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Has Bowyer lost it?
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It seems LB is here for a little longer which to some, given the majority of performances/managerial decisions this season have been bewildering, is baffling but in the words of a once great man.......
’It is what it is’.1 -
LittleAddick said:It's an alarming lack off ambition, actions speak louder than words, and having the backbone to sack bowyer is what is needed. Bowyer does not have the managerial capabilities to take us on sandgaards professed trajectory, let's not kid ourselves.
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i love a promotion season so if that is going to be next year when we are back in the ground, then that's a silver lining to this disappointing season - at least we've only been watching it at home - a defeat is always worse when you have to walk up that hill to the car and listen to the jubilant away fans!!! I will continue buying the streams regardless because i'm a supporter but also because even a crap game is a highlight of the week atm - performance levels of the team has never been a factor in whether i watch Charlton or not - its just what i do and i just hope TS's faith in LB is rewarded and given a summer with no transfer embargo or wage cap, he manages to create an exciting team capable of going up. I'm not convinced but will get behind it, as always.12
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Surely no person of sane mind would buy a complete basket case of a club under a joke ownership situation such as ours during a pandemic . No farkin way has he not lost it and long may he stay that mad !esseffect said:Can’t wait for the “Has Thomas Sangaard lost it?” Thread10 -
Second stupidest thing - the first was coating off the fans in the ground!Melrose said:Bowyer is clearly not willing to take responsibility for the shambles that has ensued for the last 2-3 months. The stupidest thing he has done is claiming the club are over achieving. What incentive have any of the players got to improve things after that! LB sadly lost it and it would be best for all if he went now.1 -
re LB, yes he has unfortunately, team selection and tactics of late resemble a.....well let’s try this now... hope he recovers but don’t think he knows the answers, whilst a lot of them appear to be staring him in the face. No 1 being pick a consistent team and formation.0
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So if we were in 12-14th-place-form but still clearly not making the play-offs, there wouldn't have been a meltdown? I've read every post on this thread and I don't buy that.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I think the meltdown might be down to the fact that we've been in relegation form for 20 games. Obviously not an issue for some of our fans.Chunes said:0 -
It's obvious we should be at least competing for the playoffs. Anyone who says otherwise with the squad we have available is in my opinion choosing to ignore the facts.
For whatever reason, lack of chemistry, tactics, dissent in the ranks we are not and that needs to change.
I don't think Bowyer can't do it, but it is on him to turn it around, get his players fighting for promotion and get us back playing as a team. If we miss out on the playoffs but look like a team, working together and start picking up some form we can at least say we have some reason to keep Bowyer in.
It all comes down to whether Bowyer and the boys want it enough to get on with the job and iron out any issues in the camp. Right now I am not sold that they do.9 -
It’s all down to whether Bowyer and the boys wants it enough. I couldn’t agree more. So why do people purely focus on Bowyer?
Yes it’s his job to get the best out of players. I think most of them are trying their best for him. It’s just an overall confidence thing at the moment.
we probably would get a new manager bounce, but that’s all it will be and unlikely enough to get play offs unless they are much better than Bows.
That person would also have to see us through play offs, I know one guy who has already and he’s in charge at the moment0 -
Must be quiet a strange atmosphere amongst the squad where nobody knows whether they'll be playing, where they'll be playing and who with each week.esseffect said:It’s all down to whether Bowyer and the boys wants it enough. I couldn’t agree more. So why do people purely focus on Bowyer?
Yes it’s his job to get the best out of players. I think most of them are trying their best for him. It’s just an overall confidence thing at the moment.
we probably would get a new manager bounce, but that’s all it will be and unlikely enough to get play offs unless they are much better than Bows.
That person would also have to see us through play offs, I know one guy who has already and he’s in charge at the moment
You could argue it gives 'competition for places' which i believe Bowyer wanted when he was recruiting for 2 players in each position. However, judged on performances it appears thats not been that successful.
I dont think you can deny that current Bowyer is different to playoff winning Bowyer. Whether its a recent downturn in form, the salary cap, not being able to get in the players he wanted (although he got a few of those), no fans, lockdown....who knows.
But at the moment there is a dark cloud having over the Valley and it appears to me to be coming from Bowyer himself.11 - Sponsored links:
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I watched a clip last night on YouTube of Gus Poyet talking about when he kept Sunderland up in the PL when they won the last 5 games of season (or something like that). Anyway, he said that afterwards, he told the owner at the time he was taking 2 weeks off and wouldn’t be answering calls, emails, anything.I do wonder if something like that would have been good for Bowyer. Let him reset etc. Can only imagine how exhausting last season and even the off-field drama of start of this season must have been on him. Obviously too late for a rest now, but just found it interesting after hearing Poyet talk about needing to be completely away from everything about football for couple of weeks.0
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You're missing the point. It's now the reverse.ForeverAddickted said:Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
It's partially because the weather will be fair on Saturday that I won't watch it.
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A bit shit? No, extremely shit football, played by effortless players, with no fans, on TV. It's soulless and depressing. Then you get the manager talking shit too. At this time people need something to cheer them up more than ever, not the opposite.Elthamaddick said:I might not have seen too many games over the past 40+ years if I stopped every time we were a 'bit shit'
It's certainly not comparable with the past / non Covid19 times.0 -
We are nowhere near the shiteness yet of the Paval Abbot, Paul Benson and co era, that was really awful. Being in lockdown is magnifying everything imo, as are the impact of really poor pitches / weather since turn of year.jimmymelrose said:
A bit shit? No, extremely shit football, played by effortless players, with no fans, on TV. It's soulless and depressing. Then you get the manager talking shit too. At this time people need something to cheer them up more than ever, not the opposite.Elthamaddick said:I might not have seen too many games over the past 40+ years if I stopped every time we were a 'bit shit'
It's certainly not comparable with the past / non Covid19 times.13 -
I doubt Chuks will be with us next season. I can see next season's excuse already - we have a completely new team and they need time to gel.dajavouslagan said:I don’t feel Bowyer should go just because we are losing it’s because of the manner in which we’re losing. Obvious to all so not listing them all.Going into next season can we really build our team around the likes of Inniss & Chucks? As good as they are, their injury record is so poor this could hold us back!0 -
With the whole squad thing why is it such a common opinion that we have the squad for play offs, also why play offs. What if we lose in the play offs, what's the difference between that and 7th? Peterborough and Sunderland missed out on play offs last season, doesn't seem to be too awful for them right now
The top6 in this league are probably Lincoln, Hull, Doncaster, Peterborough, Portsmouth and Sunderland. That's probably going to be the top6 till the end now. Outside chance of us Oxford or Accrington getting involved. Now have a look through their squads and tell me who starts in those teams in our current squad. Also when this season is over and we lose almost every single player yet again I will be surprised if any of them end up at high league 1 clubs, maybe Chuks.
Our squad isn't good. Not bad but certainly not good3 -
I think it is good but hasn't looked good.The midfield has been weakened in the transfer window, but Bowyer didn't trust our best midfielders anyway.0
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Case and point - we play teams like Crewe or Swindon and expect to beat them because they're nothing teams. Yet the moment we're linked with players like Charlie Kirk, DJ, etc... Crewe and Swindon players... Suddenly those players are exceptional. Then the perspective shifts.Braziliance said:With the whole squad thing why is it such a common opinion that we have the squad for play offs, also why play offs. What if we lose in the play offs, what's the difference between that and 7th?
The top6 in this league are probably Lincoln, Hull, Doncaster, Peterborough, Portsmouth and Sunderland. That's probably going to be the top6 till the end now. Outside chance of us Oxford or Accrington getting involved. Now have a look through their squads and tell me who starts in those teams in our current squad. Also when this season is over and we lose almost every single player yet again I will be surprised if any of them end up at high league 1 clubs, maybe Chuks.
Our squad isn't good. Not bad but certainly not good
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Nevermind league 1, we were linked with a league 2 player and got excited.Chunes said:
Case and point - we play teams like Crewe or Swindon and expect to beat them because they're nothing teams. Yet the moment we're linked with players like Charlie Kirk, DJ, etc... Crewe and Swindon players... Suddenly those players are exceptional. Then the perspective shifts.Braziliance said:With the whole squad thing why is it such a common opinion that we have the squad for play offs, also why play offs. What if we lose in the play offs, what's the difference between that and 7th?
The top6 in this league are probably Lincoln, Hull, Doncaster, Peterborough, Portsmouth and Sunderland. That's probably going to be the top6 till the end now. Outside chance of us Oxford or Accrington getting involved. Now have a look through their squads and tell me who starts in those teams in our current squad. Also when this season is over and we lose almost every single player yet again I will be surprised if any of them end up at high league 1 clubs, maybe Chuks.
Our squad isn't good. Not bad but certainly not good
More or less every game this season I have seen at least 1 opposing player that I would like in this team. Not the sign of a good squad to me1 -
When matches had supporters I could go knowing I'd meet friends and fellow fans in the grounds, I'd enjoy chatting to people and in general the live atmosphere added something that just can't be replicated with remote viewing.
I don't see it as 100% like for like comparable for people who stop buying the passes as the same thing as not attending matches (when they could.)
I have not actually gone to a game for several years now but that's simply because of personal circumstances rather than any kind of conscious "point" to make to anyone.0 - Sponsored links:
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Whilst I'll be blindly tuning in tomorrow, I don't blame anyone for avoiding the streams on matchday. Football isn't the same in lockdown, and a loss can feel so much worse as you can't drown your sorrows with your mates i in the pub after.
Fans not watching a stream for the sake their own mental health are not 'fair weather', especially as those who seem to be turning off are some of our most well travelled when able to attend matches.8 -
3 of our unwanted players failed upwards in January including "non league at best" Bogle.Chunes said:
Case and point - we play teams like Crewe or Swindon and expect to beat them because they're nothing teams. Yet the moment we're linked with players like Charlie Kirk, DJ, etc... Crewe and Swindon players... Suddenly those players are exceptional. Then the perspective shifts.Braziliance said:With the whole squad thing why is it such a common opinion that we have the squad for play offs, also why play offs. What if we lose in the play offs, what's the difference between that and 7th?
The top6 in this league are probably Lincoln, Hull, Doncaster, Peterborough, Portsmouth and Sunderland. That's probably going to be the top6 till the end now. Outside chance of us Oxford or Accrington getting involved. Now have a look through their squads and tell me who starts in those teams in our current squad. Also when this season is over and we lose almost every single player yet again I will be surprised if any of them end up at high league 1 clubs, maybe Chuks.
Our squad isn't good. Not bad but certainly not good
Rochdale had a guy, that ripped us a new one, that's since signed for Man City. Smaller clubs will always have 1 or 2 players as good, if not better, as the bigger clubs (it's less common at the highest level though). It happened to us at the start of the championship season when Taylor, Williams, Gallagher or even Pratley were the stand out players on the pitch.
Someone like Watson might either retire or play non league so he doesn't have to move house again. Location is important, especially for the older players, as where ever they go it won't be a life changing amount of money. But I don't expect any of our current players signing for lower end league 1 clubs. I suspect some people maybe supprised how many we end up keeping and who ends up in the championship.0 -
Paul Cook probably going elsewhere (not that it looks like Bowyer is off yet)
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I suppose if you lose something it is always possible to find it again. Bowyer certainly had something to lose. To have a chance of finding it, he will certainly have to look at himself in the mirror rather than blame everybody else.0
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Indeed, AUN.AddickUpNorth said:It seems LB is here for a little longer which to some, given the majority of performances/managerial decisions this season have been bewildering, is baffling but in the words of a once great man.......
’It is what it is’.
And may I be the first to say " Content de te revoir, mon ami. C'est comme ca".0 -
That might explain why Lambert hasn't been sacked, the current owners don't want to make the change when a takeover is imminentMattF said:Paul Cook probably going elsewhere (not that it looks like Bowyer is off yet)
It also shows that Cook is happy to take a L1 job...0 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:
Indeed, AUN.AddickUpNorth said:It seems LB is here for a little longer which to some, given the majority of performances/managerial decisions this season have been bewildering, is baffling but in the words of a once great man.......
’It is what it is’.
And may I be the first to say " Content de te revoir, mon ami. C'est comme ca".
Je ne parle pas francais.0 -
Please translate as I do not speak French.AddickUpNorth said:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Indeed, AUN.AddickUpNorth said:It seems LB is here for a little longer which to some, given the majority of performances/managerial decisions this season have been bewildering, is baffling but in the words of a once great man.......
’It is what it is’.
And may I be the first to say " Content de te revoir, mon ami. C'est comme ca".
Je ne parle pas francais.6 -
" Welcome back, my friend. It is what it is ".AddickUpNorth said:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Indeed, AUN.AddickUpNorth said:It seems LB is here for a little longer which to some, given the majority of performances/managerial decisions this season have been bewildering, is baffling but in the words of a once great man.......
’It is what it is’.
And may I be the first to say " Content de te revoir, mon ami. C'est comme ca".
Je ne parle pas francais.
Mange tout, Rodders :-)6 -
League One looking like it might be a fair bit stronger next season.MattF said:Paul Cook probably going elsewhere (not that it looks like Bowyer is off yet)2
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