Dobson and Clare to me are first teamers but not automatic picks
Who will be ahead of them. We sure won’t be bringing in two more players in those roles ?
I'd be surprised if we played 2 workhorses in midfield every game, with the likes of Morgan and Gilbey fighting over one place
What’s Gilbey if he isn’t a work horse ?
If Gilbey is in the same category of player, the same applies that I don't consider Dobson and Clare to be automatically ahead of him if we play 2 in the engine room
Are Clare and Dobson both first team starters? Do they have the quality we need - or are they more back up's to our first choice? I dont know enough about them to answer that.
I think back to the Powell promotion season which is what I guess we were all hoping to replicate in approach.... buying the best players from league 1.
Havent a clue if these are the best players in league 1 - or how they compare to someone like Fraser who went to Ipswich?
Then again - look how many games Pritchard played in our promotion season and he came from non league!
Dobson and Clare seem to be indicative of a slightly different approach. Where Wigan are "doing a Powell" and pillaging players from bigger teams and direct competitors, these are two players who seem to have been stand outs at clubs that otherwise struggled.*
I would presume the logic is that if they can look good in a poor team, they will therefore turn out to be really rather tasty in a team of better quality.
* I suddenly realise this also applies to Stockley, except that the struggling team in question was us!! 😏
I don’t think what we’re doing is very different to what Powell did at all. We took players from Bournemouth, Oldham, Exeter and Dagenham, and cast offs from Preston, Reading, Wednesday, Scunthorpe and Leicester. The only team who were really a direct competitor was Weds and they couldn’t wait to get rid of Morrison. With the possible exception of Bournemouth, who were still a year away from properly starting up as a force, we didn’t actually take any bigger teams’ players off them that they wanted to keep
I think that we are a world away from the level of player we signed under Powell. Hollands and Wiggins were two of the most in demand players at league 1 level and had championship clubs looking at them. Kermorgant came from the Championship. Taylor was deemed a legend at Exeter. Evina was Oldhams best player - well other than Dale Stephens who we also signed after a cameo for the team who came second. Green had half the league chasing after him.
What I would say is that the likes of Famewo and Stockley (who were here last year) compare favourably to what we had the season before.
But Powell wasnt signing players that Oxford aren't up in arms about losing. He would have signed Oxfords star player.
Interesting signing, like Dobson he's young but experienced at this level and has a point to prove to his former club and manager.
Two year deals for both might suggest they weren't first choice on our list and need to do well here to earn a longer deal.
Looking forward to several more coming in, especially the attacking signings. Really important we get those right to give us players who can score and create.
Interesting signing, like Dobson he's young but experienced at this level and has a point to prove to his former club and manager.
Two year deals for both might suggest they weren't first choice on our list and need to do well here to earn a longer deal.
Looking forward to several more coming in, especially the attacking signings. Really important we get those right to give us players who can score and create.
Very much this. I think our quality of signing will/needs to be of a good/better level than we currently have. I think we’ve been patient in the market for a reason and that’s not to sign players who aren’t as good as what we already have.
Dobson and Clare to me are first teamers but not automatic picks
Who will be ahead of them. We sure won’t be bringing in two more players in those roles ?
I'd be surprised if we played 2 workhorses in midfield every game, with the likes of Morgan and Gilbey fighting over one place
What’s Gilbey if he isn’t a work horse ?
If Gilbey is in the same category of player, the same applies that I don't consider Dobson and Clare to be automatically ahead of him if we play 2 in the engine room
Gilbey is sick with Covid. We may not see him for months
Erm he was. They had him on loan from Arsenal and fans couldn’t believe they got him permanently. So the best ... outside of Dale Stephens who we also signed. As I stated in my post.
Erm he was. They had him on loan from Arsenal and fans couldn’t believe they got him permanently. So the best ... outside of Dale Stephens who we also signed. As I stated in my post.
Chris Taylor who got a championship move? The goal keeper they had on loan from Man United
Anyway its irrelevant because signing Evina had no impact on us getting promoted at all.
Are Clare and Dobson both first team starters? Do they have the quality we need - or are they more back up's to our first choice? I dont know enough about them to answer that.
I think back to the Powell promotion season which is what I guess we were all hoping to replicate in approach.... buying the best players from league 1.
Havent a clue if these are the best players in league 1 - or how they compare to someone like Fraser who went to Ipswich?
Then again - look how many games Pritchard played in our promotion season and he came from non league!
Dobson and Clare seem to be indicative of a slightly different approach. Where Wigan are "doing a Powell" and pillaging players from bigger teams and direct competitors, these are two players who seem to have been stand outs at clubs that otherwise struggled.*
I would presume the logic is that if they can look good in a poor team, they will therefore turn out to be really rather tasty in a team of better quality.
* I suddenly realise this also applies to Stockley, except that the struggling team in question was us!! 😏
I don’t think what we’re doing is very different to what Powell did at all. We took players from Bournemouth, Oldham, Exeter and Dagenham, and cast offs from Preston, Reading, Wednesday, Scunthorpe and Leicester. The only team who were really a direct competitor was Weds and they couldn’t wait to get rid of Morrison. With the possible exception of Bournemouth, who were still a year away from properly starting up as a force, we didn’t actually take any bigger teams’ players off them that they wanted to keep
I think that we are a world away from the level of player we signed under Powell. Hollands and Wiggins were two of the most in demand players at league 1 level and had championship clubs looking at them. Kermorgant came from the Championship. Taylor was deemed a legend at Exeter. Evina was Oldhams best player - well other than Dale Stephens who we also signed after a cameo for the team who came second. Green had half the league chasing after him.
What I would say is that the likes of Famewo and Stockley (who were here last year) compare favourably to what we had the season before.
But Powell wasnt signing players that Oxford aren't up in arms about losing. He would have signed Oxfords star player.
Last time we got promoted we spent six months with Josh Parker playing up front.
100,000 ish according to Oxford fans, 350,000 according to "the other forum" 🤷♂️
Unless someone at the signing was the source an undisclosed fee is just that 🤷♂️. People don’t just make stuff up for some street cred do the they 🙄.
People never read something on one forum and post it as ITK on another either ;-)
Then forget which forum they posted on
I'll be honest and say I'd never heard of Clare before today. But the clips of him look promising and one of the things we needed. A tall midfielder, with loads of energy, a good tackle and an eye for goal. He looks like a good signing to me.
Two year deal worries me slightly. We go up and he does well in the Championship and we could lose him for nothing. Unless of course we don't think him good enough for the Championship? I was hoping for some three year deals to stop our squad churn every summer.
Are Clare and Dobson both first team starters? Do they have the quality we need - or are they more back up's to our first choice? I dont know enough about them to answer that.
I think back to the Powell promotion season which is what I guess we were all hoping to replicate in approach.... buying the best players from league 1.
Havent a clue if these are the best players in league 1 - or how they compare to someone like Fraser who went to Ipswich?
Then again - look how many games Pritchard played in our promotion season and he came from non league!
Dobson and Clare seem to be indicative of a slightly different approach. Where Wigan are "doing a Powell" and pillaging players from bigger teams and direct competitors, these are two players who seem to have been stand outs at clubs that otherwise struggled.*
I would presume the logic is that if they can look good in a poor team, they will therefore turn out to be really rather tasty in a team of better quality.
* I suddenly realise this also applies to Stockley, except that the struggling team in question was us!! 😏
I don’t think what we’re doing is very different to what Powell did at all. We took players from Bournemouth, Oldham, Exeter and Dagenham, and cast offs from Preston, Reading, Wednesday, Scunthorpe and Leicester. The only team who were really a direct competitor was Weds and they couldn’t wait to get rid of Morrison. With the possible exception of Bournemouth, who were still a year away from properly starting up as a force, we didn’t actually take any bigger teams’ players off them that they wanted to keep
I think that we are a world away from the level of player we signed under Powell. Hollands and Wiggins were two of the most in demand players at league 1 level and had championship clubs looking at them. Kermorgant came from the Championship. Taylor was deemed a legend at Exeter. Evina was Oldhams best player - well other than Dale Stephens who we also signed after a cameo for the team who came second. Green had half the league chasing after him.
What I would say is that the likes of Famewo and Stockley (who were here last year) compare favourably to what we had the season before.
But Powell wasnt signing players that Oxford aren't up in arms about losing. He would have signed Oxfords star player.
Agree with most of what you say about Powell's signings, but not sure our signings aren't there as well. Clare was apparently in demand by most of the projected top 6, McG was Pompey's best player, Stockley and Famewo you've mentioned. Just leaves Dobson... but given the standard of the others and what I saw against Dartford I'm inclined to believe we're getting this right. We are short going forwards though, but am excited about who is to come, especially if it's Edwards (sceptical that's true, though)
I know the Youtube video should generally be ignored but it excited me. Pace and physical presence is something I really wanted in one of our CM's and he looks to fit the bill. A slightly more creative CM capable of chipping in with a few is last one for me now.
You can bang on about Powell's summer all summer but let's be honest in in 2011 we finished 13th in league 1.
We only had 4 players left that played any meaningful part of the next season. Fast foward 10 years and if you include the players that have resigned we already had 10 or 11 good but not great league 1 players.
We are only probably 3 or 4 players short of Powell's best team. We didn't need the Hayes, Hughes, Evina, Euall, Taylor, Alonso, Sullivan type signings. We have already made the Court, Hamer, Hollands signings.
Stephens, Yann, Green and Wiggins, probably Morrison type ones are still to come.
Anyone that counts Bover, Smith and Pope can give their head a wobble.
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What I would say is that the likes of Famewo and Stockley (who were here last year) compare favourably to what we had the season before.
But Powell wasnt signing players that Oxford aren't up in arms about losing. He would have signed Oxfords star player.
You lost me there mate tbh.
Clueless Scouse prick.
Interesting signing, like Dobson he's young but experienced at this level and has a point to prove to his former club and manager.
Two year deals for both might suggest they weren't first choice on our list and need to do well here to earn a longer deal.
Looking forward to several more coming in, especially the attacking signings. Really important we get those right to give us players who can score and create.
So the best ... outside of Dale Stephens who we also signed. As I stated in my post.
Anyway its irrelevant because signing Evina had no impact on us getting promoted at all.
If Cassius Sports are his Agency it looks like Morgan Fox is one of its Clients as well
https://www.cassiussports.co.uk/about-us/
I'll be honest and say I'd never heard of Clare before today.
But the clips of him look promising and one of the things we needed.
A tall midfielder, with loads of energy, a good tackle and an eye for goal.
He looks like a good signing to me.
We only had 4 players left that played any meaningful part of the next season. Fast foward 10 years and if you include the players that have resigned we already had 10 or 11 good but not great league 1 players.
We are only probably 3 or 4 players short of Powell's best team. We didn't need the Hayes, Hughes, Evina, Euall, Taylor, Alonso, Sullivan type signings. We have already made the Court, Hamer, Hollands signings.
Stephens, Yann, Green and Wiggins, probably Morrison type ones are still to come.
Anyone that counts Bover, Smith and Pope can give their head a wobble.