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Charlton v Stoke | Sat 10 Aug 2019 | 3pm KO | POST-MATCH THREAD
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Can I just say that the corner was practised at Sparrows lane with Gallagher arriving late after the flick by Taylor at near post from an under hit corner by Cullen. This was devised by Jackson and Andy Marshall.
The Goal by Aneke was worked at Sparrows lane with Cullen charging into the box hitting the edge of the six yard box where the wee masetro Williams swings early and the ball hits his standing leg and goes backwards with the defenders totally confused. This was devised by Paul McKenna.
Would I lie to you ?
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Bowyer said it was one of JJ's routines and a carbon copy of something they tried in training.JamesSeed said:
I’m sure I’m about to be embarrassed here: what is POMO?Cafc43v3r said:A couple of points, after re watching the brief highlights again.
For Taylor's goal, I think it was Gallagher that was the only player alive to the fact Butland might palm it out, he was in POMO no one went with him.
Philips didn't move for either Hogan's shot that hit the bar, nor Gregory's skyer. The later is a bit harsh. But it's worrying all the same.
Our 2nd we had 4 players in the box, plus Pratley arriving for a cross from open play. That's good to see at 1-1 in what was then a tight game.
For our 3rd Gallagher starts from so deep no one was marking him, brilliant from Jacko and Marsh as it wasn't actually that well executed, Cullen under hits it and Lyle has to work harder than he should to flick it.
Also, on the players marks thread, it seems you sometimes get last minute marks coming in that seem way off the rough consensus that’s built up during the days since the match.
Don’t agree at all about the corner btw, I thought it was perfect. Taylor had to move from his normal spot in front of the keeper to get in front of the two defenders who were between him and Cullen, despite efforts by both to prevent him from doing so.
Cullen hit the corner at just the right speed for Taylor to get in front of the second of them in time to direct the ball into the open space in the penalty area for Gallagher’s late run. If Cullen had hit it any harder it would have been more difficult to set it up so perfectly. Seemed that way to me, at least.1 -
I can't believe people are even questioning it based on his body position. It is like Kermogant's goal against Hartlepool. It is what class players can do.killerandflash said:
He's definitely not trying to score, to me that looks like a deliberate pass to Chuks, especially the way he immediately moves away from goal to not block the shotJamesSeed said:
Williams gets the assist whether he meant it or not.Oggy Red said:
Totally. Look at the way Williams moves in front of his marker to be first to the ball.Karim_myBagheri said:
you know what. i think williams meant that flick. classUboat said:Plus Chuks:
I'd give the assist to Williams.
If he did mean it he’s a genius.1 -
Haha absolutely no way did Williams mean that2
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Watch Williams celebrate the goal.....absolute fluke!MuttleyCAFC said:
I can't believe people are even questioning it based on his body position. It is like Kermogant's goal against Hartlepool. It is what class players can do.killerandflash said:
He's definitely not trying to score, to me that looks like a deliberate pass to Chuks, especially the way he immediately moves away from goal to not block the shotJamesSeed said:
Williams gets the assist whether he meant it or not.Oggy Red said:
Totally. Look at the way Williams moves in front of his marker to be first to the ball.Karim_myBagheri said:
you know what. i think williams meant that flick. classUboat said:Plus Chuks:
I'd give the assist to Williams.
If he did mean it he’s a genius.0 -
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Then shouldn’t ours be around the half-a-million mark or even less? Nearly everyone is a youth product, loaner, or freebie. Bonne and maybe Purrington commanded a fee, who else? My watchword is, if it’s in The Sun, it must be a porky.JamesSeed said:
I think it’s based on what clubs actually paid for players.AddicksAddict said:
And totally fictitious. Taylor's worth around £5m - £6m, so the rest, including two loanees from the Premier League, are worth pretty much nothing?JamesSeed said:
Thats one hell of a stat.0 -
Looking at that it looks deliberate.Greenie said:
Watch Williams celebrate the goal.....absolute fluke!MuttleyCAFC said:
I can't believe people are even questioning it based on his body position. It is like Kermogant's goal against Hartlepool. It is what class players can do.killerandflash said:
He's definitely not trying to score, to me that looks like a deliberate pass to Chuks, especially the way he immediately moves away from goal to not block the shotJamesSeed said:
Williams gets the assist whether he meant it or not.Oggy Red said:
Totally. Look at the way Williams moves in front of his marker to be first to the ball.Karim_myBagheri said:
you know what. i think williams meant that flick. classUboat said:Plus Chuks:
I'd give the assist to Williams.
If he did mean it he’s a genius.1 -
Part of me thinks it deliberate but then the way he jumps it looks like he was trying to do the flick that Josh Parker tried towards the end of the Play-Off Final
i.e. Unless he's simply trying to fool the defender, why come off the ground when simply passing back to Aneke0 -
He was trying Parker flick and it hit his standing leg rather than the flicking bootForeverAddickted said:Part of me thinks it deliberate but then the way he jumps it looks like he was trying to do the flick that Josh Parker tried towards the end of the Play-Off Final
i.e. Unless he's simply trying to fool the defender, why come off the ground when simply passing back to Aneke7 -
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I think the evidence Williams meant it is in his movement straight after the pass/flick.
I say it was a deliberate tee up.4 -
I did my own VAR and watched it 5 times, stopping and pauses to be 100% certain.oohaahmortimer said:
He was trying Parker flick and it hit his standing leg rather than the flicking bootForeverAddickted said:Part of me thinks it deliberate but then the way he jumps it looks like he was trying to do the flick that Josh Parker tried towards the end of the Play-Off Final
i.e. Unless he's simply trying to fool the defender, why come off the ground when simply passing back to Aneke
The above Statement by the right honourable oohaahmortimer is correct.
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Looks like he meant it to me, his eyes were following the ball the second it left his foot. If it was a fluke he wouldn't have known where it had gone straightaway.4
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This absolutely, was very similar to Parker’s at Wembley. Zero chance he meant it, can’t even see how people think otherwise.oohaahmortimer said:
He was trying Parker flick and it hit his standing leg rather than the flicking bootForeverAddickted said:Part of me thinks it deliberate but then the way he jumps it looks like he was trying to do the flick that Josh Parker tried towards the end of the Play-Off Final
i.e. Unless he's simply trying to fool the defender, why come off the ground when simply passing back to Aneke0 -
Definetly meant it. a) When was the last time you see Williams have a shot a goal? Always lays it on for others. b) As soon as he kicks it he is looking towards Aneke and not looking towards the goal? As for the celebration with him and his leg I think he was pointing out "here lads that was magical leg that set that goald up don't forget to thank me". When seeing it live I felt it was set up.1
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Absolutely no way in meant it, i'm still not convinced Yann meant his goal against Hartlepool...3
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If he meant it he wouldn’t have used his right leg, he would have just touched it backwards with his left. Nobody would ever try and dummy with their left, living it to hit them and roll back to their teammate. Maybe if you were showing off in a pre season friendly, but not at 1-1 in a league game.1
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fuck me whether he meant it or not we just beat an established championship stoke 3-12
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If he said he meant it, he meant it.0
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We won, they lost Williams was in a great position to miss his kick... Aneke scored. Nothing else matters.2
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He moves away to draw defenders and make space for the shot he knew would be coming in. An attempted shot and he would have been stationary wondering where the ball went.seth plum said:I think the evidence Williams meant it is in his movement straight after the pass/flick.
I say it was a deliberate tee up.2 -
That's something that in my heart of heart of hearts I know he didn't mean - but also, no screw u he totally meant it!!cafcsinger said:Absolutely no way in meant it, i'm still not convinced Yann meant his goal against Hartlepool...
(Jonny on the other hand meant what he did, but the execution was pretty much the total opposite of how he wanted it to go. Still, the end justified the means)1 -
How DARE you doubt Yann! His goal from oblique angle was far superior to the more famous strike by Marco van Basten...cafcsinger said:Absolutely no way in meant it, i'm still not convinced Yann meant his goal against Hartlepool...1 -
Every goal we ever scored we meant, even the ones we didn't. So that should be the end of it. If they say they meant it, they meant it!0
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It was, but it was still meant to be a cross.Viewfinder said:
How DARE you doubt Yann! His goal from oblique angle was far superior to the more famous strike by Marco van Basten...cafcsinger said:Absolutely no way in meant it, i'm still not convinced Yann meant his goal against Hartlepool...0 -
This 'did Jonny mean it debate' is a nice place to be.1
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I'd be surprised if Williams would pass there and not shoot.Great finish from Chuks though. He has loads of time and space, but still lots to do and he really pings it into the corner. Great technique and composure - we've had many a striker who'd have gone to pieces with time to think like that. Goals and assists for our attacking players early in the season is a real bonus and as it sets them of on a confident footing.0
