My daughter is the first year of Uni at Exeter and it happened to one of her friends on Friday. What the feck has happened to society to breed a generation where quite a few young lads are doing this?
You have your head in the sand if you don't think this has been going on for decades.
Is it any worse? I'm not sure but at least girls feel empowered enough this generation to feel able to speak out about the issues in clubs and pubs at uni and cities.
The spiking of young women by a needle injection (mainly in the back) is all over various internet forums but evidence is rather different. Latest I read was that only 1 incident had been actually reported to the police that could be corroborated. Not saying that it is not happening but I think at the moment its more of an urban myth than true.
Not saying for one moment that the practice of spiking drinks or of individuals is not abhorrent and any perpetrators found doing so should be jailed......but at the moment I get the feeling that it's being over hyped and adding fuel to the fire for whatever means.
There was an interview on the radio this morning with a young woman who had been "spiked".
Her immediate concern was the difficulty she was having, attempting to get medical help to see whether she had also been infected with hepatitis, HIV, etc., since it is unlikely the needle was sterile. She felt her concerns were not being taken seriously.
Spiking drinks may not be a new thing but the use of injections takes spiking to another level entirely. Like SHG, I have no words to describe how abhorrent this behaviour is. The punishment must fit the crime for anyone found guilty of this.
The spiking of young women by a needle injection (mainly in the back) is all over various internet forums but evidence is rather different. Latest I read was that only 1 incident had been actually reported to the police that could be corroborated. Not saying that it is not happening but I think at the moment its more of an urban myth than true.
Not saying for one moment that the practice of spiking drinks or of individuals is not abhorrent and any perpetrators found doing so should be jailed......but at the moment I get the feeling that it's being over hyped and adding fuel to the fire for whatever means.
My daughter's friend collapsed in the club, was taken by ambulance to a & e, had tests to determine HIV and Hepatitis infection over the weekend. The found a needle mark on the back of her thigh, the police were informed by the hospital and even the club, as it is very popular with students.
My son had his drink spiked a couple of months ago . He wasn’t drinking alcohol, he just had a soft drink in Wetherspoons with his friends . He left , in his car to go to a McDonald’s about 5 miles away and he collapsed and passed out when he got there . He was so lucky it didn’t happen when he was actually driving . I had to go and pick him up and he was totally out of it . I had to sit next to his bed all night because I was worried he would choke on his vomit . He didn’t remember a thing next day including driving .
Apparently a girl , the same night had the same thing happen to her in the same pub.
The pub wasn’t interested. This wasn’t in London it was in rural Bedfordshire.
What moron goes around spiking other people drinks ?
But as others have said it this generation's thing. Date rape drugs were the thing of the last 20 years, as a 47 year old bloke with a 21 and 18 year old daughters this is quite terrifying.
A Clockwork Orange was written (and filmed) for a reason, y'know. This isn't a new problem, and ultimately solving it would require changes to society many of you would decry as wokeism gone mad
Thats utterly disgusting and sadly an indictment of the type of world we now live in, especially in the west
By this I mean youngsters and I have a lot of them at work to deal with now who are both vicious and unpleasant to talk to yet have no qualms about breaking down in tears if asked to perform the simplest of tasks and taking a week off for depression because saying the words "mental health" essentially blacklists them from any HR involvement. All because I'd told them to complete their vehicle log sheets daily and not to book overtime when they were not working so the week off with depression is a tantrum knowing because I cant prove one way or the other if they are clinically depressed for the convenient self certification period or not. Not only that those magic words "mental health" are used as a get out of jail free card which at best annoys me and at worst makes me very angry. To be clear I'm talking about people with attitude problems not mental health problems
I have done a huge amount of training and research into different types of mental health issues that are more diagnosable and commonplace nowadays and the worst thing is, we have a couple of lads who are autistic, so having a genuine mental health stigma to carry with them are two of our best people and are joys to deal with, in fact were I not to be told by them all the time about this I would have no idea.
Lack of boundaries by parents is another thing of the past, its like the rise of racial language. They know its unacceptable yet challenge society to challenge them if they are spouting bile online or in public.
I'm probably guilty of highlighting the worst cases here as you tend not to remember the youngsters who are just getting on with the job and are embarrassed by their colleagues. Something else is mobile fucking phones and how little compunction some of these tossers have for completely ignoring me and my experienced mates who are trying to teach them the job and whipping their phones out not even sneakily and dicking about with them.
So it stands to reason the behaviour when drinking is abhorrent from these shitehawks
I'm not sure there is an increase in number of incidents, only an increase in the number of people speaking up. Maybe it's both. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
A Clockwork Orange was written (and filmed) for a reason, y'know. This isn't a new problem, and ultimately solving it would require changes to society many of you would decry as wokeism gone mad
So your take from this story is that it's a vindication of your sociopolitical viewpoint?
A Clockwork Orange was written (and filmed) for a reason, y'know. This isn't a new problem, and ultimately solving it would require changes to society many of you would decry as wokeism gone mad
So your take from this story is that it's a vindication of your sociopolitical viewpoint?
No. My take is that boys need to be socialised in a very different way to how they often are. With a lot more female role models, for one.
I'm not sure there is an increase in number of incidents, only an increase in the number of people speaking up. Maybe it's both. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
You may be right. The disturbing part is that it appears to be frighteningly commonplace and maybe has been so for a very long time.
Police Scotland say they are investigating Edinburgh, Dundee, Glasgow and Aberdeen, though they do not believe the reports to be linked. Merseyside Police say their investigation did not uncover 'any evidence of criminality'.
West Midlands Police today said they had received one report of report where the circumstances 'appear to match the description of someone being spiked by injection'.
However, the forces says it is 'unclear exactly what has happened' and they are continuing to investigation.
Drugs experts, meanwhile, have called for calm on as-of-yet unverified social media reports of injection spiking, saying the use of needles would be difficult for someone without medical training.
They also say the kind of drugs needed for a quick and discreet injection are 'highly detectable' within a victim's system for several days - meaning police would be able to verify if the person had been spiked.
However experts have warned people not to panic, with one medical expert saying the likelihood that injection spiking is a widespread phenomena is 'deeply improbable'.
David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, told VICE News: 'The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable.
'It's really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this.'
Meanwhile, Guy Jones, senior scientist at drugs charity the Loop, told VICE most 'date rape' drugs would need to be administered in large quantities with thick needles.
He said GHB, one of the more well known 'date rape' drugs, which is also used recreationally by some users, was a 'poor candidate' for injection because of the large amounts of fluid needed.
'Therefore (it would require) a thick, painful needle. This means that the substance involved would be something that would be highly detectable for several days in a toxicology screening,' he said.
Adam Winstock, director of the Global Drug Survey, added: 'There are very few easily accessible drugs / medicines that could be given intramuscular in a small enough volume that people would not notice and the effects would take some time to come on.
There are times, when I see, read and hear of the behaviour and attitudes of these sort of c***s, and I just think, I've had enough, and I want to get off this ride called life. It truly sickens me.
There are times, when I see, read and hear of the behaviour and attitudes of these sort of c***s, and I just think, I've had enough, and I want to get off this ride called life. It truly sickens me.
But that’s what they are hoping, we can’t let them win ✊🏻
Guy Jones, senior scientist at drugs charity the Loop, said: “Injecting adds a big ‘what?’ factor to the whole thing because few drugs would be able to be injected like this. Where drugs can be injected non-intravenously, there are specific injection sites that do not work well. The back is one of these unsuitable sites due to the low fat-muscle content, and high concentration of pain receptors.”
He added: “GHB would be a poor candidate for injection due to the large amount of fluid needed, and therefore the thick, painful needle. This means that the substance involved would be something that would be highly detectable for several days in a toxicology screening such as a benzodiazepine.”
David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, said: “There are a couple of things that are disconcerting about this story. The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable. It is at the level of a state sponsored actor incapacitating a dissident, like the Novichok incident. The idea that a clubber would do this to a fellow clubber seems highly unlikely to me.
“It’s really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this. If you were malicious there would be half a dozen much easier other ways to spike someone.”
Caldicott added: “It’s very important that when a young person believes something has happened that has deprived them of their cognitive liberty to take them seriously and investigate it to the hilt. This has not been adequately investigated.
“It’s entirely possible that this is some stupid fad of sticking needles into people, but the association between sticking needles into people and people being intoxicated and collapsing seems far-fetched at the moment, it’s very difficult to explain.”
A critical care nurse who is familiar with intramuscular injecting and wished to remain anonymous fearing a backlash also shared that the likelihood of being able to administer a jab of ketamine, benzo or haloperidol (probably the only drugs likely candidates for this) is virtually zero because the needle size you need to quickly administer the liquid the drug is suspended in is a size that would hurt a lot when administered.
Helena Conibear, CEO of the Alcohol Education Trust, who had not heard about spiking injections before last week, said that the social media claims and reports needed to be scrutinised. “What we’ve found over 11 years of our existence is that there is a rise in reporting to us [about drink spiking] during freshers’ week in the autumn. Everyone presumes it takes place in bars and clubs, but half is at private parties and unregulated spaces because there’s less likelihood to have CCTV.”
Guy Jones, senior scientist at drugs charity the Loop, said: “Injecting adds a big ‘what?’ factor to the whole thing because few drugs would be able to be injected like this. Where drugs can be injected non-intravenously, there are specific injection sites that do not work well. The back is one of these unsuitable sites due to the low fat-muscle content, and high concentration of pain receptors.”
He added: “GHB would be a poor candidate for injection due to the large amount of fluid needed, and therefore the thick, painful needle. This means that the substance involved would be something that would be highly detectable for several days in a toxicology screening such as a benzodiazepine.”
David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, said: “There are a couple of things that are disconcerting about this story. The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable. It is at the level of a state sponsored actor incapacitating a dissident, like the Novichok incident. The idea that a clubber would do this to a fellow clubber seems highly unlikely to me.
“It’s really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this. If you were malicious there would be half a dozen much easier other ways to spike someone.”
Caldicott added: “It’s very important that when a young person believes something has happened that has deprived them of their cognitive liberty to take them seriously and investigate it to the hilt. This has not been adequately investigated.
“It’s entirely possible that this is some stupid fad of sticking needles into people, but the association between sticking needles into people and people being intoxicated and collapsing seems far-fetched at the moment, it’s very difficult to explain.”
A critical care nurse who is familiar with intramuscular injecting and wished to remain anonymous fearing a backlash also shared that the likelihood of being able to administer a jab of ketamine, benzo or haloperidol (probably the only drugs likely candidates for this) is virtually zero because the needle size you need to quickly administer the liquid the drug is suspended in is a size that would hurt a lot when administered.
Helena Conibear, CEO of the Alcohol Education Trust, who had not heard about spiking injections before last week, said that the social media claims and reports needed to be scrutinised. “What we’ve found over 11 years of our existence is that there is a rise in reporting to us [about drink spiking] during freshers’ week in the autumn. Everyone presumes it takes place in bars and clubs, but half is at private parties and unregulated spaces because there’s less likelihood to have CCTV.”
Basically injecting people directly to spike a person is a bit of a myth about how widespread it is.
The typical spiking of drinks is far far more widespread and has been a problem for at least 20 years.
The needles thing sounds to me like a russian troll farm story, to give young people the heebies about jabs generally. Although I'm not doubting men's behaviour is absolutely appalling, something seems off about the injecting story.
The needles thing sounds to me like a russian troll farm story, to give young people the heebies about jabs generally. Although I'm not doubting men's behaviour is absolutely appalling, something seems off about the injecting story.
I dunno. Someone has actually been arrested and I've read multiple accounts in the broaadsheets of young women saying they have been injected
A Clockwork Orange was written (and filmed) for a reason, y'know. This isn't a new problem, and ultimately solving it would require changes to society many of you would decry as wokeism gone mad
So your take from this story is that it's a vindication of your sociopolitical viewpoint?
No. My take is that boys need to be socialised in a very different way to how they often are. With a lot more female role models, for one.
On the contrary one of the big issues (particularly in some Afro- Caribbean communities) is the lack of fathers bringing up boys.
Boys need fathers and from about 14 onwards other committed male role models
My son had his drink spiked a couple of months ago . He wasn’t drinking alcohol, he just had a soft drink in Wetherspoons with his friends . He left , in his car to go to a McDonald’s about 5 miles away and he collapsed and passed out when he got there . He was so lucky it didn’t happen when he was actually driving . I had to go and pick him up and he was totally out of it . I had to sit next to his bed all night because I was worried he would choke on his vomit . He didn’t remember a thing next day including driving .
Apparently a girl , the same night had the same thing happen to her in the same pub.
The pub wasn’t interested. This wasn’t in London it was in rural Bedfordshire.
What moron goes around spiking other people drinks ?
Someone spiked my dads drink with LSD in beds a few years ago and mugged him. Lucky for them it worked, because he's really not the kind of fella you want to get ironed out by.
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You have your head in the sand if you don't think this has been going on for decades.
Is it any worse? I'm not sure but at least girls feel empowered enough this generation to feel able to speak out about the issues in clubs and pubs at uni and cities.
Not saying for one moment that the practice of spiking drinks or of individuals is not abhorrent and any perpetrators found doing so should be jailed......but at the moment I get the feeling that it's being over hyped and adding fuel to the fire for whatever means.
Her immediate concern was the difficulty she was having, attempting to get medical help to see whether she had also been infected with hepatitis, HIV, etc., since it is unlikely the needle was sterile. She felt her concerns were not being taken seriously.
night because I was worried he would choke on his vomit . He didn’t remember a thing next day including driving .
This wasn’t in London it was in rural Bedfordshire.
By this I mean youngsters and I have a lot of them at work to deal with now who are both vicious and unpleasant to talk to yet have no qualms about breaking down in tears if asked to perform the simplest of tasks and taking a week off for depression because saying the words "mental health" essentially blacklists them from any HR involvement. All because I'd told them to complete their vehicle log sheets daily and not to book overtime when they were not working so the week off with depression is a tantrum knowing because I cant prove one way or the other if they are clinically depressed for the convenient self certification period or not. Not only that those magic words "mental health" are used as a get out of jail free card which at best annoys me and at worst makes me very angry. To be clear I'm talking about people with attitude problems not mental health problems
I have done a huge amount of training and research into different types of mental health issues that are more diagnosable and commonplace nowadays and the worst thing is, we have a couple of lads who are autistic, so having a genuine mental health stigma to carry with them are two of our best people and are joys to deal with, in fact were I not to be told by them all the time about this I would have no idea.
Lack of boundaries by parents is another thing of the past, its like the rise of racial language. They know its unacceptable yet challenge society to challenge them if they are spouting bile online or in public.
I'm probably guilty of highlighting the worst cases here as you tend not to remember the youngsters who are just getting on with the job and are embarrassed by their colleagues. Something else is mobile fucking phones and how little compunction some of these tossers have for completely ignoring me and my experienced mates who are trying to teach them the job and whipping their phones out not even sneakily and dicking about with them.
So it stands to reason the behaviour when drinking is abhorrent from these shitehawks
No poncing about just jail the fuckers.
Makes me feel a bit sick, to be honest.
However experts have warned people not to panic, with one medical expert saying the likelihood that injection spiking is a widespread phenomena is 'deeply improbable'.
David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, told VICE News: 'The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable.
'It's really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this.'
Meanwhile, Guy Jones, senior scientist at drugs charity the Loop, told VICE most 'date rape' drugs would need to be administered in large quantities with thick needles.
He said GHB, one of the more well known 'date rape' drugs, which is also used recreationally by some users, was a 'poor candidate' for injection because of the large amounts of fluid needed.
'Therefore (it would require) a thick, painful needle. This means that the substance involved would be something that would be highly detectable for several days in a toxicology screening,' he said.
Adam Winstock, director of the Global Drug Survey, added: 'There are very few easily accessible drugs / medicines that could be given intramuscular in a small enough volume that people would not notice and the effects would take some time to come on.
Guy Jones, senior scientist at drugs charity the Loop, said: “Injecting adds a big ‘what?’ factor to the whole thing because few drugs would be able to be injected like this. Where drugs can be injected non-intravenously, there are specific injection sites that do not work well. The back is one of these unsuitable sites due to the low fat-muscle content, and high concentration of pain receptors.”
He added: “GHB would be a poor candidate for injection due to the large amount of fluid needed, and therefore the thick, painful needle. This means that the substance involved would be something that would be highly detectable for several days in a toxicology screening such as a benzodiazepine.”
David Caldicott, an emergency medicine consultant and founder of drug testing project WEDINOS, said: “There are a couple of things that are disconcerting about this story. The technical and medical knowledge required to perform this would make this deeply improbable. It is at the level of a state sponsored actor incapacitating a dissident, like the Novichok incident. The idea that a clubber would do this to a fellow clubber seems highly unlikely to me.
“It’s really hard to stick a needle in someone without them noticing, especially if you have to keep the needle in there for long enough, maybe 20 seconds, to inject enough drugs to cause this. If you were malicious there would be half a dozen much easier other ways to spike someone.”
Caldicott added: “It’s very important that when a young person believes something has happened that has deprived them of their cognitive liberty to take them seriously and investigate it to the hilt. This has not been adequately investigated.
“It’s entirely possible that this is some stupid fad of sticking needles into people, but the association between sticking needles into people and people being intoxicated and collapsing seems far-fetched at the moment, it’s very difficult to explain.”
A critical care nurse who is familiar with intramuscular injecting and wished to remain anonymous fearing a backlash also shared that the likelihood of being able to administer a jab of ketamine, benzo or haloperidol (probably the only drugs likely candidates for this) is virtually zero because the needle size you need to quickly administer the liquid the drug is suspended in is a size that would hurt a lot when administered.
Helena Conibear, CEO of the Alcohol Education Trust, who had not heard about spiking injections before last week, said that the social media claims and reports needed to be scrutinised. “What we’ve found over 11 years of our existence is that there is a rise in reporting to us [about drink spiking] during freshers’ week in the autumn. Everyone presumes it takes place in bars and clubs, but half is at private parties and unregulated spaces because there’s less likelihood to have CCTV.”
The typical spiking of drinks is far far more widespread and has been a problem for at least 20 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/19/police-investigate-reports-of-spiking-by-needle-at-nottingham-clubs