In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
To be fair when we signed Gunter, how many people thought it was a poor signing?
He'd just turned 31 (so not exactly old), had spent his entire career in the top 2 divisions and had played almost 100 times for Wales. He should've been pissing this league.
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
To be fair when we signed Gunter, how many people thought it was a poor signing?
He'd just turned 31 (so not exactly old), had spent his entire career in the top 2 divisions and had played almost 100 times for Wales. He should've been pissing this league.
that's what makes him for me such a disappointment
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
To be fair when we signed Gunter, how many people thought it was a poor signing?
He'd just turned 31 (so not exactly old), had spent his entire career in the top 2 divisions and had played almost 100 times for Wales. He should've been pissing this league.
Agreed. I thought it was a great signing at the time and even more so when a week later (might have been longer than that) we also signed Matthews. That position should have been one of our strongest this season.
james beadle is third choice keeper in first team squad now at charlton, another sidcup boy and he's 16 - we need to build a hungry team of talented youngsters who can move up through the divisions together
What has happened to Nathan Harness the previous 3rd choice keeper, I heard he was meant to be very good?
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
To be fair when we signed Gunter, how many people thought it was a poor signing?
He'd just turned 31 (so not exactly old), had spent his entire career in the top 2 divisions and had played almost 100 times for Wales. He should've been pissing this league.
I think that’s the problem - he was at least partially signed based on his name and career. How much was based on him watching him over the last year or two?
He was a squad player at Reading playing 20 or so games a season, he’d have been a player doing a job in a decent lower half Championship team.
Putting in 7/8 out of 10 performances in every week in a side going for promotion is very different, he has to offer something on the ball and going forward more than he did in the Championship.
james beadle is third choice keeper in first team squad now at charlton, another sidcup boy and he's 16 - we need to build a hungry team of talented youngsters who can move up through the divisions together
james beadle is third choice keeper in first team squad now at charlton, another sidcup boy and he's 16 - we need to build a hungry team of talented youngsters who can move up through the divisions together
What has happened to Nathan Harness the previous 3rd choice keeper, I heard he was meant to be very good?
Harness is a very good keeper, as is Maynard-Brewer, i would be very happy to see either keeper in the the first team next season. James Beadle must be much lower in the pecking order as Harvey & Osaghae have both made under 23 appearances this season.
james beadle is third choice keeper in first team squad now at charlton, another sidcup boy and he's 16 - we need to build a hungry team of talented youngsters who can move up through the divisions together
james beadle is third choice keeper in first team squad now at charlton, another sidcup boy and he's 16 - we need to build a hungry team of talented youngsters who can move up through the divisions together
What has happened to Nathan Harness the previous 3rd choice keeper, I heard he was meant to be very good?
Harness is a very good keeper, as is Maynard-Brewer, i would be very happy to see either keeper in the the first team next season. James Beadle must be much lower in the pecking order as Harvey & Osaghae have both made under 23 appearances this season.
We have several u23 keepers so I wonder if one or two are being released. If so that could explain Beadle moving up the pecking order. Alternatively maybe we’re keeping some of them but expect to loan them out.
How many of those signings looked poor on paper ? I’d argue only Bogle - with no pedigree of scoring goals whatsoever. We were no doubt bargain shopping but even then , I’m convinced we’d have been top 2 if one of Innis and Famewo had played through mid season, whoever was manager.
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
Watson not in 2 year deal .. it was one year with an option of another year .... think we should keep Watson and release Pratley
Watson is here to pick up a pension and be close to his family. His displays bar 2 or 3 this season show he has zero football ambition. He’s a woeful example of what we need the culture of the squad to be.
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
Indeed the biggest disappointments have been the "big fish" players that we'd been after for a while, the likes of Gunter, Watson and Maddison. They weren't last minute signings (like Bogle) where we were scrabbling for bodies, but rather players we'd targeted for a long time - Watson waited all summer for us, while we had wanted Gunter and Maddison last season
In hindsight offering Gunter and Watson 2 year deals to take out a large chunk of the wage cap budget was a poor decision.
Watson not in 2 year deal .. it was one year with an option of another year .... think we should keep Watson and release Pratley
Watson is here to pick up a pension and be close to his family. His displays bar 2 or 3 this season show he has zero football ambition. He’s a woeful example of what we need the culture of the squad to be.
Gotta feel for Gallen, been an almost impossible job since he got here. Hurdle after hurdle and yet he has still signed some very good players. Like every scout, he's signed some shite, but that happens at every club let alone under the conditions he's faced. That being said, like Bowyer to some extent in managing the players there was a lot of goodwill and excuses made for the failures. This is his first chance you would feel to really operate with a proper budget and no restraints. That does bring expectation, time to prove his worth.
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a four man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
Think the manager has to say what players he wants. If Gallen comes up with someone its then down to negotiating the deal, if the player wants too much for our budget then it's the chairmans/owners decision.
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a four man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
No Henners, it is :
Roddy Adkins Gallen Sandgaard
The clues are all there we are going from Rags to Riches
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a five man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard Ackworth
Or GRAS for short
And all five have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are five heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
No Henners, it is :
Roddy Adkins Gallen Sandgaard Ackworth
The clues are all there we are going from Rags to Riches
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a four man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
Gallen finds the players
Adkins Roddy Sandgaard
Then have to approve them. With his long experience of U23 football I think Jason Euell should be consulted too, to create the ARSE committee
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
Where has he said this? That's disturbing.
Disturbing? What about the context...
Why did he say no?
Perhaps the transfer fee or wage demands didn’t seem good value?
Or maybe had another very similar option (DJ or Stockley for example) and went for him instead?
Did he overrule Bowyer, Gallen and Roddy? Or did any of them agree with the decision?
If it has turned out to be a mistake has he learnt from it?
We’ve been under a salary cap under both windows since TS bought the club and made the most of it, so it seems likely it was a decision that resulted in us signing someone else over the player he said no to.
We’ve seen enough to know he’s completely different from RD, we haven’t had a stream of budget players coming over from Denmark and his contacts.
What we haven’t yet seen is how serious he is in the transfer market with plenty of time to plan and no restrictions - that’ll become clear over the next two months.
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
Where has he said this? That's disturbing.
Disturbing? What about the context...
Why did he say no?
Perhaps the transfer fee or wage demands didn’t seem good value?
Or maybe had another very similar option (DJ or Stockley for example) and went for him instead?
Did he overrule Bowyer, Gallen and Roddy? Or did any of them agree with the decision?
If it has turned out to be a mistake has he learnt from it?
We’ve been under a salary cap under both windows since TS bought the club and made the most of it, so it seems likely it was a decision that resulted in us signing someone else over the player he said no to.
We’ve seen enough to know he’s completely different from RD, we haven’t had a stream of budget players coming over from Denmark and his contacts.
What we haven’t yet seen is how serious he is in the transfer market with plenty of time to plan and no restrictions - that’ll become clear over the next two months.
When he said it I took it to mean he said no to a player we were looking at for this summer, not in the last window.
"Recruitment
TS is building much better recruitment systems based more on information and metrics and more independent of agents.
There is now a team of four consisting of Steve Gallen, Ged Roddy, Nigel Adkins and Thomas Sandgaard.
Who gets the final say? "There are four people involved now, Steve, Ged, Nigel and me" "I'm very involved, I have looked at videos and stats and I've turned people down. We need all four people to agree to a deal." "But Steve Gallen is one of the best negotiators I have met in my life, he's key to getting players and getting good prices when we sell players."
Other people on here were at the meeting so maybe they took it differently
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a four man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
Gallen finds the players
Adkins Roddy Sandgaard
Then have to approve them. With his long experience of U23 football I think Jason Euell should be consulted too, to create the ARSE committee
The impression I get is that Gallen is a "contacts and contracts" type of guy.
He seems to have good contacts at clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal and seems to get good info on players clubs are prepared to release, and even pay off. Williams, JFC, Page and Inniss wouldn't have signed if their former clubs hadn't "helped" us out.
What we don't have, at the moment, is anyone that has been involved else where in league 1 for the last few years. One of the big advantages Powell had was that he had played against, or with, a lot of the players he signed. At worst he had managed against them in the previous 6 months.
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
Where has he said this? That's disturbing.
Disturbing? What about the context...
Why did he say no?
Perhaps the transfer fee or wage demands didn’t seem good value?
Or maybe had another very similar option (DJ or Stockley for example) and went for him instead?
Did he overrule Bowyer, Gallen and Roddy? Or did any of them agree with the decision?
If it has turned out to be a mistake has he learnt from it?
We’ve been under a salary cap under both windows since TS bought the club and made the most of it, so it seems likely it was a decision that resulted in us signing someone else over the player he said no to.
We’ve seen enough to know he’s completely different from RD, we haven’t had a stream of budget players coming over from Denmark and his contacts.
What we haven’t yet seen is how serious he is in the transfer market with plenty of time to plan and no restrictions - that’ll become clear over the next two months.
I assumed the context Henners gave in his post, around him watching videos... If he's doing that and turning players down based on his assessment of their skill level, I find that worrying.
As CL's self-appointed number one Driesen despiser, I can honestly say that Tommy D was more qualified for that job than Tommy S.
We keep talking as if it’s Gallen alone but I’m confident that Nigel Adkins will have very much his own ideas and list.
We know there is now a four man recruitment team. Gallen
Roddy
Adkins Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
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He'd just turned 31 (so not exactly old), had spent his entire career in the top 2 divisions and had played almost 100 times for Wales. He should've been pissing this league.
He was a squad player at Reading playing 20 or so games a season, he’d have been a player doing a job in a decent lower half Championship team.
Putting in 7/8 out of 10 performances in every week in a side going for promotion is very different, he has to offer something on the ball and going forward more than he did in the Championship.
James Beadle must be much lower in the pecking order as Harvey & Osaghae have both made under 23 appearances this season.
No effort, no passion, no interest, no thank you.
Get rid.
Gallen
Sandgaard
Or GRAS for short
And all four have to agree on a player and that includes Sandgaard who is doing more than just signing the cheques. He said he's watching videos and has said no about at least one player.
So are four heads better than one or do many cooks spoil the broth?
Does it make a difference that they will have a bigger budget, months to prepare and a long term plan based on playing a certain way.
But we know they have already been looking at players and had lists for either division at least a month ago.
Roddy
Adkins
Gallen
Sandgaard
we are going from Rags to Riches
ESL 2 has got our name on it.
Tommy’s taking us from ESI rags to ESL riches
Adkins
Roddy
Sandgaard
Then have to approve them. With his long experience of U23 football I think Jason Euell should be consulted too, to create the ARSE committee
Why did he say no?
Perhaps the transfer fee or wage demands didn’t seem good value?
Or maybe had another very similar option (DJ or Stockley for example) and went for him instead?
Did he overrule Bowyer, Gallen and Roddy? Or did any of them agree with the decision?
If it has turned out to be a mistake has he learnt from it?
We’ve been under a salary cap under both windows since TS bought the club and made the most of it, so it seems likely it was a decision that resulted in us signing someone else over the player he said no to.
We’ve seen enough to know he’s completely different from RD, we haven’t had a stream of budget players coming over from Denmark and his contacts.
What we haven’t yet seen is how serious he is in the transfer market with plenty of time to plan and no restrictions - that’ll become clear over the next two months.
"Recruitment
TS is building much better recruitment systems based more on information and metrics and more independent of agents.
There is now a team of four consisting of Steve Gallen, Ged Roddy, Nigel Adkins and Thomas Sandgaard.
Who gets the final say? "There are four people involved now, Steve, Ged, Nigel and me" "I'm very involved, I have looked at videos and stats and I've turned people down. We need all four people to agree to a deal." "But Steve Gallen is one of the best negotiators I have met in my life, he's key to getting players and getting good prices when we sell players."
Other people on here were at the meeting so maybe they took it differently
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4287855#Comment_4287855
Steve
Thomas
Adkins
Roddy
and you have the Star Chamber
He seems to have good contacts at clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal and seems to get good info on players clubs are prepared to release, and even pay off. Williams, JFC, Page and Inniss wouldn't have signed if their former clubs hadn't "helped" us out.
What we don't have, at the moment, is anyone that has been involved else where in league 1 for the last few years. One of the big advantages Powell had was that he had played against, or with, a lot of the players he signed. At worst he had managed against them in the previous 6 months.
As CL's self-appointed number one Driesen despiser, I can honestly say that Tommy D was more qualified for that job than Tommy S.