[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]how can you liken him to Joey Barton who has proved himself at the top level??? ridiculous.
I didnt mean ability wise obviously even though he did make over 100 appearances for Chelsea at the top level.
Joey Barton could have easily been thrown out at Man City on numerous occasions but they stood by him and tried to help him out, i don't think Chelsea did and it has affected him ever since.
yes i am playing devils advocate but i truly do think its harsh to write someone off completely.
Is he good enough and will he make our team a genuine title/promotion contender and do I want someone like him at the club?
I haven't seen him play much recently, at Chelsea he was "promising" without ever fulfilling the promise, playing in a good side made him look better than he really was and off the pitch I see him not as a Joey Barton, but a Franny Jeffers. Someone who wasn't prepared to work hard in training and be patient to take his opportunities when they came and instead he was someone who has some ability but quite liked the well remunerated lifestyle of a professional footballer. Consequently if he signed for Charlton we might see a few good games from him initially and lots of "he's matured" type posts, but by the end of the season I think we'll be rueing his signature.
the problem you get when you take on someone on yet another of their 'last chances', is that when they screw up, which they always do, its nigh on impossible to get rid of them. Marcus Bent is probably the most detested player our club has ever had, supporters, management and executives want him out, yet there is not one single club willing to take him and we're stuck.
Morris has showed flashes of ability throughout his career, but just that, flashes. He has never been able to do it consistently at any level, and is allegedly a pisshead that finds it impossible to stay out of trouble for longer than a blink of an eyelid.
Pardew from the start had the opinion that we are too nice as a club, and seems to be doing everything possible to create the opposite. He was maybe right to a certain extent, but i don't want to see the whole fabric of the club changed to the extent it seems like he wants to achieve.
If i wanted to support a nasty club filled with people that others detest, i would of supported Millwall.
Leopards don't change their spots. For all the help and chances they gave him, Joey Barton still got run out of Man City in the end, and Ben Thatcher lost his head at Blackburn. My worry would be the influence on the rest of the squad and on morale - we could do without a bunch of lazy, violent p*ss heads, and there's more chance of the good guys eg Holland and Chrissy, controlling those tendencies wihin the squad if there's not a ringleader.
Morris could potentially be a good signing. He's not gonna cost alot in wages and he's available on a free. If we were offered Woodgate, how many people would say no cos he's a convicted racist?
Definitely worth a punt, even if he's only a squad player and back up.
All this talk of coming from a mid table League one club, so did Varney. Don't see people using that stick to beat him.
[cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]All this talk of coming from a mid table League one club, so did Varney. Don't see people using that stick to beat him.
but Varney has done well at his league one mid table club, Morris is a muppet intent on being a jeffers clone!
[quote][cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Morris could potentially be a good signing. He's not gonna cost alot in wages and he's available on a free. If we were offered Woodgate, how many people would say no cos he's a convicted racist?
Definitely worth a punt, even if he's only a squad player and back up.
All this talk of coming from a mid table League one club, so did Varney. Don't see people using that stick to beat him.[/quote]
Varney looks a good lad, he works hard and appears to be relishing the opportunity having come into the pro-game late and is on the up, Morris has played at Chelsea and was released, then Leeds and was released and finally Millwall and was released. His career is going in the other direction to Varney's.
And the difference is that Woodgate (or Bowyer, with whom we've been linked with in the past) is that he can cut it on the pitch, I doubt whether Morris would be anything other than a squad player, content to collect £5k a week or whatever and then piss it away.
[cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]He started 1 game for Millwall last year, and a sub just 3 times..........
Reading his wikipedia page he had a cruciate ligament injury at the end of 2005/6 season and presumably that is why he played so little, but given that he was out of contract and presumably cheap it doesn't say much that Millwall were prepared to sign him.
I still think (hope) that he's only training at Eltham until he finds a club elsewhere.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite][cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Morris could potentially be a good signing. He's not gonna cost alot in wages and he's available on a free. If we were offered Woodgate, how many people would say no cos he's a convicted racist?
And the difference is that Woodgate (or Bowyer, with whom we've been linked with in the past) is that he can cut it on the pitch, I doubt whether Morris would be anything other than a squad player, content to collect £5k a week or whatever and then piss it away.
Squad player, content to collect £5k a week or whatever and then piss it away?
We could have kept the Charlton Women's team going for less than that...... *ducks for cover*
for me all that matters is we have to back pardew.
if he thinks that morris fits in with his plans and will move the squad to being nearer what he wishes it to be (hopefully short term in morris's case) then so be it.
lots of modern day footballers come with 'baggage', although agreed some more than most.
it's what they do on the pitch that i'm intrested in.
if we ummed and aarghed over other players off field antics we may not have signed or may have got rid of a lot of other players such as;
lee bowyer - no explanation needed
peter shirtliff - anyone remember the wife beating story
sir clive - spent his afternoons (and a fair % of his wages) in the bookies
eddie youds - ditto
darren bent - shot a 12 year old kid
all above i consider performed brilliantly for charlton on the pitch, yet each has a reason to not sign or get shot.
as for marcus bent, if he bangs in 20 goals next year i couldn't care whether he is shagging dannielle lloyd or harold lloyd.
Surely the key to answerring this question is in the words "if Pardew wanted him".
If he saw enough to think he would add something to the squad then the answer's got to be "yes". Or are people seriously suggesting that all potential new signings should pass some sort of personality/morality test before we go for them?
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If, and it's a big if he comes in, and puts in 110% every game, chips in with a few goals what will the no's think then?
I liken him to Joey Barton to be honest.
Joey Barton could have easily been thrown out at Man City on numerous occasions but they stood by him and tried to help him out, i don't think Chelsea did and it has affected him ever since.
yes i am playing devils advocate but i truly do think its harsh to write someone off completely.
However, he got bombed out at Millwall, FFS, surely he cant be good enough for us.
A resounding no from me, dont care what Pards thinks of him, I know better :)
Is he good enough and will he make our team a genuine title/promotion contender and do I want someone like him at the club?
I haven't seen him play much recently, at Chelsea he was "promising" without ever fulfilling the promise, playing in a good side made him look better than he really was and off the pitch I see him not as a Joey Barton, but a Franny Jeffers. Someone who wasn't prepared to work hard in training and be patient to take his opportunities when they came and instead he was someone who has some ability but quite liked the well remunerated lifestyle of a professional footballer. Consequently if he signed for Charlton we might see a few good games from him initially and lots of "he's matured" type posts, but by the end of the season I think we'll be rueing his signature.
Morris has showed flashes of ability throughout his career, but just that, flashes. He has never been able to do it consistently at any level, and is allegedly a pisshead that finds it impossible to stay out of trouble for longer than a blink of an eyelid.
Pardew from the start had the opinion that we are too nice as a club, and seems to be doing everything possible to create the opposite. He was maybe right to a certain extent, but i don't want to see the whole fabric of the club changed to the extent it seems like he wants to achieve.
If i wanted to support a nasty club filled with people that others detest, i would of supported Millwall.
Let the guy's past stay where it is - in the past, it's what he does in our red/black/denim&seahawkblue shirt that matters.
Definitely worth a punt, even if he's only a squad player and back up.
All this talk of coming from a mid table League one club, so did Varney. Don't see people using that stick to beat him.
i'm going for a lie down
but Varney has done well at his league one mid table club, Morris is a muppet intent on being a jeffers clone!
Dont want him, dont need him.
Woodgate, is a quality player man, morris isnt!
why did leeds cancel his contract? could they not afford him or had he fallen out with his drinking buddy?
Definitely worth a punt, even if he's only a squad player and back up.
All this talk of coming from a mid table League one club, so did Varney. Don't see people using that stick to beat him.[/quote]
Varney looks a good lad, he works hard and appears to be relishing the opportunity having come into the pro-game late and is on the up, Morris has played at Chelsea and was released, then Leeds and was released and finally Millwall and was released. His career is going in the other direction to Varney's.
And the difference is that Woodgate (or Bowyer, with whom we've been linked with in the past) is that he can cut it on the pitch, I doubt whether Morris would be anything other than a squad player, content to collect £5k a week or whatever and then piss it away.
Reading his wikipedia page he had a cruciate ligament injury at the end of 2005/6 season and presumably that is why he played so little, but given that he was out of contract and presumably cheap it doesn't say much that Millwall were prepared to sign him.
I still think (hope) that he's only training at Eltham until he finds a club elsewhere.
make you right here bfr
Squad player, content to collect £5k a week or whatever and then piss it away?
We could have kept the Charlton Women's team going for less than that...... *ducks for cover*
Now it appears the prospect of signing this idiot is looking more of a reality.
I agree with you entirely BTW.
if he thinks that morris fits in with his plans and will move the squad to being nearer what he wishes it to be (hopefully short term in morris's case) then so be it.
lots of modern day footballers come with 'baggage', although agreed some more than most.
it's what they do on the pitch that i'm intrested in.
if we ummed and aarghed over other players off field antics we may not have signed or may have got rid of a lot of other players such as;
lee bowyer - no explanation needed
peter shirtliff - anyone remember the wife beating story
sir clive - spent his afternoons (and a fair % of his wages) in the bookies
eddie youds - ditto
darren bent - shot a 12 year old kid
all above i consider performed brilliantly for charlton on the pitch, yet each has a reason to not sign or get shot.
as for marcus bent, if he bangs in 20 goals next year i couldn't care whether he is shagging dannielle lloyd or harold lloyd.
he buried a few in his time.
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If he saw enough to think he would add something to the squad then the answer's got to be "yes". Or are people seriously suggesting that all potential new signings should pass some sort of personality/morality test before we go for them?
Being released by Millwall after playing only a handful of games last year suggests it could well be downhill all the way after that.
One way or another, trouble seems to follow him around wherever he goes - maybe he's just very unlucky, or more likely he's not.