Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
But we still got a fee for Beadle so it wasn’t a pointless investment, even if we didn’t get as much as we would have if he’d stayed and developed here
The academy costs about £2M a year to run so if we get a free of £3-400k for the best prospect in their year group each year it is a pointless investment. As I said, thankfully many of our kids have shown more loyalty so we can get better fees for them.
The Beadle family could, perhaps, argue that loyalty is a two way street. Equally, the likes of Pope, Elliott, AMB etc etc didn't make the first team 'til they were 22/23. Keepers don't. So should he stick around for 5 years on a fraction of the money to go out on loan to the same clubs we would have sent him to? There's no guarantee that he would progress to be worth the sort of money we might think he's worth - we got money for Burstow and as I said when some were bellyaching that it wasn't enough, I'm really not sure that we didn't do well out of that deal.
Perhaps, we should follow the Brentford model. But then some of us wouldn't get the satisfaction of knowing that my contribution to Valley Gold over the years has helped those players on their footballing journey. Be they Gomez, Konza, James or Harry Beadle. It's also not just the ones that we sell. It's the ones we let go on frees and the ones that stay with us too. Although if you are a Morgan or Henry there are plenty that would rather you were released.
The Brentford model will need to change as the Premier League are making it mandatory for all clubs to have an Academy Structure in place. It will cost a lot more I expect for Brentford to set this up from scratch.
Yes I really like that we have an academy. It's important for the "soul" of the club, and its place in the community.
However, I would be interested whether it's actually paid its way in recent years, if you exclude players who've joined us aged 16 or over such as Pope, Lookman, Aribo, Ness, Leaburn etc
It's paid its way in that since Roland took over we've constantly relied on academy players to fill out our squad on matchdays whether they were ready or not. From Charles-Cook at right back and Grant played out on the wing far too early to Chin, Campbell, Mitchell and AMB getting thrown in this season, our squad is always so thin or poorly sourced that the academy is sometimes the only way we manage to make it through games at all. Gomez, Konsa, Morgan, Dijksteel, Fox, Lennon, Cousins, Harriott, Poyet, we've needed them all and they've been invaluable even if each player hasn't offset the cost of running the academy with a fee each year.
I know the economics are difficult - and the Premier League's Elite Player Performance Plan really skewered the lower league clubs - but the Academy is the one part of our club that has been consistently excellent over the last 20 years and its something I feel very proud of. Like many others, I enjoy watching the odd Under 18 game and it's great when one of these lads breaks through and really establishes themselves in the first team.
Great to see that James' brother, Harry, another Academy product of ours, has had his contract extended for another year at Colchester. Their respective careers might, at the moment, be going on different paths but they are still making a living in the game which is great to see.
Shame, my stepsons at the Brighton Academy, seen Beadle there a bit. A young keeper on loan is much more of a risk than a player, bit surprised Oxford have gone this route.
Believe he started in the weekend’s defeat too. Don’t believe he’s covered himself in glory in his first two games.
Made a howler on Saturday for Cambridge's first goal, so not a great start.
It was exactly the sort of error Pope was making when he first came into our side - a parry to a cross shot that went straight into the path of the striker. He couldn't do much about last night's five goals but he probably lacks the presence that an experienced keeper might have which is understandable given that he is only just 19. He wouldn't be in our side for that reason at that age and Chelsea sent him there to learn in the same way as we sent Pope to the Cambridge, Aldershot, York and Bury. The Oxford defending as a whole has been woeful though and that isn't going to help his confidence either.
Believe he started in the weekend’s defeat too. Don’t believe he’s covered himself in glory in his first two games.
Made a howler on Saturday for Cambridge's first goal, so not a great start.
It was exactly the sort of error Pope was making when he first came into our side - a parry to a cross shot that went straight into the path of the striker. He couldn't do much about last night's five goals but he probably lacks the presence that an experienced keeper might have which is understandable given that he is only just 19. He wouldn't be in our side for that reason at that age and Chelsea sent him there to learn in the same way as we sent Pope to the Cambridge, Aldershot, York and Bury. The Oxford defending as a whole has been woeful though and that isn't going to help his confidence either.
Pope's loans were all at a lower level than Oxford, looking at his career he worked up via non league, and only started playing in L2 aged 21. Bit of a risk by Oxford playing a19 year old in L1, there's no hiding place when you're a keeper.
It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley.
It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley.
It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley.
He went to Brighton.
Chelsea have bought Brighton for £800, and given them a 10 year contract.
It seems that moving to Chelsea is doing his prospects little harm. Called up for the England U21s and Oxford are top of League 1, having won their last 4 matches including beating us (no great achievement admittedly) but also away at Derby and Barnsley.
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Isn't the above basically an argument for closing our academy down? Decent players will get snapped up by the PL for more money and get moaned to teams we would loan them to anyway..? So what is the point of the continual investment in it. I am glad many of our academy lads have shown more loyalty and signed contracts with us personally.
Perhaps, we should follow the Brentford model. But then some of us wouldn't get the satisfaction of knowing that my contribution to Valley Gold over the years has helped those players on their footballing journey. Be they Gomez, Konza, James or Harry Beadle. It's also not just the ones that we sell. It's the ones we let go on frees and the ones that stay with us too. Although if you are a Morgan or Henry there are plenty that would rather you were released.
However, I would be interested whether it's actually paid its way in recent years, if you exclude players who've joined us aged 16 or over such as Pope, Lookman, Aribo, Ness, Leaburn etc
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/former-charlton-youngster-completes-league-one-season-long-loan/
A young keeper on loan is much more of a risk than a player, bit surprised Oxford have gone this route.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12936989/bristol-city-5-1-oxford-united-carabao-cup-highlights
Out on loan in League Two, or competing with Ashley for the start
Daily Draws - W/C 09.10.23
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-james-beadle-premier-league-birmingham-city-4449644