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  • Huskaris said:
    When do you next need to use it, as I would think by midweek next week this should all have calmed down once the sheep have a full tank. 
    i need to take my son football now then go to the valley on tuesday ideally but i'm weighing up public transport instead
  • There are others also who think they should actively be prevented from being here. 
    On this forum?
  • seth plum said:
    OK you’re not saying there is an order of precedent with local born people ‘offered’ jobs first and then Afghani refugees ‘offered’ those jobs second.
    There is a system where jobs ‘offered’ follow an application for said jobs.
    People ought to have the chance to be sentient in their decision to apply whatever their background, and hopefully not forced or pressured into doing jobs that don’t suit.
    I am delighted that you don’t see refugees as some kind of workforce waiting to be somehow deployed according to what is convenient to the ruling class.
    Take professional people for example. A qualified solicitor or doctor in Afghanistan, whilst no doubt very competent, will not be up to code to practice here. That is a fact. Whilst professional people will have transferable skills, they will need to be retrained in order to be able to apply for these jobs. Same applies for HGV drivers & believe me, I am fully supportive of this as long as they as they have passed the necessary security clearance.

    Question for you, do you think the Afghan  refugees should be afforded the opportunity to fill the gap in the labor market for the minimum wage jobs. A simple yes or no will suffice.
  • doesn't help the fact i've still got the lurgy so hard to ask for a lift off anybody 
  • I believe exactly what Ive written. Taking your brain surgeon analogy. I would expect them to be retained to meet the requirements that we have in this country for brain surgeons. I would expect that it’s widely different in Afghanistan. There is a labor shortage doing minimum wage jobs so these should also be offered to Afghan refugees as well as people born here. 
    This is absolutely right. One of the main areas of brain surgery that will have to be retrained for surgeons wanting to work in the NHS is microsurgery. There are several people who exhibit symptoms that could be considered to demonstrate that microsurgery would be an essential requirement should they ever require brain surgery. For example, the sort of person who worries more about where an HGV driver comes from, rather than their ability and availability to do the job. 


  • Have a fleet of four Hgv's. All are loaded for the morning with enough diesel in them each to get to where they are going and then back to base. If they can't find anywhere enroute to fill up then they will be all parked up by 10.00 am.
    Normally all fill up first thing on a Monday morning as can't leave full tanks laying in the yard all weekend for obvious reasons. 
    So come mid morning tomorrow four invaluable Hgv's will be out of commission until the great unwashed British public get their heads out of their arses.
    Thanks to all concerned who couldn't find that said arse with both hands. 
  • edited September 2021
    One of the many pillars of Brexit was control of borders. We are now in control, inviting workers in targeted industries when the need (and mutual benefit) arises. It has arisen now (though at a pace accelerated beyond what could have reasonably been expected).

    I'd suggest, therefore, that this is one of the principles of Brexit working in practice as it was intended. Brexit was never about stopping other nationalities from working in Britain, but managing immigration in an appropriate and economically viable matter, in both the short term and the extended long term.

    I'll accept the LOLs from the remainers on here in good spirit. 
    What specifically can we do now that we couldn't do a year ago. Allow EU drivers into the country? Of course not. Assimilate refugees? I don't think so either; in fact it was fear of refugees that helped drive Brexit (remember Farage's disgusting poster). Your examples of taking back control are nothing but an illusion. Frankly, your post deserves all the good spirited lols it can muster. 
  • Ross said:
    So, anyone managed to get any fuel?
    I managed to get some from my local Tesco filling station, had to sit in a queue of traffic for just under an hour though. Now bracing myself to go and pick Mrs Ottos from her mums in north London. Can’t wait to sit another traffic Jam. 
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  • Take professional people for example. A qualified solicitor or doctor in Afghanistan, whilst no doubt very competent, will not be up to code to practice here. That is a fact. Whilst professional people will have transferable skills, they will need to be retrained in order to be able to apply for these jobs. Same applies for HGV drivers & believe me, I am fully supportive of this as long as they as they have passed the necessary security clearance.

    Question for you, do you think the Afghan  refugees should be afforded the opportunity to fill the gap in the labor market for the minimum wage jobs. A simple yes or no will suffice.
    Afghan refugees should be afforded the opportunity to behave in the same way as UK born people.
  • DOUCHER said:
    i need to take my son football now then go to the valley on tuesday ideally but i'm weighing up public transport instead
    Sounds like there's only one thing for it. 

    Send the wife out with a jerry can.

    Hope this helps, good luck. 
  • One of the many pillars of Brexit was control of borders. We are now in control, inviting workers in targeted industries when the need (and mutual benefit) arises. It has arisen now (though at a pace accelerated beyond what could have reasonably been expected by Covid).

    I'd suggest, therefore, that this is one of the principles of Brexit working in practice as it was intended. Brexit was never about stopping other nationalities from working in Britain, but managing immigration in an appropriate and economically viable manner, in both the short term and the extended long term.

    I'll accept the LOLs from the remainers on here in good spirit. 
    There are no controls on the land border with the EU.

  • Covid19 certainly caused issues last Christmas as a result of a testing regime implemented on truck drivers of all nationalities by the French Government. The EU transport commissioner Adina Valean, was particularly critical of the French government's decision that created the backlog in the UK.
  • seth plum said:
    There are no controls on the land border with the EU.

    Do you really want to go down that route again?
  • edited September 2021
    I think giving refugees the opportunity to be retrained (or skills transferred through conversion courses etc) is actually a pretty good, and nice thing to do for members of our society. It shows that they will be given opportunities. 

    Let's not act like theres going to be Afghans dragged out of houses and forced to drive an HGV rather than becoming a brain surgeon. 
  • Do you really want to go down that route again?
    You said we are now in control which is not true.
    I was putting the record straight.
  • People will always put themselves first. Saying "there's no fuel shortage" when there's hundreds of people queuing for petrol, and closed petrol stations, doesn't help the situation, even though it is true.

    People see other people panicking and panic too in a massive domino effect, when it's your money, livelihood, or ability to get your kids to school at stake, I have to say I do understand it. 

    A parralel is with people that have the "but I'm just one person, what can I do?" view on climate change, or people that think COVID rules didn't apply to them, the run on Northern Rock... People don't see the bigger picture, or the "societal" view but instead just have tunnel vision for their own lives. 

    We live in a very individualist culture, which has many many strengths, but things like this are one of the downfalls. 
  • One of the many pillars of Brexit was control of borders. We are now in control, inviting workers in targeted industries when the need (and mutual benefit) arises. It has arisen now (though at a pace accelerated beyond what could have reasonably been expected by Covid).

    I'd suggest, therefore, that this is one of the principles of Brexit working in practice as it was intended. Brexit was never about stopping other nationalities from working in Britain, but managing immigration in an appropriate and economically viable manner, in both the short term and the extended long term.

    I'll accept the LOLs from the remainers on here in good spirit. 
    I think you'll find experts in the field told the ProjectLeave that this may happen. It was then labelled 'Project Fear' and anyone who pointed out the flaws in the great Project Leave Brexit Plan was effectively either a Troll, an EU Sycophant or a traitor. I think Michael Gove said "people are sick of listening to experts"

    This collection of morons that currently run the country were warned throughout the year that there was an urgent need for Farm Workers, Factory Workers and Drivers and did nothing. Farmers fruit rotted in fields, fish rotted quayside and it's only when the masses are affected (maybe they won't vote us in again) do the government take any action.

    Now alas it's too little to late and the great ship Brexit that you're clearly a deluded sailor on is heading for the rocks and instead of realising the flaws in the plan that were clear for almost anybody to see you are still shouting the ;benefits'

    Well the £350million a week to the NHS hasn't happened, we've had a tax increase dressed up as social care, fisherman can't export fish,  farmers can't harvest crops, food exports to the EU dropped off a cliff £2billion first 6 months, EuroBond Settlements buggered off to New york, multibilliondollar corporations are paid bribes with Tax Payers money to stay and fight the good fight and you think this is good news.

    Just as a footnote UKPLC has now spent more money propping up, solving problems caused by Brexit than the sum total of our contributions since we became a member and we're only 10 months in.

    Things are going to get worse. I'm sitting back with my popcorn now. Watching. 


  • Stig said:
    What specifically can we do now that we couldn't do a year ago. Allow EU drivers into the country? Of course not. Assimilate refugees? I don't think so either; in fact it was fear of refugees that helped drive Brexit (remember Farage's disgusting poster). Your examples of taking back control are nothing but an illusion. Frankly, your post deserves all the good spirited lols it can muster. 
    apologies - happy to respond but genuinely don't understand the question...

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  • seth plum said:
    You said we are now in control which is not true.
    I was putting the record straight.
    The UK has sovereign control of it borders. 
  • On this forum?
    Probably 
  • The UK has sovereign control of it borders. 
    What's 'Sovereign' Control versus  'Control' ? Don't get it mate.
  • The UK has sovereign control of it borders. 
    It does not have control in practical terms.
    The UK has always had sovereignty of its borders. If sovereignty means a line in a map and naming things.
    However on the ground where those map lines are drawn, the UK does not exercise control of it’s border.
  • I am a life long Tory voter and voted for Brexit, but I admit that doing both those things has resulted in the complete mess that this country finds itself in. We have a serial liar in charge and a Government that is reactive, rathe than proactive. The only good thing to come out of this is that the lowest paid workers are now being viewed as essential and having to be paid a fair day's wage for the work that they do. HGV drivers, tanker drivers, care workers and hospitality workers are now treated as they should have been all along. 

    I will not vote Conservative again and would vote to re-join the EU if asked.
    I was a life long Tory voter until Boris Johnson became the leader. With the greatest respect a life long tory voter should of realised this guy is an utter ball bag. I didn't actually vote in the last election. However, I'm suspecting Jeremy Corbyn could of been a better option that the shower of shit we find leading us currently. Brexit was always a bad idea as we are now finding out at our cost.
  • Do "foreign" HGV lorry drivers actually live in Britain? Or do they just come in to the country, work for a while  - sleeping in their cabs or whatever - and then go home?
  • edited September 2021
    I nearly choked on my cornflakes this morning when I saw Grant Shapps a.k.a. Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox, saying he and the Government was keen for HGV drivers to be paid a fair wage. That would be a first in history :). He then went on to blame the HGV unions for the scaremongering rather than the press/media! I can see the funny side.
  • I nearly choked on my cornflakes this morning when I saw Grant Shapps a.k.a. Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox, saying he and the Government was keen for HGV drivers to be paid a fair wage. That would be a first in history :). He then went on to blame the HGV unions for the scaremongering rather than the press/media! I can see the funny side.
    This tool also awarded a ferry contract to a company that had no boats and still he remains in office.
  • One of the many pillars of Brexit was control of borders. We are now in control, inviting workers in targeted industries when the need (and mutual benefit) arises. It has arisen now (though at a pace accelerated beyond what could have reasonably been expected by Covid).

    I'd suggest, therefore, that this is one of the principles of Brexit working in practice as it was intended. Brexit was never about stopping other nationalities from working in Britain, but managing immigration in an appropriate and economically viable manner, in both the short term and the extended long term.

    I'll accept the LOLs from the remainers on here in good spirit. 
    Ideological gymnastics here. The control was to exclude anyone with earning power under 30k a year if memory serves. Anyone effectively under that threshold were persona non grata. My personal opinion is that this was to, let’s say encourage Brits into those low paid jobs. The Brexit mongers didn’t expect in my humble opinion that within a couple of years that there would be one million advertised job vacancies in the U.K. How we expect those excluded previously to conclude that three months work here is an attractive proposition remains to be seen when they can just as easily remain in their existing jobs or move to Germany or The Nederlands, Italy or France where they remain with full citizenship rights. 
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